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Bullycon wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Seriously though, let's give them credit where credit is due. Combiners are nasty mother-truckers to get right. As mentioned earlier, they have to have a robot mode, vehicle mode AND limb/torso mode. FOC Bruticus has OK vehicle modes, variable robot modes (ranging from mediocre, such as Onslaught, to great, such as Brawl) and a combined mode that is impressive for how much it achieves with no seperate hand, foot, head or armour pieces, but looks rather disjointed.

Snipping out the part I want to address.

The FOC Combaticons have five robots, each with articulated robot modes, distinct vehicle modes, and combine to form a super robot with head, waist, leg, knee, shoulder and even some elbow articulation. Any limb can swap with any other limb. And it does this without any extra pieces or parts-forming.

It's not perfect, but damn, it does a lot of things right! It's better than any G1 or Energon combiner that I have. And I can get the whole set for $60. For the love of Primus, people, get a grip!

Here freaking here,

FOC Bruticus is the best official transformers combiner to date (imo of course), convince me of a better one.
G1 combiners were easy as hell, little bricks with close to zero articulation. Okay they looked decent, but such an easy concept wouldn't work nowadays.

...Someone loves their quotation marks.

Seriously, grow up. These are toys. You are getting angry over toys.

You know, for kids![/quote]


Gotta love another guy trying to ACT cool on the forum too. Anytime you "know it alls" spout off and say something so ignorant as "Its a kids line, and you need to grow up". Do you see the hypocrisy or the irony in your words?? I further prove my point because YOU as an adult are on a children's toy lines forum trying to act smart, cool, etc. by being a jerk. Just because you do not like me expressing myself over the toy line that BOTH of us are supposed to love. If we didnt we wouldn't be on here would we? So why do I get all this grief for simply pointing out what A LOT of people are thinking and are tired of?? Do you want the line to keep coming out with SUB PAR toys and at higher prices for those Sub par toys? Do you WANT the line to die in the states and only be able to get the product out of country, etc.? Like they were going to do and DID do with the FE Prime lines first toys? I was collecting when they killed the line because of poor sales and poor product in 1990. And in 1992-93 G2, Those toys stayed on shelves for literally 3 years because NO BODY wanted them. I guess its no use talking to some of you. Your going to LOVE everything and TAKE what you get because your scared of losing it? But a lot of people are Not, and if the numbers are large enough they will shut it right on down here again!!

And for the guy trying to tell me how Hasbro HAS to operate and how he assumes 3rd parties operate. I know how they operate, budgets,tooling, deadlines, regulations, factories, the list of things goes on and on, etc. THAT is NOT what stops Hasbro from making good product and selling it at a good price and getting it sold here in the states. Its the idiots in suits that look at numbers only and know nothing of the actual line or the fans or the collectors, buyers, etc. Hell any one of us in this forum could probably come up with several legit ideas that would work that upper Hasbro management in the Transformers brand hasn't even thought of, etc. Sometimes in business the object is not to make as much money as you can right away, BUT to invest into a LONG term plan of attack. And you do that by compromising a few things. You want a good example of that? Look at what Marvel did with their Comic movies, they linked them all together and made them come together in one of the largest movies of all time! And it payed off and it will continue to pay off if they keep giving THEIR customers what THEY WANT!!

Chill bro, chill.

Va'al wrote:

Cybershark wrote:They ALMOST made a good Bruticus with the FOC toys, but they ended up sucking as well,lol. Sorry, they did.(PCC anyone? lol)

You have a problem with PCCs?


On topic, this looks pretty cool actually! Looking forward to colour pictures, just to figure out if it beats retail FoC Bruticus at SKITTLEPOWER.

LMAO, No I dont man, SORRY, haha.

Na, I actually do, because they had SO MUCH promise. Or at least I had hoped and prayed that they would be so much better then what they turned out to be. BTW, anybody need any MISB ones? I have them all,lol.

Take a chill pill or get a new hobby. You seem to enjoy complaining and ranting more than you enjoy collecting.

