This page contains affiliate links. We may earn commissions when readers interact with or purchase items through these links. For more information, see our affiliate disclosures here.

Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Discuss anything about the Transformers cartoons and comics! You can discuss anything from G1 to Cybertron as well as the comics from Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW and more!

Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby El Duque » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:10 pm

Motto: "I ain't got time to bleed!"
Weapon: Gattling Gun
Thanks to our friends at IDW Publishing we have the preview for next week's Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16. Be sure to pick up a copy at retail or download next Wednesday. Seibertron.com review will be posted Tuesday, stay tuned!

Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #16
James Roberts (w) • Alex Milne (a) • Milne, Nick Roche (c)
AFTERMATH! The battle for the Lost Light is over. As the survivors bury the dead, one Autobot begins a secret journey that will change everything. This special issue marks the beginning of “Remain in Light”—the game-changing finale to the first More Than Meets The Eye mega-story arc!
*2 regular covers will be shipped in a 1-to-1 ratio

FC • 32 pages • $3.99


*Variant Covers:
Marcelo Matere variant cover!

Bullet points:
Drift no more!
The calm before the storm—but on the starship Lost Light, nothing is ever very calm!
“Remain in Light” —the story everyone’s been waiting for—begins here!


Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
User avatar
El Duque
Matrix Keeper
Posts: 9760
News Credits: 5749
Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:57 pm
Location: tornado alley

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:08 pm

Weapon: Semi-Automatic Rifle
I don't think I'm going to survive this issue. The news with Magnus is bad enough, but seeing Chromey out there like that just makes me tear :sad:

*edit*Holy scrap. I just noticed the panel with Overlord. hard to tell if he's dead or not. probably not. Aren't they even going to investigate him or something. Even look for a sign of Rewind?
User avatar
sabrigami
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 567
News Credits: 2
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:17 am
Location: Ontario, Canada
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 8
Endurance: 9
Courage: 9
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:19 pm

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
sabrigami wrote:*edit*Holy scrap. I just noticed the panel with Overlord. hard to tell if he's dead or not. probably not. Aren't they even going to investigate him or something. Even look for a sign of Rewind?


It's just the first pages. :P
User avatar
Va'al
God Of Transformers
Posts: 17010
News Credits: 6188
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:00 am
Location: Italy
Buy from Va'al on eBay

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:23 pm

Weapon: Semi-Automatic Rifle
Va'al wrote:
sabrigami wrote:*edit*Holy scrap. I just noticed the panel with Overlord. hard to tell if he's dead or not. probably not. Aren't they even going to investigate him or something. Even look for a sign of Rewind?


It's just the first pages. :P


true enough. just looks like they're flying away. It's also nice to see my other fave bot Rotorstorm get a cameo :KREMZEEK:
User avatar
sabrigami
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 567
News Credits: 2
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:17 am
Location: Ontario, Canada
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 8
Endurance: 9
Courage: 9
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby budmaloney » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:10 pm

Weapon: Sub-Machine Gun
You can see Rewind's camera. Also If the first pages about Magnus's survival are foreshadowing, he'll live. Looking forward to this issue
I have a bad habit of not replying on time....you've been warned
budmaloney
Minibot
Posts: 189
Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:02 pm
Strength: 8
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 6
Endurance: 8
Rank: 6
Courage: 7
Firepower: 9
Skill: 7

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:41 pm

Weapon: Semi-Automatic Rifle
budmaloney wrote:You can see Rewind's camera. Also If the first pages about Magnus's survival are foreshadowing, he'll live. Looking forward to this issue


Oh man it is his camera. how did I miss that too? That does not bode well :-(
User avatar
sabrigami
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 567
News Credits: 2
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:17 am
Location: Ontario, Canada
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 8
Endurance: 9
Courage: 9
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Blurrz » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:51 pm

Motto: "scream drive faster"
Weapon: Electro-Laser Cannon
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Image
User avatar
Blurrz
God Of Transformers
Posts: 11085
News Credits: 1452
Joined: Wed May 09, 2007 12:31 am
Location: Canada
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 8
Speed: 10
Endurance: 6
Rank: 7
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 5

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:58 pm

Weapon: Semi-Automatic Rifle
Blurrz wrote:Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


What does that mean? is it good? :-?
User avatar
sabrigami
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 567
News Credits: 2
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:17 am
Location: Ontario, Canada
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 8
Endurance: 9
Courage: 9
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Blurrz » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:37 pm

Motto: "scream drive faster"
Weapon: Electro-Laser Cannon
Give a me a few before we PM, my fanboy exploded.
Image
User avatar
Blurrz
God Of Transformers
Posts: 11085
News Credits: 1452
Joined: Wed May 09, 2007 12:31 am
Location: Canada
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 8
Speed: 10
Endurance: 6
Rank: 7
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 5

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:02 am

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
Review will be going up later today! :D
And I've made sure it doesn't spoil anything this time, but just because I think the issue works really well without too many hints.
User avatar
Va'al
God Of Transformers
Posts: 17010
News Credits: 6188
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:00 am
Location: Italy
Buy from Va'al on eBay

Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #16 Review

Postby Va'al » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:34 am

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
The funeral issue
(Spoiler free-ish)


Disclaimer: while the review is relatively spoiler-free, the discussion in this thread may not be. If you do not want to ruin your reading experience, please do not read the comments until you've picked up the issue!

