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Chaoslock wrote:Riiiiight, it was coincidence again that something just against all probability falls from allll the Universe to Earth.

*Sends Orci and Kurtzmann into the Total Perspective Vortex*

Assuming Wheeljack isn't just ignorant of/lying about the reason they wound up back on earth and it is played off as coincidence...

I choose to believe all these cybetronians and cybertronian relics end up on earth because Unicron gives off a sort of resonance that acts like a magnet for free-drifting cybertronian technology and calls to the subconscious of living cybertronians.

Chaoslock wrote:Riiiiight, it was coincidence again that something just against all probability falls from allll the Universe to Earth.

*Sends Orci and Kurtzmann into the Total Perspective Vortex*

But 'Jackie is something we *want* to come back to Earth, as we barely got to know him last time.

No evidence Seaspray was a wrecker.

What is up with Prime and killing off random minibots. Tailgate, Cliffjumper and now Seaspray... this is too much. I mean at this rate Pipes or Outback will be killed off screen in a few episodes soon. That is my guess. If they kill Warpath, I quit.

burning_sirius wrote:What is up with Prime and killing off random minibots. Tailgate, Cliffjumper and now Seaspray... this is too much. I mean Pipes will be killed off screen in a few episodes soon. That is my guess. If they kill Warpath, I quit.

While I do agree with you, consider this as well. Would their deaths make as large an impact on us if they were just some random unnamed or newly-named character instead of one wit ha well known name? Would we feel for them as much if they were just nameless nobodies or noobs instead of recognizably-named characters?

Sabrblade wrote:While I do agree with you, consider this as well. Would their deaths make as large an impact on us if they were just some random unnamed or newly-named character instead of one wit ha well known name? Would we feel for them as much if they were just nameless nobodies or noobs instead of recognizably-named characters?

Nameless nobodies would be the hundreds of late G1 micromasters lol.

QUICK, did Seaspray have any romantic connection to Arcee. I mean that is what kills minibots in this show so far. Fall in love with Arcee and die.

burning_sirius wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:While I do agree with you, consider this as well. Would their deaths make as large an impact on us if they were just some random unnamed or newly-named character instead of one wit ha well known name? Would we feel for them as much if they were just nameless nobodies or noobs instead of recognizably-named characters?

Nameless nobodies would be the hundreds of late G1 micromasters lol.

And what of those Micromasters whose names were applied to more well known characters of later series, like Barricade and Blackout?

burning_sirius wrote:QUICK, did Seaspray have any romantic connection to Arcee. I mean that is what kills minibots in this show so far. Fall in love with Arcee and die.

Being Arcee's assigned teammate =/= being her love interest. Or do you consider Jack... Wait, let's not go there.

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:QUICK, did Seaspray have any romantic connection to Arcee. I mean that is what kills minibots in this show so far. Fall in love with Arcee and die.

Being Arcee's assigned teammate =/= being her love interest. Or do you consider Jack... Wait, let's not go there.

There are hundreds of thousands of ero-manga artists in Japan who resent that comment.

Chaoslock wrote:Riiiiight, it was coincidence again that something just against all probability falls from allll the Universe to Earth.

*Sends Orci and Kurtzmann into the Total Perspective Vortex*

besides the whole unicron thing, which no cybertronians knew about(maybee the original primes but maybe not). Earth was obviously important to the ancients of cybertron and to the bots at some point(s) in time for some reason that hasn't been explained yet.

LOL! Another Autobot down! That's what I like to see

Ugh. Just ugh. Sure, kill off Seaspray within a minute of his introduction without even showing what he looks like or how he acts. That's cool. Not like there's such a thing as generics. Not like you even needed to mention a name.

TF: Prime, everybody.

Downbeat wrote:Ugh. Just ugh. Sure, kill off Seaspray within a minute of his introduction without even showing what he looks like or how he acts. That's cool. Not like there's such a thing as generics. Not like you even needed to mention a name.

TF: Prime, everybody.

Why spend the time and money to develop his model, personality and voice when he is going to die immediately and it doesn't effect the story.

