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No punches here. I've only jokingly replied to comments that were replies to me based on my original reply to Rated-X. Again I've only replied to others for the sake of conversation. If it came across as passive aggressive I apologize to those who percieved it that way. As with texting it's easy to misinterpret one's tone in blogs sometimes and I know I come across as sarcastic. It's my idiom...I'll fall on my sword and apologize to Autobot032, but we're in a public forum here...I know I come across as an a$$ to some and witty to others but I've just been applying some playful humor, no condescension was intended...seriously. I'm giving these figures a thumbs down for my reasons stated above because thats just my opinion, all else was just sarcastic playful replies to others. I'll consider myself schooled on Seibertron blog etiquette. I think we all have bigger fish to fry.

It sounds like you guys are getting ready to choose sides! G1 guys being the Autobots, and the movie-verse guys being the Decepticons. I didn't like all the stuff in the movies either, like the jokes and antics of the twins. They went too far, but in truth, if we resist the changes we will never get to a future possibility of more G1 based characters in toy form. Why? The toys will die from 20+ years of repeating itself. Look back at G2 - everyone complaining of so few toys and the same old G1 cartoons with a new opening sequence. I love G1, but it wouldn't mean anything to me or my daughter, if I had watched it for 20+ years. I'd be sick of it. The time between and the lack of seeing the cartoons I loved as a kid, brought back the nostalgia and the feelings. If it wasn't for that, my daughter and I wouldn't be watching Transformers at all, because I'd of never introduced her to them if I was sick of seeing the repeats. Also, if it wasn't for the next series coming out I wouldn't of kept up with it at all. I'd rather support Transformers in any form, than to loss the franchise completely. I have and still do support them. I just choose which figures I like, and buy them. I disliked the twins, but I liked the ice cream combo in the movie. I bought the ice cream truck toy and left it in vehicle mode, but I never bought the regular car versions of the twins! I watch every series though, because I want to see how each series varies from the former one. It's like watching my daughter grow and change. So why start a war between us, when we can choose to get along in spite of the differences. From the way these forums get dirty some times you would come to think it was the Autobots who started the war, solely based on the fact that they didn't like the fact Megatron was a gun instead of a car, and had the ability to fly! G1 guys and gals, are we the ones guilty of a war being started over someone being different? In this case liking something different? If so, then maybe we ourselves are not very Optimus like either at our age. Maybe we are killing of the unarmed "Bad" guys without remorse! Why knock Prime in it's first season? That's killing an unarmed "BAD" guy isn't it? Come on, Optimus jumped all over Ratchet for hurting a worker class Decepticon in one episode, and rescued a Decepticon from "evil" humans in another! He is still just as Honorable, Merciful and Caring in Prime, as he was in G1. Regardless of the look of the characters. From one G1'er to the next, get over it! Life is too short, and we are not that "Holy".

By the way, I'm glad the figures will get released soon, Feb/March was looking sooo far away!!! I want every figure they come out with in this line. I just hope the don't flop on these like they did with animated. In spite of the flaws I bought all of them, except the ones Hasbro dropped the ball on. I still want to order them though. Just got to be patient until I have the money. Right now Prime is more important!! My daughter and I love the show!

Well said. I've been met with an equal dose of analytical splitting-of-the-hairs it seems. I think these current figure versions along with their accompanied storyline are very contempory in many ways as has each series BW, RID, energonetc not just politicaly but also in the forms of their animation presentation (and I have to admit that I havn't seen every episode of this seasons "Prime") so forgive me, I didn't get all of your analogies there, however I did get the jist of what you were saying. I wanna keep this targeted toward the figures in discussion but on a side note I don't apologize for being a voice for that which has come before. It's kinda like that cozy feeling you get when you sit down and watch an old Warner Bros. cartoon or old Disney movie for me. Thats all I've been saying, and previously I've been attacked on these boards just for posting a simple emoticon or typing a one sentence response so I've developed a sarcastic thick-skin towards the overall matrix of other opinions on this site, if you type anything on here, there will no doubt be a dozen or so people that disagree...if its a factual disagreement bring it up to them with your evidence, but if its just a difference of opinion be prepared to agree to disagree. But I enjoy the landslide of opinions, thats the fun part of Seibertron.com to me. The moderator guys pick on each other in the podcasts constantly and I'm sure they don't agree 100% on stuff but its that disagreement and disscusion thats entertaining for 2 hrs every other week. I carry a similar view toward these message boards. It's all good.