Blurrz wrote:

Cybershark wrote:And for whoever told me to stop collecting just because of a rant, umm No. If You want to buy any of my MISB stuff?? I already sold most of my Japanese MISB items over the last 2 years (sold some to ebays "sonofyada" a very large MISB AFA collector, Now he must be rich,lol). But I still have some left like an Abominus, Metrotitan, and some others.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, it's cool. But this topic is for the aforementioned toys.

Let's refrain from trying to sell our own wares, sharing our collection's life-stories or insulting each other.

WOW, Really, you say that to me? Did you not see all the aforementioned insulting done to me earlier?? etc. So it was "ok" then right? Cuz they are your forum buddies on here or what? Are you another prime example of what I said was going on in here? And for You to say that nobody can even talk about their collections in this thread or post? WOW, Talk about "forum nazi".

I think The Abominus looks fairly cool for being legends toys. Why they dont make a larger one? More articulated one? more detailed one? That would be Crazy!!!

noctorro wrote:

Bullycon wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Seriously though, let's give them credit where credit is due. Combiners are nasty mother-truckers to get right. As mentioned earlier, they have to have a robot mode, vehicle mode AND limb/torso mode. FOC Bruticus has OK vehicle modes, variable robot modes (ranging from mediocre, such as Onslaught, to great, such as Brawl) and a combined mode that is impressive for how much it achieves with no seperate hand, foot, head or armour pieces, but looks rather disjointed.

Snipping out the part I want to address.

The FOC Combaticons have five robots, each with articulated robot modes, distinct vehicle modes, and combine to form a super robot with head, waist, leg, knee, shoulder and even some elbow articulation. Any limb can swap with any other limb. And it does this without any extra pieces or parts-forming.

It's not perfect, but damn, it does a lot of things right! It's better than any G1 or Energon combiner that I have. And I can get the whole set for $60. For the love of Primus, people, get a grip!

Here freaking here,

FOC Bruticus is the best official transformers combiner to date (imo of course), convince me of a better one.
G1 combiners were easy as hell, little bricks with close to zero articulation. Okay they looked decent, but such an easy concept wouldn't work nowadays.

Beast Wars Magnaboss is a pretty legit combiner, even after all these years. Course, Ironhide makes 2/3 of the combined robot (both legs, lower torso, both arms), so that's probably part of it.

Cybershark, I smell impending banhammer...

Seriously. We get it. You're sad because you don't like Hasbro's newest version of your favourite toys. Boo-slaggin'-hoo. Grow up. I don't like the new Mega Man games (mainly because they are just the old-incredibly bad-games with new Robot Masters, complete with atrocious "retro" graphics that make poor Mega Man look like a deformed troll) but you don't hear me going on big long rants about it.

Cybershark wrote:And for the guy trying to tell me how Hasbro HAS to operate and how he assumes 3rd parties operate. I know how they operate, budgets,tooling, deadlines, regulations, factories, the list of things goes on and on, etc. THAT is NOT what stops Hasbro from making good product and selling it at a good price and getting it sold here in the states. Its the idiots in suits that look at numbers only and know nothing of the actual line or the fans or the collectors, buyers, etc.

You're right. When I put forth my apparently insulting suggestion that larger companies are more rigid in structure and smaller companies are not I assure you the intent was to bring up a point, not start an argument.

What really prevents Hasbro engineers from putting out a truly good toy are the suits. Designers log thousands of completely superior designs that are ultimately rejected for being too expensive to produce. The constant feedback of "Hey this is awesome! But can we make it cheaper?" has resulted in designers churning out toy designs with one hand on the drawing board and the other hand alternating between reaching for grain alcohol shots and unsteadily holding some type of revolver to their own temple. Designers do this while crying, as visible tear stains on designer documents (yes, even those in .pdf) are what really pushes the toy design through. And the suits laugh. They laugh at the designers for their broken minds. They laugh at the Chinese for their deplorable work conditions. And then we, the consumers, are laughed at because we buy the toys.

Moreover, the suits sit on these superior designs; lovingly crafted for fans by fans, and wipe their asses with both these superior designs and our money.

You and your paranoid ranting has shown me the way. I can't wait to go home and get in a fight with my 1/6 scale organic Steeljaw. Thank you.