On the reverse side, the reason for making it Seaspray and not an unnamed or new named fodderbot is
1. Little shout-out for old school fans that know the lore. Same as Bantor last week.
2. For said fans it adds emotional weight, we already hate Dreadwing, bastard blew up Seaspray!
3. No name seems out of character...

Wheeljack - "I got a call from an autobot in need of help, but Dreadwing murdered him."
Optimus Prime - "Damn him! Who was it?"
Wheeljack - "Huh, who was what?"
Ratchet - "Who called you, which of our allies died? Ironhide? Sideswipe? Prowl?"
Wheeljack - "Eh, I dunno, some guy."

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:QUICK, did Seaspray have any romantic connection to Arcee. I mean that is what kills minibots in this show so far. Fall in love with Arcee and die.

Being Arcee's assigned teammate =/= being her love interest. Or do you consider Jack... Wait, let's not go there.

Obviously, Jack is not a minibot. Duh~! The Logic goes like this:

IF (Minibot && in love with Arcee)
dead
else
safe

BOTH Tailgate (minibot white Windcharger) AND Cliffjumper (NOT a Bumblebee retool) were in love with Arcee.

What that says about a future Transformer X Fleshy relationship... is up to you of course Sabrblade.

About the micromasters, both Blackout and Barricade in the movieverse have little to do with their G1 namesakes. Thus because they are not countless rehashes, they are fine. Plus, they both die grueling deaths in their movieverse-source material... so I do not see what point you are making.

If anyone now and days thinks of Blackout and Barricade... they are not going to think of their micromasters... this is also shown in Guido's fan art depicting G1 Barricade as sharing Prowl's body-type Marvel style (which is cool). I guess later he got the micromaster body.

burning_sirius wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:QUICK, did Seaspray have any romantic connection to Arcee. I mean that is what kills minibots in this show so far. Fall in love with Arcee and die.

Being Arcee's assigned teammate =/= being her love interest. Or do you consider Jack... Wait, let's not go there.

Obviously, Jack is not a minibot. Duh~! The Logic goes like this:

IF (Minibot && in love with Arcee)
dead
else
safe

BOTH Tailgate (minibot white Windcharger) AND Cliffjumper (NOT a Bumblebee retool) were in love with Arcee.

What that says about a future Transformer X Fleshy relationship... is up to you of course Sabrblade.

You missed my point completely. There is no proof that either Cliffjumper or Tailgate were ever in love with Arcee. both treated her as just a fellow Autobot and friend, and same for her with them.

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:QUICK, did Seaspray have any romantic connection to Arcee. I mean that is what kills minibots in this show so far. Fall in love with Arcee and die.

Being Arcee's assigned teammate =/= being her love interest. Or do you consider Jack... Wait, let's not go there.

Obviously, Jack is not a minibot. Duh~! The Logic goes like this:

IF (Minibot && in love with Arcee)
dead
else
safe

BOTH Tailgate (minibot white Windcharger) AND Cliffjumper (NOT a Bumblebee retool) were in love with Arcee.

What that says about a future Transformer X Fleshy relationship... is up to you of course Sabrblade.

You missed my point completely. There is no proof that either Cliffjumper or Tailgate were ever in love with Arcee. both treated her as just a fellow Autobot and friend, and same for her with them.

Also going on the completely hypothetical, Acree could of had more partners than just Cliffjumper and Tailgate but why are they they only ones she remembers. To me, her heart healed after Tailgate's death and she let Cliffjumper in and BAM he dies too.

To me Arcee is the Doom Bitch of the series. Similar to Yoko from Gurren Lagann. In GL, Yoko only had very brief relationships (like 5 minutes worth) before her victims died.

burning_sirius wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:QUICK, did Seaspray have any romantic connection to Arcee. I mean that is what kills minibots in this show so far. Fall in love with Arcee and die.

Being Arcee's assigned teammate =/= being her love interest. Or do you consider Jack... Wait, let's not go there.

