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I FU(KING HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY MONEY IS GOING ON EBAY NOT YOU IDIOTS! I WANTED PRIME, BULKHEAD AND CLIFFJUMPER! YOU ASS HATS WAS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR?! you clowns made a lot of unhappy people.

I am so pissed that I am missing out on that awesome FE vehicon !!!! Everyone going to Botcon knows what to do, everyone that is pissed off...when at the Hasbro panel, everybody stand up and let Hasbro know that you are pissed off and make sure they know what they did wrong. I will be bringing this to their attention during TFCON.

Autobot032 wrote:I can't wait to see what PRID Bulkhead looks like. >_<

I don´t wanna know... RID CJ looks crappy enough, i don´t need to see more.

Well, there goes the pre-order from BBTS and with it, the RID line. Soundwave and Ratchet i will see but that stupid light gimmick crap and all that cyberverse stuff they can keep for sure.

Ebay or not i will make the First Editions complete, Hasbro and Takara and then i think i´ll go back focusing on filling holes in older toylines. Still miss some reissue g1 figures and a lot of Unicron Trilogy toys. So more money for ebay sellers and the rest for Takara and Third Party.

And nothing for Hasbro anymore. I hope Hasbro will pay for f****** over all collectors with the First Editions.
Sorry for BBTS but pre-orders changed from FE to RID will be canceled.

This drives me mad! Bleed for it Hasbro, i hope you do!

i could care less about the FE vehicon because the main line one is better. but GOD DAMN I AM PISSED!!!!! I AM NOT BUYING A SINGLE MAIN LINE TOY UNTIL I GET THOSE VOYAGERS AND CLIFFJUMPER! ASS HOLES!

Matrix_Holder wrote:I am so pissed that I am missing out on that awesome FE vehicon !!!! Everyone going to Botcon knows what to do, everyone that is pissed off...when at the Hasbro panel, everybody stand up and let Hasbro know that you are pissed off and make sure they know what they did wrong. I will be bringing this to their attention during TFCON.

And when you do this, please don't be shy about saying BULL****!!! when they try to gloss it over with some lame corporate double speak garbage that answers nothing.

I think the toys are suffering because they're no longer their main concern. I think it's all about the movies and entertainment properties. I wouldn't be surprised to see toys decline or be spun off to a separate company.

I said this when they said they were becoming a multimedia company, I hope to be proven wrong.

-Kanrabat- wrote:I feel for you Amarican who can never have these figures at reasonable prices. But I juggle with sadistic glee that I got my revenge on all the ones I missed and I had to buy on Ebay because I live in Québec. (Glaring at you, MP Rodimus and 25th Unicron).

This is the best maple-flavored vengeance you have visited upon us since you guys burned Washington about two centuries ago, oh mighty Northern neighbor!

*tip of the hat*

And this is coming from the company that some people worship like if they were the "Sky Gods" themselves...

If CHMS starts poppin out TF Prime first edition figures will you still come to rushing Hasbro's defense ???

Or will you beg Mike to open up shop under a new name ???

Cobalt Prime wrote:

Matrix_Holder wrote:I am so pissed that I am missing out on that awesome FE vehicon !!!! Everyone going to Botcon knows what to do, everyone that is pissed off...when at the Hasbro panel, everybody stand up and let Hasbro know that you are pissed off and make sure they know what they did wrong. I will be bringing this to their attention during TFCON.

And when you do this, please don't be shy about saying BULL****!!! when they try to gloss it over with some lame corporate double speak garbage that answers nothing.

I like that idea. How many thousands are going to botcon? They can't ignore a question asked that many times. Hold the sons of bitches accountable for treating us fans like this.

well you guys will be able to, I don't live anywhere near texas...

i was going to spend my money on this line perhaps 100's
but if there going to show us a few cool molds then replace them
with ones that suck (like cliffjumper and now arcee) then f-it
the old bait and switch scam thanks hasblow

So, here's my theory as to why this has happened:

My understanding is that the molds that became First Edition were slated to be part of Generations before the Dark of the Moon, and had been designed and tooled quite some time ago.

My supposition is that these toys were physically being produced when HasTak discovered that, for whatever reason, that this was not going to happen, so they stopped production on these molds without having completed a very large run.

It's pretty apparent from the differences between the DOTM toys and those previous that a number of design philosophy decisions have changed at Hasbro, so when it was time to move forward with Prime toys again the FE molds were no longer consistent with the direction they wanted to take the line, and it was probably not cost effective to bring them back online to increase the total number of figures produced to an order suitable for American big-box store.

There were enough to satisfy the needs of TRU Canada, though they probably ended up taking pretty much all of them (which resulted in none being left over for online distributors like BBTS).

Another possible scenario might involve changes in manufacturing facilities, which might have caused complications with the availability of toolings.

(I know Takara-Tomy has been slated to be moving their manufacturing to Vietnam and had already done so; I wonder how far along in this process they are, and where the First Edition and Robots in Disguise toys are/were being manufactured....)

I pull my head out of homework to get this lousy news?

It explains why I can't find them.

I think my irritation over this doesn't require words.