Cybershark wrote:Hell any one of us in this forum could probably come up with several legit ideas that would work that upper Hasbro management in the Transformers brand hasn't even thought of, etc. Sometimes in business the object is not to make as much money as you can right away, BUT to invest into a LONG term plan of attack. And you do that by compromising a few things. You want a good example of that? Look at what Marvel did with their Comic movies, they linked them all together and made them come together in one of the largest movies of all time! And it payed off and it will continue to pay off if they keep giving THEIR customers what THEY WANT!!

It's all good to give customers what they want, but a "LONG term plan of attack" sometimes means you have to cash in quickly on what's hot in order to afford employees and not get rid of them as companies will do instead of sacking higher paid executives. If you wish to change this mentality, then please take your ranty wisdom and apply it to the toy market. After all, "any one of us in this forum could probably come up with several legit ideas that would work that upper Hasbro management in the Transformers brand hasn't even thought of, etc."

That Bot wrote:Beast Wars Magnaboss is a pretty legit combiner, even after all these years. Course, Ironhide makes 2/3 of the combined robot (both legs, lower torso, both arms), so that's probably part of it.

He does look good and uniform because of Ironhide.
But to stay in the 5-6 dudes in the squad combiners, the Energon combiners look kind of decent. Aside from having 2 twins per squad :p

Well, my favorite Beast Wars combiner (other than the mighty Magmatron) is Tripredacus/Tripledacus, and he doesn't have proper hands either. I guess it all depends on how well they pull off the whole non-human hand thing. Some do it well, others do not.

I'll see how these guys look combined in-hand when I get them and decide for myself. When posed properly, even the strangest of appendages can often look pretty cool.

It's also cool of Hasbro to throw us collectors a bone with a homage to a combiner/team which hasn't existed since 1987. There's no way kids today would have any idea who these guys are supposed to be/homage (unless they have TF fans as parents who have educated them on G1).

I think I'm ok with the whole no hands thing since it's a combiner made of "monsters" and is meant more to destroy. One other thing, we've only seen this one pic, we don't know how it looks from other angles, or if it's combined correctly.

I don't care about all the negatives, it's another combiner to add to the collection so I am more than happy. That is if we get it in the UK. You can gripe in the US but we get bugger all over here unless we pre-order from specialist stockists. Anyway I'm not starting arguments. I'm just looking forward to this as I didn't collect many TF's in the 80's, and they've long since disappeared, not on a ten year olds pocket money.

Hands? Who needs hands, when you're a giant alien robotic transforming combining dragon-monster?!

I really want to see how it combines together.

Down_Shift wrote:Wow, that was some kinda rant.

My favorite part is "if you take everything I said as it was written then your missing the entire point!!"

Two exclamation marks makes it sound very over bearing, and very very whiny. Also, someone get this guy a few years of past threads to read through, maybe brush up on what he thinks he's talking about. Always a new guy willing to tell everyone else how it is, then when someone calls him on it they spew more garbage from what they think they know of the fandom and of Hasbro themselves.

Idiot rants like that are why I seldom post here anymore.

Are you serious?? 2 EXCLAMATION MARKS!! WHAT, WOW that must mean it IS OVERBEARING!!!!<---What about 4 of them?? See you "hyper" sensitive forum frequent persons just cannot handle anything can you? You say "Idiot rants" implying that I am an idiot and You "hardly post anymore"? Coming from a guy with over 6000 posts? Please kid, Hyper sensitive Nerds on here like you is why I rarely comment on here myself!! You THINK you know EVERYTHING and if you are "challenged" you feel the need to try and put somebody else down, and try to belittle them by saying that they must not know ANYTHING!! Especially if they do not frequent the forums and "LIVE" in them 24/7 like yourself does!! Because You know YOU must know everything, right? So Rather then make suggestions about the problems, frustrations, opinions, highs,lows, or whatever the persons post may be about? You would rather pick it apart and act like a tough guy? How about the saying your parents should have taught you when you were a young kid "If you dont have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all"? So how does it feel being on the other end of being belittled??

datguy86 wrote:

Cybershark wrote:And for the guy trying to tell me how Hasbro HAS to operate and how he assumes 3rd parties operate. I know how they operate, budgets,tooling, deadlines, regulations, factories, the list of things goes on and on, etc. THAT is NOT what stops Hasbro from making good product and selling it at a good price and getting it sold here in the states. Its the idiots in suits that look at numbers only and know nothing of the actual line or the fans or the collectors, buyers, etc.