Synopsis
AFTERMATH! The battle for the Lost Light is over. As the survivors bury the dead, one Autobot begins a secret journey that will change everything. This special issue marks the beginning of “Remain in Light”—the game-changing finale to the first More Than Meets The Eye mega-story arc!

Image
Aaaand we're up to speed



Story

There's a definite lack of exclamation marks this issue, whatever the solicitation may say. Overlord and Rewind are dead (it seems), Ultra Magnus is dying (apparently), Rodimus, Chromedome and a lot more are hurt and hurting. Get your tissues out, there's some emotional stuff going on.

Image
U sad bro?


I'd say there are three main plots running through, with all the usual addenda. Rodimus having to deal with what has happened behind his back and yet right under his nose (try working that out, physically): I love the portrayal of him in this issue, I simply love it. He's furious and feels, justly, betrayed, while still trying to keep a level head as captain of the ship. Drift is complementary to this section, and quite rightly has not a lot of excuses to offer.

Image
Cameo appearance: Rotorstorm!


Ultra Magnus, on the operating table, with the Death Clock, surrounded by his 'friend' Swerve, Ratchet and Tailgate, who is having a real hard time keeping everything together. Somehow, Swerve's usual humour does not seem to work, and all of this issue is, fortunately, toned down. Tailgate, actually, gets some nice lines, and serves his function heartbreakingly well. (And those initial pages provide some rushed but good background to all his obsessions, too.)

Image
Skids sure does talk a lot


Chromedome, trying to get over Rewind's death. There are some excellent moments here, unsurprisingly. The scenes with Skids outside the ship, hinting at the real ties between him and Rewind, the talk after the funeral revealing a big secret, the final pages. Especially towards the end, although a tad confusing in some frames.


Art

Artist on board this time is Agustin Padilla, who has previously worked on the Rage of the Dinobots miniseries, with Jose Aviles on inks. While I do like the work overall, something does quite feel right in terms of proportions and scale, especially with the smaller bots like Tailgate and Swerve.

Image
Someone went to the Hasbro masterclass on scale


Burcham's colours really are something. This issue is toned done, almost muted, in remembrance of the events from the previous one, and the colouring just makes sure we get the gravity of the situation. There isn't that much space for Long to play around with lettering, but the captions in the final sections of the issue are really well executed.

Image
Dem shadows


Overall, the artwork leaves me a bit unsure, but there are some gems in there, and the colours really do help. The images really suit the text, in hue, tone and saturation, and not just for flashbacks. The amount of work going into those last pages is impressive, and needs commending, though.


Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead

I liked it. I really liked it. I appreciated what Roberts did in the almost final pages, although it was a bit confusing at times. I'm glad there was no need for subtlety. I enjoyed how everything was turned down a notch, in terms of action, pacing and even colour saturation. One minor negative point I do have concerns the artwork, which doesn't always work. But it is a minor point.

Image
Bobbing along..


I'm still unsure at the Overlord situation having been resolved so quickly, and similarly with Ultra Magnus' condition – although it wasn't entirely unsurprising, actually. The final page, while it will undoubtedly work in upcoming issues, felt almost forced after Rewind's message. We'll see where this goes, and whether what is left of the crew will indeed Remain in Light.

. :BOT: :BOT: :BOT: :BOT: :BOT: - out of :BOT: :BOT: :BOT: :BOT: :BOT:
User avatar
Va'al
God Of Transformers
Posts: 17010
News Credits: 6188
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:00 am
Location: Italy
Buy from Va'al on eBay

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:12 am

Weapon: Semi-Automatic Rifle
It needs to be Wednesday. Now. :(
User avatar
sabrigami
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 567
News Credits: 2
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:17 am
Location: Ontario, Canada
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 8
Endurance: 9
Courage: 9
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Blurrz » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:47 pm

Motto: "scream drive faster"
Weapon: Electro-Laser Cannon
I really loved the art this issue. The story arc drove me crazy, so many feels.
Image
User avatar
Blurrz
God Of Transformers
Posts: 11085
News Credits: 1452
Joined: Wed May 09, 2007 12:31 am
Location: Canada
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 8
Speed: 10
Endurance: 6
Rank: 7
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 5

