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neliz wrote:I HATE that kind of guy... because they are the same kind of people that, when your country gets invaded, he runs to the Nazis to tell on the Jews, because for a Nazi, that is a decent thing to do.

This comparison... is really messed up.

Off topic for just a moment, there were people who defended the Jewish population from the Nazis. Read this article for example. So to quote you, the swing does go both ways. Let's not bring this any more off-topic.

Back on topic, I still defend Jin for being honest: it was the right thing to do.

Godwin's Law is invoked.

Perhaps it was the right thing to do, and I have done things like that myself where i Informed someone about their error in pricing, they went to fix the price but let me keep my purchase at the price that was shown.

In this case, it might've been the right thing, but then again we ordered it in good faith hoping it was some restock they needed to get rid of etc, and we're talking about conglomerates that aren't exactly known for doing the right thing. Amazon is one of the big name culprits of tax avoidance in the UK. So if you wonder why the uk government won't have enough money in its coffers to pay for its citizens' pensions...

Also, hastak aren't exactly guilty of doing the right thing - some prices seem way too steep especially for deluxes and masterpieces. The amount of packaging they use is disgusting too.

Oh and they need to apologise for transformers 2,3 and very likely 4 too. I think anyone who has invested their time and money into this hobby, would agree that though there is a right thing to do, we have been shortchanged many times and if there was a legitimate way for us to claw something back without hurting someone, then hey let's go for it.

Mindmaster wrote:Back on topic, I still defend Jin for being honest: it was the right thing to do.

First off, dude, my family knows everything about the war and the traitorous scum that walks the earth all happy to please the big and powerful overlord. And I surely wasn't the first one to bring up analogies of a sad store clerk.

Second of, by law (here in the Netherlands at least) a store has to honor it's advertized price even if it is in error. It is not unthinkable that the the price was wrong. I paid about $125 for my MP-4 (in Asia) and it is a vastly superior toy in size and quality (die cast, electronics etc.)

Amazon had a turnover of F***** $13B .. yes THIRTEEN BILLION DOLLARS In Q3 2012 and has an estimated turnover of $63B ....and there are people in the world preventing others to buy a toy at cost price? This is a professional company where people get rewarded handsomely even if they make mistakes.

F**** 63 BILLION DOLLARS!

Even the bible agrees with me:

If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? (NIV, 1 John 3:17)

Hellz I need that Masterpiece Prime!

neliz wrote:
Amazon had a turnover of F***** $13B .. yes THIRTEEN BILLION DOLLARS In Q3 2012 and has an estimated turnover of $63B ....and there are people in the world preventing others to buy a toy at cost price? This is a professional company where people get rewarded handsomely even if they make mistakes.

F**** 63 BILLION DOLLARS!

Not that I mean to disagree, but you are missing a very vital piece of info - Turnover is how much money they bring in a year, not how much profit they make.

There are been numerous reports made over the years of how Amazon is making pennies on the dollar for their sales. And it's all because they offer free shipping on all order over $25. Do they still make a boat load of money? Yes, because of the quantity of sales the do, but their profit margins are FAR slimmer than you probably think.

Oh lordy, I was able to invoke the Godwin law without even posting here? That's pretty crazy! First things first, the MP-10 listing didn't have a discount by it. I'm use to seeing amazing deals on amazon (like the $9 Marvel legends figures last week) but they've always stated the original price and the sale price. This one just had the one price for 33 pounds or something to that effect.

Before I go ordering something from another country, exchanging my currency for another, working out EMS/shipping fees etc, I am going to make damn sure I'm not wasting my time. I always adhere to "if something seems too good to be true then..." and it was exactly the case here.

Now, if you are in a PHYSICAL STORE, you took the time to drive there, spent time shopping, and picked up an item that rang up at a higher price when it was listed ON THE SHELF at a lower one, I'm all for the retail rule of thumb they give it to you at a lower price. But this was all from a computer and we didn't have any connection to the item. I've had Hasbro toy shop, BBTS, and ToysRUs cancel or change preorders because of price screw-ups. It's a common thing. They'll make you aware of the error and ask if you want to buy the product at the regular price. And IF they're feeling generous they'll honor the preorder price.

Suddenly I see forum after forum explode with rage over not getting a Masterpiece figure at an Ultra price. People are slinging words like 'thief' and 'scalper' freely about. Transformers fandom has become a madhouse of greed, entitlement, and manchild bitterness. That's not how we're suppose to act and I would hope someone other than me called Amazon to make them aware of their mistake. I can't be the only honest person in the entire Transformers fandom can I?

Jin Saotome wrote:Oh lordy, I was able to invoke the Godwin law without even posting here? That's pretty crazy! First things first, the MP-10 listing didn't have a discount by it. I'm use to seeing amazing deals on amazon (like the $9 Marvel legends figures last week) but they've always stated the original price and the sale price. This one just had the one price for 33 pounds or something to that effect.

Before I go ordering something from another country, exchanging my currency for another, working out EMS/shipping fees etc, I am going to make damn sure I'm not wasting my time. I always adhere to "if something seems too good to be true then..." and it was exactly the case here.

Now, if you are in a PHYSICAL STORE, you took the time to drive there, spent time shopping, and picked up an item that rang up at a higher price when it was listed ON THE SHELF at a lower one, I'm all for the retail rule of thumb they give it to you at a lower price. But this was all from a computer and we didn't have any connection to the item. I've had Hasbro toy shop, BBTS, and ToysRUs cancel or change preorders because of price screw-ups. It's a common thing. They'll make you aware of the error and ask if you want to buy the product at the regular price. And IF they're feeling generous they'll honor the preorder price.

Suddenly I see forum after forum explode with rage over not getting a Masterpiece figure at an Ultra price. People are slinging words like 'thief' and 'scalper' freely about. Transformers fandom has become a madhouse of greed, entitlement, and manchild bitterness. That's not how we're suppose to act and I would hope someone other than me called Amazon to make them aware of their mistake. I can't be the only honest person in the entire Transformers fandom can I?

This ^^

Thanks for being level-headed and, dare I say, "logical" yet again.

So, it turn out that Jin's "trolling" was just legetimate actions afterall.

How come I'm not surprised?

One thing is sure, if that price was real, NONE OF THE TRUE FANS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ANY. The scalpers would have taken them all and you would have to buy them off Ebay at 100-200$ anyway.

Also, may I remind everyone that it was a PREORDER?. That mean they are not even sure to have the item and the price may change without warning all the time.

Remember kids, when something is too good to be true, it usually is.

-Kanrabat- wrote:One thing is sure, if that price was real, NONE OF THE TRUE FANS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ANY.

There's no such thing as a "True Fan".

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:One thing is sure, if that price was real, NONE OF THE TRUE FANS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ANY.

There's no such thing as a "True Fan".

Well, that was obviously a figure of speech. What I mean is a "true" fan love the thing and collect as he wish. A scalper who dont give a flying squirrel about the fanchise but lots just to sell elswhere at way higher prices is not a "true" fan. He's a store owner or a rotten scalper.

I can bet my left nut that at 33£, it's not even close to the base cost of the thing. I mean, the price a store owner had to pay Hasbro. Add on top of that all the fees that go with managing a store of any kind and they might lose millions this way. The only purpose of a store is to make money, not to be a bro (as their add campaign may suggest).

The twit who made the listing really slept on his job.