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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby Convotron » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:16 am

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Aeros wrote:Do you have any kind of degree in any form of art?


A degree can help inform an opinion. A background in art, either as an artist or education in art, can also help. However, appreciation, which includes critical analysis, of art doesn't require formal education or a stamp of approval such as a degree.

I'm speaking as someone who is pursuing education and training as an artist(formerly of Sheridan College in Oakville, Ontario, Canada, currently seeking an atelier to enroll at). The only reason I feel it's relevant to mention this is that I've witnessed some artists wave the "you have no right to criticize art unless you're an artist" card, which I see as something that parallels the approach of questioning of someone's credentials in order to invalidate criticism of artwork.

A person doesn't have to be a professional cook in order to say something tastes good or bad. The processing, analyzing, and ultimately forming judgment of visual information isn't something that requires a degree.

Aeros wrote:You can't call it bad art just because It's different.


I have yet to read anyone's opinion at this forum state that they do not like the artwork or that it's bad artwork simply because it's "different".

Ryan/Seibertron has recently posted the factors involved in his opinion of Don's artwork, specifically the way he portrays the Transformers' faces.

More than one person, including myself, have expressed similar criticism of how Don draws faces in previous threads discussing the ongoing monthly Transformers comic.

Aeros wrote:Different art, yes. Will it take some time(Maybe A LOT)to get accustomed to, Sure. But "Bad Artwork" it is not.


Maybe it's not "bad artwork" to you but the way in which you posted your opinion comes off as assertion of fact rather than a personal judgment of the artwork.

Personally, while I don't particularly like Don's current style with regards to the faces, it's not as simple as not liking the faces. My criticism is that the faces seem to possess little emotive potential beyond a few expressions. All of the expressions I've seen so far involve closed mouth deadpan faces, baring of teeth in grimaces or open mouthed showing of anger or pain, and what could be a smile but looks more like a rictus grin.

I think Don's intent was to create simulated facial features with mechanized components to bridge the gap between the humanistic G1/typical anime Super Robot faces and the mechanically heavy features of the live action movie Transformers designs. Unfortunately, he ends up creating very sinister facial features. I actually think this style of facial design, as Don is utilizing it so far, is great for the Decepticons but isn't successful when used for Autobots. Don did a great promotional piece for the comic where the Autobots and Decepticons are having an all out fight with Optimus Prime and Megatron in the center. Seeing this style of facial design on Megatron was very cool.

To me, Don's current style for the bodies of the Transformers characters is great. I have a definite bias because I'm a big fan of mechanical design(I love the complex designs of the live action movie CG models and I'm a fan of the Binaltech/Alternators and Alternity toy lines). My nostalgic side definitely enjoy the G1 style of blocky late 70s/early 80s anime robot designs but my eye for mechanical designs developed over the years of mecha fandom enjoys the more detailed style that Don is currently employing.

It's a shame that a lot of negative attention is centered around Don's facial style. I haven't read a lot of comments all around the internet on the rest of his artwork, for better or worse.
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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby shadowsfm » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:48 am

well anyways. just for fun, i nominate bumblebee as new leader.
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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby kriksix » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:11 am

err.. I'm wondering.. does anyone know what Hot Rod's new alt mode is supposed to be (I guess we find out in the next panel when he drives off..)
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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby Optimutt » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:07 am

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Sadly, (a word I use here with hesitancy, as I genuinely love all things Transformers and hate to have to associate my following opinions with the brand) I agree with Seibertron.

The faces are a major put-off. They are so distracting and obscurely dull that I am woefully confused by whatever might be going on behind the hatched lines. If they were wrinkles, I'd understand their inclusion, as wrinkles are a means of depicting life. But these horrors evidence none of that. There is no life behind these faces. If you look at the movies, the faces are done is such a way as to bring out the uniqueness of the individuals, not as a means to homogenize all with an assembly-line protoform within some ugly bulked-up armor.

That being the case, I would love to see a petition which calls for a return of facial features to something more readily identifiable. The bodies I can live with, but the faces? I don't butcher my family for fun: why would I want to open up a comic book to see such butchering done to friends?

Keep on, Seibertron. Your opinion, though rare, is the voice of the fandom.
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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby Trikeboy » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:20 am

After reading issue 1 a few times I have to say I like this new series and the art style. The bodies look more realistic than past interpretations while still retaining their G1 selves unlike the movies. The faces have to follow suit to make the bodies consistant. The glum look also helps sell the story. The Autobots are on a world where nobody want's them. Ironhide is dead, Optimus Prime just quit and the human's have judged all Cybertronians on Megatron's actions. The Autobots are hiding in caves and their future prospects are very bleak. If you were part of the group how would you feel.

On an other note, I want Hasbro to turn that Optimus Prime and Omega Supreme into toys.
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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby SJ21 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:54 am

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So much hatred here for the new art.

I like it. It is something different, yet all the the characters are easily identifiable as their G1 selves. OP looks great, Omega Supreme looks more bad a@# then ever before, and as much as as everyone seems to hate him, Hot Rod looks good.

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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby Darclipto » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:06 am

Prime looks bad ass and so does Hot Rod. I hope Hot Rod is in TF3.... yeah so I like Hot Rod you got something to say about it?? Get it? HOT ROD?
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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby Random » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:38 am

Ok...I have a thought on the art. Why does Bumblebee have his normal face at the end of AHM, and it changed so much in the five years that has passed to Ongoing? It also seems weird that they place "normal" Bumblebee on the cover. Did they explain this storywise, or is it just a change of artist?

Ok, here's what I was thinking as to why they all look the same: could it be, that they have all removed the outer face covering? I imagine that how they portray Bumblebee in the comic, is possibly what his face would look like under a mask. Just throwing that out there.

I'm ok with the art. The only time an art style ticks me off, is when it makes the comic unreadable. If you cannot follow what's going on from frame to frame because the artist cannot portray it with some polish, then it's rubbish.
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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby RiddlerJ » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:15 am

Mechastrike wrote:is that Spike or Daniel with a girl?


You mean the half naked one?

No, they're not trying to emulate Michael Bay.
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Re: Transformers 'Ongoing' #2 Five-Page Preview

Postby dragons » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:13 am

i like this series so far i like how the other bots jetfirs looks like vector prime almost in some parts ill wait for tpb

omega surpreme looks very omega looking
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