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:54 pm

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
Indeed. The Rewind sequence can be confusing for non-native English speakers though. :-?
User avatar
Va'al
God Of Transformers
Posts: 17010
News Credits: 6188
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:00 am
Location: Italy
Buy from Va'al on eBay

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Stormrider » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:51 pm

Weapon: Atom-Smasher Cannon
Why does Rotorstorm need to walk through that goop instead of flying over it? I guess he didn't want to show off in front of Ultra Magnus.
Image
Stormrider
Guardian Of Seibertron
Posts: 6043
News Credits: 409
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:24 am
Location: USA

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby 1984forever » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:48 pm

Yuck! Transformers were never this emotional when I was a kid. Roberts has the whole crew acting like a bunch of girls toys!
1984forever
Targetmaster
Posts: 654
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:04 am
Location: Brooklyn NY

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:58 am

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
84forever wrote:Yuck! Transformers were never this emotional when I was a kid. Roberts has the whole crew acting like a bunch of girls toys!


Could you please re-phrase the last part of that statement?
Some of us, me included, can find it offensive that, apparently, girls cannot enjoy Transformers, or that emotions are not something that boys have.
User avatar
Va'al
God Of Transformers
Posts: 17010
News Credits: 6188
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:00 am
Location: Italy
Buy from Va'al on eBay

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Matrix. » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:20 am

84forever wrote:Yuck! Transformers were never this emotional when I was a kid. Roberts has the whole crew acting like a bunch of girls toys!


One day, my friend. One day you'll discover fiction for adults. You'll find out all about emotions, relationships and how they're key to telling a good story.

And then! Then the wonders of relationships will be open to you as well. You'll be sensitive, you'll be caring. You'll understand the opposite sex. You'll enjoy good literature.

My friend, I envy you. You are about to take your first step into a larger world.
Image
Matrix.
Fuzor
Posts: 224
News Credits: 1
Joined: Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:53 am

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:35 am

Weapon: Semi-Automatic Rifle
Omg I could just cry. I just bought this off of comixology but the stupid site loads RID #16! I wanna read this so bad! anyone else having this issue?
User avatar
sabrigami
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 567
News Credits: 2
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:17 am
Location: Ontario, Canada
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 8
Endurance: 9
Courage: 9
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:42 am

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
I only read the print issues, and the digital review copies.
Sorry to hear that, have you been in touch with ComiXology?
User avatar
Va'al
God Of Transformers
Posts: 17010
News Credits: 6188
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:00 am
Location: Italy
Buy from Va'al on eBay

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:44 am

Weapon: Semi-Automatic Rifle
Va'al wrote:I only read the print issues, and the digital review copies.
Sorry to hear that, have you been in touch with ComiXology?


Yeah. I sent them an email. apparently I'm not the only one though according to the IDW Forums. Just hope they fix it soon. it's so close and yet so far :BANG_HEAD:
User avatar
sabrigami
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 567
News Credits: 2
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:17 am
Location: Ontario, Canada
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 8
Endurance: 9
Courage: 9
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby wulongti » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:46 am

Weapon: Battle Blades
no mention of poor Pipes? I'll remember you buddy.

*pours out bottle of distilled energon*
wulongti
Fuzor
Posts: 272
Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:27 am
Location: Highland Lakes, NJ
Watch wulongti on YouTube
Buy from wulongti on eBay
Strength: 6
Intelligence: 8
Speed: 7
Endurance: 5
Rank: 3
Courage: 8
Firepower: 2
Skill: 5

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:13 am

Weapon: Semi-Automatic Rifle
wow. The message from rewind just crushed me good. The art marred it a little but the message brings it home. so many feels. It's so bitter sweet.

The funeral scene kinda confused me a bit. But no body means that he's probably still alive. Great moments for Chomey and Branstorm. Really a shocker there. That part made me gasp.

A good issue. really wish Milne did this one though. the art was really hit or miss.

I also enjoyed the new Meet the Crew page. I also really want a matrix cape for my rodimus figure now.
User avatar
sabrigami
Headmaster Jr
Posts: 567
News Credits: 2
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:17 am
Location: Ontario, Canada
Strength: 4
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 8
Endurance: 9
Courage: 9
Firepower: 7
Skill: 8

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:22 am

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
I had some issues with the religious aspect of the funeral, to be fair.
Wasn't Drift the only religious nut in the crew?