*Oh, and also StarWars has been rehashed for over 30 years now with new versions of the same figs and I don't see that franchise going anywhere so I respectfully disagree with the assesment that overall change is neccesary (yes I know Star Wars was a bigger phenomenon, but the same people that grew up with the original trilogy grew up with TF and GI Joe etc). If it's not broken, don't fix it. (that sounds like something Scatman Crothers' Jazz persona would say).
Thanks for reading and being patient guys!

Hasbro like any other big company or eneterprise will sell anything that can make profits, moving away from the essence of their own creation. The movies are good if G1 or anthing transformers ever existed, but the fact is that is not. I saw the expecting to finish or be loyal to G1, now that Bay is out and hopefully is out. I hope the new director is a fan that can go more with the roots of transformers. G1 is the begining and like it was mentioned the Prime of the movies is not the Prime of G1 or in many other series. Yes the evolution of everything is innevitable, but without G1 there's no other series. The Prime series still missing the spark of G1 like beast wars on season 1. Is he very same the creators most likely are not fans. On Beastwars they tried to fix it at the end of season 1, then the series are a lot better. Prime depending on how goes season 2 it can be or an update to the series or just another transformers series. And here I draw my line i go for G1 it was part of my childhood and the series are unique.

I'm liking these figures. The way I see it I like the designs of the movie Transformers (mostly) but they're usually too complex to translate well into the figures. Step up the simplified Prime designs.

And now to nitpick: Why is Bumblebee bigger than Cliffjumper??? FAIL!

That's cool. Don't worry I've had my share of harsh words from others myself. Not here, but in other places online. I truly understand your opinion. If you knew my history you would know that to me Optimus in G1 was the dad I didn't have and always wanted. I decided instead that he was the guy I wanted to be and in turn the dad I wanted to be. I served in the U.S Army, then Law Enforcement, Church, etc. trying to model the life the cartoon hero inspired. I can only hope my daughter, when she is older will see why I loved Transformers so much and tried so hard to be like my hero. I may come up short sometimes, but if I can get close, just maybe she will see I tried. So trust me I know exactly what you mean when defending G1 and the way he was then. I'm right behind you 1000%, but when I look at things I try to look for the hero he was, not the things that others say he has become. Like the argument over how he did in DOTM. Though I was never in combat, I've had friends who were and talk a lot to vets when I'm at the VA. From what I've learned from reality, I'd probably of done the same thing. Why, because reality is this. If the Decepticons were real, they would never quit, they would never ever stop until all of us were dead. We face the same reality today. Look at the wars we fight today. Violent men alike kill regardless of who it is, their own people or strangers. So do the Decepticons. Do we allow these men to destoy our world today, like the Decepticons did their world? Or do we give up the fight to save our planet, by not fighting any more, but surrender all our freedoms and become their slaves. Trust me, like the Decepticons they won't stop until we are dead and gone. A new Bad guy will always arise somewhere, to carry on the fight until nothing is left. So can we really blame the road Optimus took in DOTM? If you knew today that if you fall, your family and friends would all die after you and you were already wounded and weak. If you could save them all, would you pull the trigger, even if you lost your life? He had to kill unmercifully in the end, because if he didn't, all he loved would have. Sad trade off I know, an eye for an eye end up being everyone is blind. But I'd rather fall knowing my wife and daughter are free from oppression, than to die wondering if they will be slaves or worse! If I'd admit that, why then would I put my hero down for doing the same thing?
So know that that's of my chest, on to the figures, again! I absolutely love Cliffjumper! I was afraid Hasbro was only going to do the Zombie version. Seeing him here makes me so much happier! I hated that he died the first episode. He has been ignored so much in the past, and he was such a good character. Then they finally do a great character of him only to kill him off in the first show!!! WHY???? Especially with the Rock as his voice! My best friend is not a fan of Transformers, but I helped win him over with the movies thanks to Ironhide. Then I talked him into the shows because he likes the Rock. Now he isn't so happy or involved with it anymore, because the killed his favorite characters off, both of them. Movie Ironhide and TF Prime's Cliffjumper! How can I keep him interested if Hasbro allows them to kill of the best ones? Except the big man himself that is. He is always reborn, unless Hot-Rod sticks his foot in the door!