Obviously, Jack is not a minibot. Duh~! The Logic goes like this:

IF (Minibot && in love with Arcee)
dead
else
safe

BOTH Tailgate (minibot white Windcharger) AND Cliffjumper (NOT a Bumblebee retool) were in love with Arcee.

What that says about a future Transformer X Fleshy relationship... is up to you of course Sabrblade.

You missed my point completely. There is no proof that either Cliffjumper or Tailgate were ever in love with Arcee. both treated her as just a fellow Autobot and friend, and same for her with them.

Also going on the completely hypothetical, Acree could of had more partners than just Cliffjumper and Tailgate but why are they they only ones she remembers. To me, her heart healed after Tailgate's death and she let Cliffjumper in and BAM he dies too.

To me Arcee is the Doom Bitch of the series. Similar to Yoko from Gurren Lagann. In GL, Yoko only had very brief relationships (like 5 minutes worth) before her victims died.

well she might remember them because they died horrible horrible deaths......also cliffjumper just died.....grief period and all.

njb902 wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:QUICK, did Seaspray have any romantic connection to Arcee. I mean that is what kills minibots in this show so far. Fall in love with Arcee and die.

Being Arcee's assigned teammate =/= being her love interest. Or do you consider Jack... Wait, let's not go there.

Obviously, Jack is not a minibot. Duh~! The Logic goes like this:

IF (Minibot && in love with Arcee)
dead
else
safe

BOTH Tailgate (minibot white Windcharger) AND Cliffjumper (NOT a Bumblebee retool) were in love with Arcee.

What that says about a future Transformer X Fleshy relationship... is up to you of course Sabrblade.

You missed my point completely. There is no proof that either Cliffjumper or Tailgate were ever in love with Arcee. both treated her as just a fellow Autobot and friend, and same for her with them.

Also going on the completely hypothetical, Acree could of had more partners than just Cliffjumper and Tailgate but why are they they only ones she remembers. To me, her heart healed after Tailgate's death and she let Cliffjumper in and BAM he dies too.

To me Arcee is the Doom Bitch of the series. Similar to Yoko from Gurren Lagann. In GL, Yoko only had very brief relationships (like 5 minutes worth) before her victims died.

well she might remember them because they died horrible horrible deaths......also cliffjumper just died.....grief period and all.

Given how fragile Transformers are in Prime (this is not the Unicron Trilogy), character deaths I imagine happen all the time. I mean after a million years or so you think it would be routine another statistic added to the body count... idk, I like my war series that have tons of death to be a bit more realistic in this regard. Unless Arcee had a huge personal attachment to them, then that would be when she would care. I mean think about the thousands of Cybertronians who have died. Does she care about them all?? Or does she care about every Autobot who has been her partner who has died. Canonically, only Tailgate and Cliffjumper ones who are... but to me she should of had tons of partners. Again, I admit this is not Legend of the Galactic Heroes... but I wish Transformers would get a series on that kind of level so that we would not have arguments over Arcee and her partners/(potential love interests).

I still maintain their deaths hold more weight for her if they were her lovers.

njb902 wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:Riiiiight, it was coincidence again that something just against all probability falls from allll the Universe to Earth.

*Sends Orci and Kurtzmann into the Total Perspective Vortex*

besides the whole unicron thing, which no cybertronians knew about(maybee the original primes but maybe not). Earth was obviously important to the ancients of cybertron and to the bots at some point(s) in time for some reason that hasn't been explained yet.

I'm also discounting "coincidence" with the possibility that Dreadwing was either summoned by Megatron, or decided on his own to rendezvous with Megatron's team. Tried to shake Wheeljack all he could, but ended up getting shot during the final approach.

"Led me back to this marble..."

burning_sirius wrote:

njb902 wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:QUICK, did Seaspray have any romantic connection to Arcee. I mean that is what kills minibots in this show so far. Fall in love with Arcee and die.

Being Arcee's assigned teammate =/= being her love interest. Or do you consider Jack... Wait, let's not go there.