But that cape is glorious. :P
User avatar
Va'al
God Of Transformers
Posts: 17010
News Credits: 6188
Joined: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:00 am
Location: Italy
Buy from Va'al on eBay

Re: Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Blurrz » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:47 pm

Motto: "scream drive faster"
Weapon: Electro-Laser Cannon
Matrix. wrote:
One day, my friend. One day you'll discover fiction for adults. You'll find out all about emotions, relationships and how they're key to telling a good story.

And then! Then the wonders of relationships will be open to you as well. You'll be sensitive, you'll be caring. You'll understand the opposite sex. You'll enjoy good literature.

My friend, I envy you. You are about to take your first step into a larger world.


I.
Love.
You.


Va'al wrote:I had some issues with the religious aspect of the funeral, to be fair.
Wasn't Drift the only religious nut in the crew?

But that cape is glorious. :P


Cape custom on my MTMTE Rodimus coming asap
Image
User avatar
Blurrz
God Of Transformers
Posts: 11085
News Credits: 1452
Joined: Wed May 09, 2007 12:31 am
Location: Canada
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 8
Speed: 10
Endurance: 6
Rank: 7
Courage: 8
Firepower: 7
Skill: 5

Next

Return to Transformers Cartoons and Comics Forum

Transformers and More @ The Seibertron Store

Visit our store on eBay
These are affiliate links. We may earn commissions when you purchase items or services through these links.
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Transformers LAST BOT STANDING #3 Cvr C IDW Comics 2022 MAY221567 3C (CA) Gauntt"
Transformers LAST ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Transformers ROBOTS IN DISGUISE #46 IDW Comics 2015 (CA) Griffith (W) Barber"
Transformers ROBOT ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS HEADMASTERS #2 Marvel Comics 1987 (A)Springer (W) Budiansky 230926L"
TRANSFORMERS HEADM ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS BEAST WARS #3 Cvr B IDW Comics 2021 FEB210483 3B (CA) Schoening"
TRANSFORMERS BEAST ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "VOID RIVALS #2 Cvr D 1:25 Image Comics 2023 APR238111 2D (CA) Darboe (W) Kirkman"
VOID RIVALS #2 Cvr ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Transformers Wreckers TREAD & CIRCUITS #3 Cvr B IDW Comics 2021 3B (CA) Chan"
Transformers Wreck ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS BEAST WARS #5 RI 1:10 IDW Comics 2021 APR210677 5RI (CA) Milne"
TRANSFORMERS BEAST ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "GI JOE AND THE TRANSFORMERS #2 Marvel Comics 1987 (CA) Trimpe 230915J"
GI JOE AND THE TRA ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Transformers Beast Wars GATHERING #1 RI Cvr C 1:100 IDW Comics 2006 1RIC 210321A"
Transformers Beast ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "DUKE #1 2nd ptg Cvr A Rock N Roll Image Comics 2024 GI JOE 1123IM896 (CA) Howard"
NEW!
DUKE #1 2nd ptg Cv ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS #4 Cvr A Image Comics 2024 Skybound 1123IM342 4A (CA) Johnson"
TRANSFORMERS #4 Cv ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "VOID RIVALS #3 4th ptg Image Comics 2024 1123IM892 (CA) Torque (W) Kirkman"
VOID RIVALS #3 4th ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS #42 Cvr B IDW Comics 2022 FEB220435 42B (CA) Gauntt"
TRANSFORMERS #42 C ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS #12 Cover B IDW Comics 2019 BOLD NEW ERA 12B (CA) Zama JUN190702"
TRANSFORMERS #12 C ...
* Price and quantities subject to change. Shipping costs, taxes and other fees not included in cost shown. Refer to listing for current price and availability.
Find the items above and thousands more at the Seibertron Store on eBay
Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #346 - Gas Station Jamboree
Twincast / Podcast #346:
"Gas Station Jamboree"
MP3 · iTunes · RSS · View · Discuss · Ask
Posted: Saturday, March 23rd, 2024

Featured Products on Amazon.com

These are affiliate links. We may earn commissions when you purchase items or services through these links.
Buy "Transformers Generations Exclusive Cyber Battalion Class Shockwave Figure" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Titans Return Arcee Action Figure Set" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Power of The Primes Evolution Nemesis Prime (Amazon Exclusive)" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Studio Series 07 Leader Class Movie 4 Grimlock" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Titans Return Repugnus, Dastard, and Solus Prime Prime Master" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Power of The Primes Deluxe Class Sinnertwin" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Deluxe 20 Mercenary Action Figure" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Power of The Primes Voyager Class Elita-1" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Beast Hunters Legion Class Smokescreen Stealth Fighter Figure" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations, Platinum Edition, One Shall Stand, One Shall Fall" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Voyager Class Protectobot Hot Spot Figure" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Leader Powermaster Optimus Prime Action Figure (Discontinued by manufacturer)" on AMAZON