I just realized it is almost 6am and I'm rambling on over things too much. I had better get a little sleep my daughter will be up soon. I apologize for getting to deep, and if I hurt anyone's feelings. I just think we should look for the good in our heroes, no matter what. Every show deserves it's chance, cartoon or movie. They are still our heroes, whether they are perfect or not. Hasbro and others have been good at giving us new characters and shows, even live action movies. We should at least give them credit for that, they could of just stopped at G1, and they didn't have to even give us that. It's just a business. Legacy, thanks for talking and sharing you opinion, I enjoyed it. I agree on the Star Wars thing too, although they did change it some when they did the new cartoons, and the figures for the series. Really kiddish, like Prime is now. But, that is just my opinion. Have a good Day/Night, which ever you choose to call it. All the rest of you here have a good one too!

First off, thanks for your service to the country, regardless of how much or how little. My grandfather fought in the Pacific Front of WWII and growing up I idolized his war stories that were passed down to me. I agree with everything you said. I too have thought about the actual implications of if Transformers were real...and the bottom line is the human race would be screwed...I don't think they would be polite enough to keep their affiliated symbols visible to us puny humans...all we would know is crazy robots are killing us, screw the good versus bad routine (in other words Autobots would have a hard time proving their good intentions).
My main beef with these figures is they seem too "Animated" looking. I noticed the scale was off with one another as well D'oh. I got a little frustrated with Hasbro earlier this year because of how they pulled the RTS line off shelves by liquidating them to make room for the DOTM line,however they didn't liquidate the other Generations red card stuff that had been on the shelf longer than RTS, and the red cards are still there on shelves and still $12 a pop at most every store I frequent...I can't make rhyme or reason out of those big whigs in charge at Hasbro. I wish they would communicate a little better with us their loyal fanbase instead of "This is what we're putting out and by god your gonna like it." Like the absence of Windchargers in the U.S. so far LOL (I'm still stopping at every CVS I see, lol). So this whole TF:Prime line is a pass for me for multiple reasons. I don't watch the show religiously, just an episode here and there. And also much to the amazment of most of you ,I'm sure, here it is almost November now and I still have not seen Dark of the Moon. Amazed? So I have no idea of how violent Prime waas in that flick. I was so depressed after ROTF that I vowed never again to watch a Bay flick. I visit this website enough to have gotten all of the spoilers so in a way I kinda have seen it blah blah blah. I'll watch it eventually I'm sure, but I'm not gonna spend money to do it. I'm sure Bay/Spielberg and the gang are doing just dandy without me. Again I agree that G1 Prime is one of the most iconic fictional heroes in history and someone said above that TF:Prime is the best cartoon since G1, and thats totally true, no doubt. But I just cant get into it or this new upcoming toyline. Thankfully I've got some Generations figs and some 3rd party stuff to keep me occupied for the time being. The only scenario I can forsee involving me purchasing TFP figures is if one or two ends up being rare and I buy them to sell later on ebay. And HotRod would never stick his foot in the door (yeah right)
*Sorry Blurrrz, I know we got off topic big time, I don't wanna get "counterpunched" here LOL.
Till all are one.

Autobot032 wrote:

dougpassat wrote:But Prime figures aren't coming out til Feb 2012 as per the NYCC 2011 Prime Panel

First Editions come out in November/December.
They include:

Arcee
Bumblebee
Starscream

Optimus Prime/Megatron 2-Pack with Jack, Miko and Raf figurines.

All Deluxe Class.

The rest of the line goes on sale February/March 2012.

The figures are already produced, just a matter of getting them out.

Whew, feb would of been FAR to long of a wait for me. Glad too 'cuz there no other figures i want right now and i REALLY like to spend my moneys.