Obviously, Jack is not a minibot. Duh~! The Logic goes like this:

IF (Minibot && in love with Arcee)
dead
else
safe

BOTH Tailgate (minibot white Windcharger) AND Cliffjumper (NOT a Bumblebee retool) were in love with Arcee.

What that says about a future Transformer X Fleshy relationship... is up to you of course Sabrblade.

You missed my point completely. There is no proof that either Cliffjumper or Tailgate were ever in love with Arcee. both treated her as just a fellow Autobot and friend, and same for her with them.

Also going on the completely hypothetical, Acree could of had more partners than just Cliffjumper and Tailgate but why are they they only ones she remembers. To me, her heart healed after Tailgate's death and she let Cliffjumper in and BAM he dies too.

To me Arcee is the Doom Bitch of the series. Similar to Yoko from Gurren Lagann. In GL, Yoko only had very brief relationships (like 5 minutes worth) before her victims died.

well she might remember them because they died horrible horrible deaths......also cliffjumper just died.....grief period and all.

Given how fragile Transformers are in Prime (this is not the Unicron Trilogy), character deaths I imagine happen all the time. I mean after a million years or so you think it would be routine another statistic added to the body count... idk, I like my war series that have tons of death to be a bit more realistic in this regard. Unless Arcee had a huge personal attachment to them, then that would be when she would care. I mean think about the thousands of Cybertronians who have died. Does she care about them all?? Or does she care about every Autobot who has been her partner who has died. Canonically, only Tailgate and Cliffjumper ones who are... but to me she should of had tons of partners. Again, I admit this is not Legend of the Galactic Heroes... but I wish Transformers would get a series on that kind of level so that we would not have arguments over Arcee and her partners/(potential love interests).

I still maintain their deaths hold more weight for her if they were her lovers.

you very well could be right....assuming transformers mate.

as for the thousands that died...individuals have dificulty comprehending large numbers of death....individual or groups that they personally know affect people very differently than large statistics. I know tranaformers are not human......but they aeem very similar emotionaly to us.

The Variable wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Chaoslock wrote:Riiiiight, it was coincidence again that something just against all probability falls from allll the Universe to Earth.

*Sends Orci and Kurtzmann into the Total Perspective Vortex*

besides the whole unicron thing, which no cybertronians knew about(maybee the original primes but maybe not). Earth was obviously important to the ancients of cybertron and to the bots at some point(s) in time for some reason that hasn't been explained yet.

I'm also discounting "coincidence" with the possibility that Dreadwing was either summoned by Megatron, or decided on his own to rendezvous with Megatron's team. Tried to shake Wheeljack all he could, but ended up getting shot during the final approach.

"Led me back to this marble..."

GAIKING THE GREATO!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-nzVrHlkTE

I maintain Gaiking could totally beat Prime Megatron.

On the topic, since Air Commander Starscream is gone, it would make sense to get some new commander for all the flyers.

njb902 wrote:
you very well could be right....assuming transformers mate.

as for the thousands that died...individuals have dificulty comprehending large numbers of death....individual or groups that they personally know affect people very differently than large statistics. I know tranaformers are not human......but they aeem very similar emotionaly to us.

Ever sense the first Female Transformer Elita One, Transformers have been in relationships with 'male' Transformers. There is definitely a sexual dichotomy there.

burning_sirius wrote:

njb902 wrote:
you very well could be right....assuming transformers mate.

as for the thousands that died...individuals have dificulty comprehending large numbers of death....individual or groups that they personally know affect people very differently than large statistics. I know tranaformers are not human......but they aeem very similar emotionaly to us.

Ever sense the first Female Transformer Elita One, Transformers have been in relationships with 'male' Transformers. There is definitely a sexual dichotomy there.

not sure if I agree with sexual dichotomy......not sure if its something hasbro has considered for a childs toy line..even if there are male and female

though beast wars makes me unsure of that.

No body means he's not officially dead. Transformers have survived bigger explosions. (I'm in denial.)

According to IMDB were getting jetfire, crankcase and crowbar this episode. I wonder if any are going to be permanent or just more flashbacks?