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News Credits: 5 · by **REMINATOR** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:14 pm

Deathsanras wrote:Umm.... all these photos are 6 months old.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... os-180411/
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... st11188869
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%BF%E3%82 ... gy_t_img_z

I know man. I was very excited by Seibertron News which read, Additional Images on MP22, but only to be disappointed when I clicked on the link and saw some old ancient images of MP22 from Amazon Japan website. Here, I was hoping to see the MP22 Box Image pics or the newer blue lower leg.

News Credits: 409 · by **Stormrider** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:12 pm

The red bumper and red trailer bed still bugs me. This may be the first Masterpiece that I pass. There is too much that I don't like. Perhaps the reviews will change my mind.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:22 pm

Stormrider wrote:The red bumper and red trailer bed still bugs me. This may be the first Masterpiece that I pass. There is too much that I don't like. Perhaps the reviews will change my mind.

It's anime accurate Stormrider. Check the season 3 pics. If not for sabrblade's pics, I would not have noticed his red bumper.

by **Ultra Markus** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:54 pm

too bad masterpiece hotrod couldnt fit in the trailer :-?

by **VioMeTriX** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:45 pm

this is the first masterpiece I am not buying. nothing about him screams mastepiece

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:36 pm

VioMeTriX wrote:this is the first masterpiece I am not buying. nothing about him screams mastepiece

UM does not impress you?

by **Rated X** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:43 pm

fenrir72 wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Delta Magnus wrote:
Rated X wrote:Looks great.

On a seperate note its not too late for KFC to melt down all those citizen stacks figures that never sold into toothbrushes.

You really have it in for Citizen Stack, don't you?

Besides KFCs bad timing for an MP Magnus, it just puzzles me how takara could make it scale properly with MP-10 in both modes but KFC couldnt. Takara flat out made the KFC designers look lazy.

Wasn't mass shifting developed by Takara?

I would be more inclined to believe the concept of "mass shifting" was created by the animators from Sunbow Productions in the G1 cartoon. The toys didn't have to justify the change in size because they were toys. The cartoons did because they had to be drawn side by side with humans in both modes.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:40 pm

Rated X wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Rated X wrote:
Delta Magnus wrote:
Rated X wrote:Looks great.

On a seperate note its not too late for KFC to melt down all those citizen stacks figures that never sold into toothbrushes.

You really have it in for Citizen Stack, don't you?

Besides KFCs bad timing for an MP Magnus, it just puzzles me how takara could make it scale properly with MP-10 in both modes but KFC couldnt. Takara flat out made the KFC designers look lazy.

Wasn't mass shifting developed by Takara?

I would be more inclined to believe the concept of "mass shifting" was created by the animators from Sunbow Productions in the G1 cartoon. The toys didn't have to justify the change in size because they were toys. The cartoons did because they had to be drawn side by side with humans in both modes.

That and as I previously mentioned.......Takara is a 1st party product. 1st party can do wonders over their actual original concept product over a 3rd party company. 1st party thread while KFC is 3rd party.

News Credits: 436 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:00 am

There is a very good reason why Citizen Stack is so wildly out of scale with MP-10.

It is because KFC used the following scale chart image for size reference when they made the figure:

HOWEVER, there's one little problem with this particular scale chart: It doesn't exist. Unlike the official one that Takara's been using for sizing the official MPs, the scale chart seen in the above image that KFC used for Citizen Stack is fanmade.

All who claim that it is official claim that it comes from the Transformers: The Ark book, which is the book that has the official scale chart that Takara uses. However, many people (including myself) own the book and have confirmed that the scale chart found within its pages contains no image of Ultra Magnus towering over Optimus/Rodimus/Grimlock as seen in the above image. The only chart to be found in the book that features Ultra Magnus and Optimus together is one that has Magnus only a head taller than Optimus:

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There is no way KFC could have gotten the scale chart in the first image above from this book without someone first editing it. Therefore, it has to be fanmade.

Now, as to why someone would go to the trouble of deliberately making their own scale chart to have Ultra Magnus be so ridiculously tall compared to how tall he is in the real scale chart is not known, nor does it even make much sense. I can only imagine that someone believed or wanted to make Ultra Magnus be bigger than he really is, and so made their own fake scale chart to justify their fantasies. It's far-fetched, but crazier things have happened.

All that said, though, the official MP-22 Ultra Magnus is still a bit taller than he ought to be, being a couple heads taller than MP-10 instead of only one head taller like in the official scale chart. But I guess Takara tried their best to match the scale chart as close as they could, but could only get so close without magically losing the existing mass of the vehicle mode in robot mode. At least it's not nearly as massively off in size as Citizen Stack is:

News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:20 pm

Well Transformers and scale have never exactly got along well- and considering most of the Season 3 episodes were animated by the notoriously shoddy AKOM (leading to some truly awful size changing) and the general disregard for the scale chart the animators had...yeah, I don't care. He looks good next to him anyway, and Ultra Magnus' size seems to be one of those things nobody can agree on (let's not forget that time he was able to pick up the constructicons in his hands like they were toys- which is hilarious considering they combine into a robot that at one point held Prime in his fist in a similar manner!).

