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this has to be a prototype..hopefully
the figure its self looks great it would look better
without that paint job than with
if its for real that's the most laziest crappy jobs
i have seen on a deluxe figure
i don't recall any deluxe size TF paint app that sucked this bad

Do not want.

I actually don't like his forearms or lower legs. and the figure as a whole doesn't sell the character to me. Paintjob aside.

The chest looks far better how it's transformed here than what we've seen in the past though. :/

When I get this, i might just strip the paint and turn him into Dawn of Futures Past Terrorsaur. I know in the fiction he is based on Energon Skyblast but I think it would look nice next to the rest of the set.

Counterpunch wrote:I can't understand the positive reactions to this.

I actually can't understand all the negative. The only real problems I see are a)the paint deco on the doors is wrong and a bit strange and b)the magenta is a strange hue that doesn't blend as well as I'd prefer. It could stand to be darker. You have to know Reprolabels will do something about the door decos. The rest I can live with. The bot mode and weapon are clean and uncluttered. I'm quite surprised to see this response from you considering how positive you've been with much of the current domestic stuff. Just my two cents, bud.

The torso is actually decent in these pics, although the hips look weird and the two-tone colors are horrendous.

The mold itself looks good enough, though.

I guess I'll have to wait for the Takara imports for better paint--... [remembers the stickers on Takara's PRID figs].

[Sighs] Nevermind. Seems like I'll have to skip this one. Fixing the red is no problem with a rattle can of spray, but the silver accents are way beyond my beginner level modeling skills.

Flux Convoy wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I can't understand the positive reactions to this.

I actually can't understand all the negative. The only real problems I see are a)the paint deco on the doors is wrong and a bit strange and b)the magenta is a strange hue that doesn't blend as well as I'd prefer. It could stand to be darker. You have to know Reprolabels will do something about the door decos. The rest I can live with. The bot mode and weapon are clean and uncluttered. I'm quite surprised to see this response from you considering how positive you've been with much of the current domestic stuff. Just my two cents, bud.

Then you know I'm not just spouting off here.

The robot mode is suffering from several hollow points that had this figure been done a year ago, we would not be seeing. His shoulder pads are not right in their position, angle, or color. The arms do the same trick that pRID Cliffjumper does so poorly.

The deco of the car speaks poorly of itself. I don't have to say much. The fact that we're all hoping Reprolabels fixes this before we even have it in hand speaks volumes.

Here's the real issue. This is a character who is supposed to look good. He's supposed to be the best looking alt mode going. I could forgive some of the bot mode issues if I could look at this and say, "Hey, they really understand the character...look at those alt mode paint aps."

What this figure tells me is a confirmation of a somewhat sneaking suspicion I've had about this line...it's not a priority. When I see stuff like this, I know Hasbro has learned the wrong lesson from the success of selling toys in the movie line.

Knockout should be fantastic. He should get the lion's share of paint aps in a given assortment. His appearance should be over the top. At the very least it should be the best in the assortment. Frankly, Hot Shot has more care given to him and he's not even a show character.

Why are they bothering to do such a good show with intricate character designs only to push out inferior product to anything that's come through in the past two years?

I'm not even like a huge Knockout fan or anything. I'm not trying to be confrontational with anyone who likes this toy and I'm not trying to be a dick to other fans here.

I've never gone around saying that toys are getting worse or that "it used to be better way back when".

That being said...I really am starting to think that we've peaked. If this is the best Hasbro can do, then we've entered a whole new age of compromise. And if that's the case, my collecting dollars really will go to other places that do not cut corners.

Counterpunch wrote:

Flux Convoy wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I can't understand the positive reactions to this.

I actually can't understand all the negative. The only real problems I see are a)the paint deco on the doors is wrong and a bit strange and b)the magenta is a strange hue that doesn't blend as well as I'd prefer. It could stand to be darker. You have to know Reprolabels will do something about the door decos. The rest I can live with. The bot mode and weapon are clean and uncluttered. I'm quite surprised to see this response from you considering how positive you've been with much of the current domestic stuff. Just my two cents, bud.

Then you know I'm not just spouting off here.

The robot mode is suffering from several hollow points that had this figure been done a year ago, we would not be seeing. His shoulder pads are not right in their position, angle, or color. The arms do the same trick that pRID Cliffjumper does so poorly.

The deco of the car speaks poorly of itself. I don't have to say much. The fact that we're all hoping Reprolabels fixes this before we even have it in hand speaks volumes.

Here's the real issue. This is a character who is supposed to look good. He's supposed to be the best looking alt mode going. I could forgive some of the bot mode issues if I could look at this and say, "Hey, they really understand the character...look at those alt mode paint aps."

What this figure tells me is a confirmation of a somewhat sneaking suspicion I've had about this line...it's not a priority. When I see stuff like this, I know Hasbro has learned the wrong lesson from the success of selling toys in the movie line.

Knockout should be fantastic. He should get the lion's share of paint aps in a given assortment. His appearance should be over the top. At the very least it should be the best in the assortment. Frankly, Hot Shot has more care given to him and he's not even a show character.