You're right. When I put forth my apparently insulting suggestion that larger companies are more rigid in structure and smaller companies are not I assure you the intent was to bring up a point, not start an argument.

What really prevents Hasbro engineers from putting out a truly good toy are the suits. Designers log thousands of completely superior designs that are ultimately rejected for being too expensive to produce. The constant feedback of "Hey this is awesome! But can we make it cheaper?" has resulted in designers churning out toy designs with one hand on the drawing board and the other hand alternating between reaching for grain alcohol shots and unsteadily holding some type of revolver to their own temple. Designers do this while crying, as visible tear stains on designer documents (yes, even those in .pdf) are what really pushes the toy design through. And the suits laugh. They laugh at the designers for their broken minds. They laugh at the Chinese for their deplorable work conditions. And then we, the consumers, are laughed at because we buy the toys.

Moreover, the suits sit on these superior designs; lovingly crafted for fans by fans, and wipe their asses with both these superior designs and our money.

You and your paranoid ranting has shown me the way. I can't wait to go home and get in a fight with my 1/6 scale organic Steeljaw. Thank you.

Cybershark wrote:Hell any one of us in this forum could probably come up with several legit ideas that would work that upper Hasbro management in the Transformers brand hasn't even thought of, etc. Sometimes in business the object is not to make as much money as you can right away, BUT to invest into a LONG term plan of attack. And you do that by compromising a few things. You want a good example of that? Look at what Marvel did with their Comic movies, they linked them all together and made them come together in one of the largest movies of all time! And it payed off and it will continue to pay off if they keep giving THEIR customers what THEY WANT!!

It's all good to give customers what they want, but a "LONG term plan of attack" sometimes means you have to cash in quickly on what's hot in order to afford employees and not get rid of them as companies will do instead of sacking higher paid executives. If you wish to change this mentality, then please take your ranty wisdom and apply it to the toy market. After all, "any one of us in this forum could probably come up with several legit ideas that would work that upper Hasbro management in the Transformers brand hasn't even thought of, etc."

See, another "Know it all". I already said I understood the concept and how it works, already? What about that did You not GET? Do you like to see yourself type, talk,try to look smart, etc? For those saying I need to quit ranting, etc. I am simply responding to the trash talk I'm getting. And if some of you didn't act like immature, sensitive know it all's I would stop,lol.
I have every right to come on here and talk, comment or complain about the OP as you do. I also have every right to come on here and DEFEND myself when I am being questioned or talked down to, without threat of being "banned". And once again to the guy that said "Grow Up" to me?? REALLY, I guess he must have forgot what kind of forum he was on?

datguy86 wrote:You're right. When I put forth my apparently insulting suggestion that larger companies are more rigid in structure and smaller companies are not I assure you the intent was to bring up a point, not start an argument.

What really prevents Hasbro engineers from putting out a truly good toy are the suits. Designers log thousands of completely superior designs that are ultimately rejected for being too expensive to produce. The constant feedback of "Hey this is awesome! But can we make it cheaper?" has resulted in designers churning out toy designs with one hand on the drawing board and the other hand alternating between reaching for grain alcohol shots and unsteadily holding some type of revolver to their own temple. Designers do this while crying, as visible tear stains on designer documents (yes, even those in .pdf) are what really pushes the toy design through. And the suits laugh. They laugh at the designers for their broken minds. They laugh at the Chinese for their deplorable work conditions. And then we, the consumers, are laughed at because we buy the toys.

Moreover, the suits sit on these superior designs; lovingly crafted for fans by fans, and wipe their asses with both these superior designs and our money.

Well. Honestly, they probably do. It is basically very difficult to come up with a description of CEOs etc that is worse than reality.

Morning folks, I woke up with a headache.

Please play nicely so I don't have to deal with any more reports.

In other words, get back on topic.