He looks a good size to me anyway.

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:27 pm

I'm no engineer guys but based on this

and how the original power armor set up of the original UM was implemented, it is quite doubful to have designed him to be just a head tller than Optimus. What more if there was an actual core withe Optimus body within. He'd still end up bigger similar tothe upcoming SOC GaoGaiGar.

News Credits: 461 · by **mooncake623** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:36 pm

Takara Tomy's twitter account TF_pr just tweeted out some new comparison of Masterpiece Ultra Magnus images with Generation 1 Ultra Magnus! These images shows us comparison shots of both the alternate modes and robot modes. Due to released by the end of the Month, let us know will you be adding MP-22 to your collection?
Check out the images we've mirrored below and remember keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!

News Credits: 461 · by **mooncake623** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:44 pm

Sabrblade wrote:There is a very good reason why Citizen Stack is so wildly out of scale with MP-10.

It is because KFC used the following scale chart image for size reference when they made the figure:

HOWEVER, there's one little problem with this particular scale chart: It doesn't exist. Unlike the official one that Takara's been using for sizing the official MPs, the scale chart seen in the above image that KFC used for Citizen Stack is fanmade.

Actually KFC made Stacks that out of scale because they let the fans vote on if they want it to scale with MP-10 in bot mode or ALT mode. and the fans voted Alt mode...

News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:18 pm

mooncake623 wrote:Takara Tomy's twitter account TF_pr just tweeted out some new comparison of Masterpiece Ultra Magnus images with Generation 1 Ultra Magnus! These images shows us comparison shots of both the alternate modes and robot modes. Due to released by the end of the Month, let us know will you be adding MP-22 to your collection?
Check out the images we've mirrored below and remember keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!

Finally a back image. And yes, mine is in preorder from amiami.

News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:15 pm

Woot! Red car trailer bed, blue inside legs. :DANCE:

[Edit] And those pics make me realize how much I miss my G1 Magnus.... :-(

News Credits: 1 · by **durroth** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:24 pm

... I never noticed the buttflap in these pics until the shot from the back. It's really less conspicuous than I thought. It's impressive that despite said buttflap, he's still very light on kibble in robot mode. This is definitely a masterpiece figure if there ever was one. Also, the side profile shot... is the slightly bulky backpacking actually a JETPACK? I think I see thrusters o.o

News Credits: 376 · by **Bounti76** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:01 am

You know....seeing these pictures makes me glad I canceled my order for Magnus. The blue is too dark compared to the original toy and the cartoon, he's too chunky for my tastes. If I ever see him on sale somewhere.....maybe. But otherwise, he's all yours girls and boys.

by **Rated X** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:54 am

I'm not digging the fake wheels on his feet. Was that really necessary ? After 30 years they find ways to tuck in and hide the annoying vehicle kibble but choose instead to emulate 1986 toy technology with fake wheels.

by **Agent-539** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:09 am

Bounti76 wrote:You know....seeing these pictures makes me glad I canceled my order for Magnus. The blue is too dark compared to the original toy and the cartoon, he's too chunky for my tastes. If I ever see him on sale somewhere.....maybe. But otherwise, he's all yours girls and boys.

I'm actually digging the color and lives down the street from a true UM coloring scheme. But I'll gladly add you Ultra Magnus to my personal supply. If they did Marlboor, I can see this on up for a recolor.

News Credits: 372 · by **Cyberpath** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:11 am

Rated X wrote:I'm not digging the fake wheels on his feet. Was that really necessary ? After 30 years they find ways to tuck in and hide the annoying vehicle kibble but choose instead to emulate 1986 toy technology with fake wheels.

I like it. It's part of his cartoon model.

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News Credits: 60 · by **fenrir72** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:32 am

Now that's almost 100% accuracy.

by **Pot Bot** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:20 am

I actually think its a fantastic MP. I only own MP1 and Grimlock, but this would seriously make me consider buying my 3rd

News Credits: 4 · by **Tsutsukakushi** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:46 am

Buying this toy because it looks great and it's big

Could care less about scale or buying stand alone toys.

Think MP-22 and KFC Citizen are a lot closer in height than some speculate. Guess we'll now soon enough when fans buy the toy, take pics and do video reviews.

News Credits: 10 · by **Agamemnon** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:57 am

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Buying this toy because it looks great and it's big

Could care less about scale or buying stand alone toys.

Think MP-22 and KFC Citizen are a lot closer in height than some speculate. Guess we'll now soon enough when fans buy the toy, take pics and do video reviews.

Did you see the picture posted by Sabrblade?