Anyone that can help me acquire Cliffjumper, Prime and Bulkhead will forever be on my awesome list.

Rated X wrote:And this is coming from the company that some people worship like if they were the "Sky Gods" themselves...

If CHMS starts poppin out TF Prime first edition figures will you still come to rushing Hasbro's defense ???

Or will you beg Mike to open up shop under a new name ???

You know they'll bitch.
















Then go order when no one's looking.

what about takara fe? will they stop making those to?

Autobot032 wrote:

Rated X wrote:And this is coming from the company that some people worship like if they were the "Sky Gods" themselves...

If CHMS starts poppin out TF Prime first edition figures will you still come to rushing Hasbro's defense ???

Or will you beg Mike to open up shop under a new name ???

You know they'll bitch.

Then go order when no one's looking.

This certainly does create a situation in which some 'midnight specials' could become quite lucrative, though that once again does depend on the status of the tooling.

Egads, I've learned waaaaaay too much about how manufacturing in China works....

Rated X wrote:...
If CHMS starts poppin out TF Prime first edition figures will you still come to rushing Hasbro's defense ???
...

Even if so, whats the use... They would still be KO´s and bevor i spend my money on a fake i do spend it somewhere else or not all.

Hope BotCon has good security personal this year, from what i hear, they should always have an eye out on the Hasbro section.


Hasbro really knows what collectors want and delivers:

No Animated Season 4
No Animated Voyager Thundercracker
No Animated Voyager Blackout (Thanks Takara)
No RTS Frenzy / Rumble (Thanks Takara)
No DOTM Soundwave or Que
No DOTM HA Soundwave
No Prime Voyager Bulkhead
No Prime Voyager Optimus Prime
No Prime DX Cliffjumper
No Prime Entertainment Package

Hell, why do i even buy Hasbro TF anymore when i simply just should stay with Takara and Third Party only?

Instead Hasbro gives us a totally screwed DOTM toyline with a voyager Prime that looks like an up-scaled FastActionBattler and now they do the same to TF:Prime.
Why bring out the good stuff when you can sell crap instead, thanks Hasbro!

Hmm, if my friends don't find any (my TRU got nothing), I'll probably give up on the line. Can't afford the online prices, and if I could have only one, I'd like the Vehicon, who seems to be the [most] impossible one to find. Cliffjumper would be second. :/

Laserwave13 wrote:

Rated X wrote:...
If CHMS starts poppin out TF Prime first edition figures will you still come to rushing Hasbro's defense ???
...

Even if so, whats the use... They would still be KO´s and bevor i spend my money on a fake i do spend it somewhere else or not all.

Dont confuse the quality of CHMS or KOLD with the quality of those cheap neon colored Chinese KO's. From a quality perspective, CHMS is basically Hasbro without the corporate shmuck. That is unless that little stamp on the right leg that reads "Hasbro" has sentimental value to you.

I see you like animated. Did you ever physically see the CHMS animated Chromia and Medic ???

Quality top notch. I highly recommend them.

metaphorge wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I feel for you Amarican who can never have these figures at reasonable prices. But I juggle with sadistic glee that I got my revenge on all the ones I missed and I had to buy on Ebay because I live in Québec. (Glaring at you, MP Rodimus and 25th Unicron).

This is the best maple-flavored vengeance you have visited upon us since you guys burned Washington about two centuries ago, oh mighty Northern neighbor!

*tip of the hat*

I Fully support KO and 3rd party figures now. Hasbro is doing everything in its power to alienate and Piss off the very people that kept transformers going all these years, WE THE COLLECTORS!!!!! I never see kids in the toy isle looking for Transformers... only bakugan, pokemon, bayblades and ben 10 and all that other crap....Hasbro has no idea who is actually buying their toys at all and they don't care. They have said as much when they said
"we decide what each region wants ." I don't remember what interview I read that in..just stuck in my head. I wish that Takara would just buy out Hasbro and send the haslow execs out on their asses and run the transformers brand like they do in Japan, for the collectors.

Laserwave13 wrote:Hasbro really knows what collectors want and delivers:

No Animated Season 4
No Animated Voyager Thundercracker
No Animated Voyager Blackout (Thanks Takara)
No RTS Frenzy / Rumble (Thanks Takara)
No DOTM Soundwave or Que
No DOTM HA Soundwave
No Prime Voyager Bulkhead
No Prime Voyager Optimus Prime
No Prime DX Cliffjumper
No Prime Entertainment Package

Actually...

No Animated Season 4
No Animated Voyager Thundercracker
No Animated Voyager Blackout (Thanks Takara)
No RTS Frenzy / Rumble (Thanks Takara)
No DOTM Soundwave or Que (Thanks Takara)
No DOTM HA Soundwave (Thanks Takara)
No Prime Voyager Bulkhead (Was produced by both Hasbro and Takara.)
No Prime Voyager Optimus Prime (Was produced by both Hasbro and Takara.)
No Prime DX Cliffjumper (Was produced by both Hasbro and Takara.)
No Prime Entertainment Package (Was produced by Hasbro.)

Soundwave (both versions) was produced and released by Takara. (Apparently RobotKingdom has the Hasbro version of the Deluxe available for sale.)