Hey guys, I have been lurking around here for a long time and I felt compelled to post about these guys. I have taken to collecting Cyberverse figures almost exclusively because they're so much fun and I don't have much room in my apartment for display.

I imagine Cybershark's issue with Cyberverse is that he seems to take his collecting seriously. I imagine that most of his collection stays in the box and sits on a shelf, which is just fine by me. My collection, on the other hand, is in constant turmoil. I am always taking toys off the shelf to play with them because I just can't help myself. If I never played with my Cyberverse figures I probably would have missed the whole point of them as well, since they don't look that impressive in the package. However, just because I like the cheap, fun toys doesn't mean I'm going to rant and rave about how unnecessary I think 3rd Party stuff is. To each their own, man, stop running the stuff I like into the ground.

And on that note, I am completely over-the-moon with excitement for these Terrorcons! I just bought the Sky Claw and I have to say they really knocked Smokescreen out of the park. If the Terrorcons are in keeping with the current rate of improvement in the Cyberverse stuff I can't even imagine how great these will be.

CaptainMagic wrote:Hey guys, I have been lurking around here for a long time and I felt compelled to post about these guys. I have taken to collecting Cyberverse figures almost exclusively because they're so much fun and I don't have much room in my apartment for display.

I imagine Cybershark's issue with Cyberverse is that he seems to take his collecting seriously. I imagine that most of his collection stays in the box and sits on a shelf, which is just fine by me. My collection, on the other hand, is in constant turmoil. I am always taking toys off the shelf to play with them because I just can't help myself. If I never played with my Cyberverse figures I probably would have missed the whole point of them as well, since they don't look that impressive in the package. However, just because I like the cheap, fun toys doesn't mean I'm going to rant and rave about how unnecessary I think 3rd Party stuff is. To each their own, man, stop running the stuff I like into the ground.

And on that note, I am completely over-the-moon with excitement for these Terrorcons! I just bought the Sky Claw and I have to say they really knocked Smokescreen out of the park. If the Terrorcons are in keeping with the current rate of improvement in the Cyberverse stuff I can't even imagine how great these will be.

Yeah exactly. I normally hate modern beast transformers but I really dig these new Beast Hunters figures. I love Cyberverse and these monsterbots are a perfect example of what can be done in that line.

CaptainMagic wrote:Hey guys, I have been lurking around here for a long time and I felt compelled to post about these guys. I have taken to collecting Cyberverse figures almost exclusively because they're so much fun and I don't have much room in my apartment for display.

I imagine Cybershark's issue with Cyberverse is that he seems to take his collecting seriously. I imagine that most of his collection stays in the box and sits on a shelf, which is just fine by me. My collection, on the other hand, is in constant turmoil. I am always taking toys off the shelf to play with them because I just can't help myself. If I never played with my Cyberverse figures I probably would have missed the whole point of them as well, since they don't look that impressive in the package. However, just because I like the cheap, fun toys doesn't mean I'm going to rant and rave about how unnecessary I think 3rd Party stuff is. To each their own, man, stop running the stuff I like into the ground.

And on that note, I am completely over-the-moon with excitement for these Terrorcons! I just bought the Sky Claw and I have to say they really knocked Smokescreen out of the park. If the Terrorcons are in keeping with the current rate of improvement in the Cyberverse stuff I can't even imagine how great these will be.

Captain Magic. You are right I DO take these seriously and that is why I get upset lately with Hasbro. Do not get me wrong I think the Terrorcons are really cool. However I wish they would have put that effort into a deluxe or voyager size of them is all. Sure I will try to buy this set because it IS Abominus after all. And all the individual figs. look kinda cool.I fully understand why you would collect only Cyberverse now, they are small and cost less and take up less space. I was telling a friend a few years ago that if Hasbro was smart they would expand the line and continue to make them. And try to make them in scale to each other, that way they could really have some cool Combiners and other larger Transformers like Six shot, Metroplex, Fort Max, etc. And make them in that smaller scale only massive compared to the other cyberverse toys. And would fit in more easily compared to trying to get a large figure to fit in scale with the regular figures, etc.