Que was produced and released by Takara.

No matter how you slice it, Hasbro DID produce the First Edition figures, no matter how small the run. Can't discredit them when the fact is that they did make the figures.

Laserwave13 wrote:Hell, why do i even buy Hasbro TF anymore when i simply just should stay with Takara and Third Party only?

Because they do provide us with Generations and spinoff lines that contain a good portion of what we clamor for. Even though the wait and distribution is a killer.

Laserwave13 wrote:Instead Hasbro gives us a totally screwed DOTM toyline with a voyager Prime that looks like an up-scaled FastActionBattler and now they do the same to TF:Prime.
Why bring out the good stuff when you can sell crap instead, thanks Hasbro!

Fair question. However, I think it can be said that the complexities ruined it for the kids and kids have always been their main audience. Will continue to be, as well. So, they dumbed everything down.

It worked for Power Rangers, apparently it can work for TransFormers. Either that, or Hasbro has just decided to do the least work for the most gain. I'm gonna go with least work for most gain.

I'm sure they have a rhyme or reason for these delays, or at least did, but they can't be cost efficient. They must be cutting into their bottom line.

This is like a TV show. Starts off okay, then it declines in ratings. In an effort to save it, the reboot it, midseason, in the hopes that it'll bring in new viewers, or at least return the ones who left. It rarely, if ever, works.

Problem is, this isn't a TV show, and this shift akin to a reboot, just doesn't and won't work. It might sell with the kids, might, but even they're not dumb.

They dropped the ball with Animated, the really didn't get it with the overcompensation of movie toys and now they're premiering the toyline almost a YEAR after the series started. We were through an entire first SEASON before we ever saw the toys at retail.

That's not a sensible business model, it just isn't. You don't sell a product to kids and collectors and drive up demand, when there's no supply to be had. Why hype a product you don't even have? To me, that sounds illegal. Most businesses caught doing that, get busted by the law.

Why is Hasbro above reproach?

You really have screwed this up, Hasbro. The First Edition toys were fine for both kids and collectors. You're pushing PRID on an audience that won't want it. It'll sell well in the beginning, but once the awe/wow factor wears off (which will be quick), you'll see sales plummet like a rock.

Animated 2.0? I think so. Your lesson, when will you learn it?

@Rated X

Hi, i have read a lot about the CHMS stuff and that it has good to perfect quality but no, never had anything from them in hand to see for myself.

The Cromia and Medic repaints of Arcee were tempting and i consider those more like variations that are not officially available anyway. But i would hate it if i, say, like to buy and original Henkei Ghost Screamer from ebay and get a KO instead, even if it is a good KO. But i am not like totally against KO figures, it just depends which i would buy and which not. Anyhow, now i would not know were to get them anymore since this one special website were they have been offered is closed as we all know.
(would have ordered the Dino Cassettes, those are simply impossible to find original, not mentioning the price. Did they release the KO SG Rodimus and Henkei Wildrider or was it too late?)

Any yes, i´m a big fan of Animated
Still sad that there was no season 4 and not even a Season 3 DVD release

@Autobot032
Hi and sorry if my post sounded a little harsh. All those emotions

Yes i know about the Takara DOTM Soundwave(s) and Que but they are far from worth the import prices.
(see, germany is a barren wasteland for a TF collector, we even have to import from the states a lot of stuff. Most toylines we get about half or less and almost zero exclusives)
That is also why it hit´s so hard to see that there are no more TF:Prime FE toys anymore.

But about Generations... Well, United but still nothing beats Henkei

Yeah this is Bull ****, the US hasn't seen one FE Bulkhead or Optimus hit the shelves. So here is great idea if the store shelves weren't overloaded with DOTM Bumblebees then they would order new stuff. Seriously they have 10 on the shelves here in the states, and have so many version of BB it makes me sick.

Rated X wrote:

Laserwave13 wrote:

Rated X wrote:...
If CHMS starts poppin out TF Prime first edition figures will you still come to rushing Hasbro's defense ???
...

Even if so, whats the use... They would still be KO´s and bevor i spend my money on a fake i do spend it somewhere else or not all.

Dont confuse the quality of CHMS or KOLD with the quality of those cheap neon colored Chinese KO's. From a quality perspective, CHMS is basically Hasbro without the corporate shmuck. That is unless that little stamp on the right leg that reads "Hasbro" has sentimental value to you.

I see you like animated. Did you ever physically see the CHMS animated Chromia and Medic ???

Quality top notch. I highly recommend them.

To be fair, CHMS is not quite up to Hasbro's manufacturing standards yet, but they are within striking distance.

I find the concern about the "authenticity" of recently manufactured items to be kind of quaint. There are legitimate questions concerning right to profit off of intellectual property, and there are legitimate concerns regarding authenticity of essentially an antique, but there's only so far you can go before questioning which of two plastic items of indistinguisable quantity is "fake" before you become a Monty Puthon sketch.

Eventually we'll just be able to buy the design files from Hasbro and have them printed at the corner plastic vendor, then take them home and screw them together ourselves if we're still so anachronistic as to want to play with a physical item....