And as far as me keeping all of my stuff in package you are partly correct. I used to buy 2 of almost everything, 1 to keep sealed and stored away(because I have no room) and 1 to open and display. However since the release of the movies I have had to cut back since there was just too much product to buy, I couldnt keep up with 2 of each on the last movie. Plus I've run out of room,lol. I am also Not "running your stuff into the ground". All I did was voice a complaint at Hasbro.

And Im no big fan of 3rd party stuff. I HATE the price of it. BUT after the last 2 years and this next year 2013. These companies are making people open their eyes to just what can be made and accomplished!! And some of the stuff is UNREAL!! Hercules was great, Perseus was cool, Uranos is cool so far. Giant was fairly cool, Menasor is looking decent IF Motormaster can be sweet (no pics of it yet), MMC's Predaking looks UNREAL!! And that is why I am upset because I would rather be throwing my money at Hasbro and paying less because Hasbro can charge less for the same product if they want to!! They have a much larger base and can sell to Wal-Marts, K-mart, Tragets, etc in much higher quantities. I just want like EVERY BODY else to have badass Hasbro toys some day. Not just a decent Abominus made for Cyberverse. Or a decent FOC Bruticus that is kinda cool, and kinda Not cool,lol. So Please Hasbro make a Computron now to at least go with the Abominus!! Then a Piranacon then a Monstructor to go with it!! We can only hope right??

i was excited about this really i was but they look dissapointing iam not going to judge a book by its cover but really a lot of them look like they have the cheetor transformation ( ripper snapper blight or blot cutthrot ) hungger and sinnertwin look like the more intresting one

ripper snapper is my fave terrorcon and was wishing for a up to date version for some time so when i saw him in baltmatrex toy fair vid i thought wow looks awsome seeing it up close well dont look a gift horse in the mouth in my veiw

cutt is maby the most dissapoing one for me the idea for transformers is that you cant tell from alt mode to robot mode yet the wings is the arms do the same for the legs as sinner and bring up the head from the chest or twist it round the design is nice dont get me wrong but its very much a let down for me

blot blot just looks like its a up to date version of his g1 toy only more colours transformation looks awfull fold back the ape body to reveil head and the rest is simple ( fold back hands ect ) ( makes a good apeface trough lol )

abominus looks like a mess of parts even if that is the prototype is dose not look good at all

now dont get me wrong iam only judging these from the pics and from what ive seen i may never know these might be a awsome set just wish it was done in the combaticons style thats all

Heres a Hint wrote:i was excited about this really i was but they look dissapointing iam not going to judge a book by its cover but really a lot of them look like they have the cheetor transformation ( ripper snapper blight or blot cutthrot ) hungger and sinnertwin look like the more intresting one

ripper snapper is my fave terrorcon and was wishing for a up to date version for some time so when i saw him in baltmatrex toy fair vid i thought wow looks awsome seeing it up close well dont look a gift horse in the mouth in my veiw

cutt is maby the most dissapoing one for me the idea for transformers is that you cant tell from alt mode to robot mode yet the wings is the arms do the same for the legs as sinner and bring up the head from the chest or twist it round the design is nice dont get me wrong but its very much a let down for me

blot blot just looks like its a up to date version of his g1 toy only more colours transformation looks awfull fold back the ape body to reveil head and the rest is simple ( fold back hands ect ) ( makes a good apeface trough lol )

abominus looks like a mess of parts even if that is the prototype is dose not look good at all

now dont get me wrong iam only judging these from the pics and from what ive seen i may never know these might be a awsome set just wish it was done in the combaticons style thats all

In all fairness, they -are- straight updates of the G1 versions, and with the exception of Hun-gurr, they're effectively the same size class, taking a 25 year difference into account. Sooo...your objections are a little unfounded, we're talking about the smallest size class, and they all look pretty good. The paint apps are great too, especially on Cutthroat.

They would be more advanced in larger size classes, of course, but considering that they are tiny, turn into beasts and still have individually articulated arms and legs I'm mostly positive to them. I do think that it would've been more interesting for the wings to become legs instead of arms, though. More solid judgement is reserved for when we get better pictures and reviews start appearing.

Right now I just want to find an ebay seller that doesn't charge massive shipping so I can finally order the terrorcon I'm least interested in.