Why are they bothering to do such a good show with intricate character designs only to push out inferior product to anything that's come through in the past two years?

I'm not even like a huge Knockout fan or anything. I'm not trying to be confrontational with anyone who likes this toy and I'm not trying to be a dick to other fans here.

I've never gone around saying that toys are getting worse or that "it used to be better way back when".

That being said...I really am starting to think that we've peaked. If this is the best Hasbro can do, then we've entered a whole new age of compromise. And if that's the case, my collecting dollars really will go to other places that do not cut corners.

The real issue IMO is the hollowness of the mold. He looks like a bunch of panels folded up to look like he's a solid robot. All the rest is a matter of taste, really.

RhA wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Flux Convoy wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I can't understand the positive reactions to this.

I actually can't understand all the negative. The only real problems I see are a)the paint deco on the doors is wrong and a bit strange and b)the magenta is a strange hue that doesn't blend as well as I'd prefer. It could stand to be darker. You have to know Reprolabels will do something about the door decos. The rest I can live with. The bot mode and weapon are clean and uncluttered. I'm quite surprised to see this response from you considering how positive you've been with much of the current domestic stuff. Just my two cents, bud.

Then you know I'm not just spouting off here.

The robot mode is suffering from several hollow points that had this figure been done a year ago, we would not be seeing. His shoulder pads are not right in their position, angle, or color. The arms do the same trick that pRID Cliffjumper does so poorly.

The deco of the car speaks poorly of itself. I don't have to say much. The fact that we're all hoping Reprolabels fixes this before we even have it in hand speaks volumes.

Here's the real issue. This is a character who is supposed to look good. He's supposed to be the best looking alt mode going. I could forgive some of the bot mode issues if I could look at this and say, "Hey, they really understand the character...look at those alt mode paint aps."

What this figure tells me is a confirmation of a somewhat sneaking suspicion I've had about this line...it's not a priority. When I see stuff like this, I know Hasbro has learned the wrong lesson from the success of selling toys in the movie line.

Knockout should be fantastic. He should get the lion's share of paint aps in a given assortment. His appearance should be over the top. At the very least it should be the best in the assortment. Frankly, Hot Shot has more care given to him and he's not even a show character.

Why are they bothering to do such a good show with intricate character designs only to push out inferior product to anything that's come through in the past two years?

I'm not even like a huge Knockout fan or anything. I'm not trying to be confrontational with anyone who likes this toy and I'm not trying to be a dick to other fans here.

I've never gone around saying that toys are getting worse or that "it used to be better way back when".

That being said...I really am starting to think that we've peaked. If this is the best Hasbro can do, then we've entered a whole new age of compromise. And if that's the case, my collecting dollars really will go to other places that do not cut corners.

The real issue IMO is the hollowness of the mold. He looks like a bunch of panels folded up to look like he's a solid robot. All the rest is a matter of taste, really.

Are you saying that it's a matter of taste as to whether or not a toy and the character it represents should reflect the fictional portrayal?

I think he looks okay, but not okay enough to justify the probable price tag. I'm with Counterpunch on this one, Knockout should look awesome if only because that's how the character is portrayed and it would have been super-easy to make it happen. Sorry if I seem to be putting words in your mouth CP, not my intention.

Counterpunch wrote:

RhA wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Flux Convoy wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:I can't understand the positive reactions to this.

I actually can't understand all the negative. The only real problems I see are a)the paint deco on the doors is wrong and a bit strange and b)the magenta is a strange hue that doesn't blend as well as I'd prefer. It could stand to be darker. You have to know Reprolabels will do something about the door decos. The rest I can live with. The bot mode and weapon are clean and uncluttered. I'm quite surprised to see this response from you considering how positive you've been with much of the current domestic stuff. Just my two cents, bud.

Then you know I'm not just spouting off here.

The robot mode is suffering from several hollow points that had this figure been done a year ago, we would not be seeing. His shoulder pads are not right in their position, angle, or color. The arms do the same trick that pRID Cliffjumper does so poorly.

The deco of the car speaks poorly of itself. I don't have to say much. The fact that we're all hoping Reprolabels fixes this before we even have it in hand speaks volumes.

Here's the real issue. This is a character who is supposed to look good. He's supposed to be the best looking alt mode going. I could forgive some of the bot mode issues if I could look at this and say, "Hey, they really understand the character...look at those alt mode paint aps."

What this figure tells me is a confirmation of a somewhat sneaking suspicion I've had about this line...it's not a priority. When I see stuff like this, I know Hasbro has learned the wrong lesson from the success of selling toys in the movie line.

Knockout should be fantastic. He should get the lion's share of paint aps in a given assortment. His appearance should be over the top. At the very least it should be the best in the assortment. Frankly, Hot Shot has more care given to him and he's not even a show character.

Why are they bothering to do such a good show with intricate character designs only to push out inferior product to anything that's come through in the past two years?

I'm not even like a huge Knockout fan or anything. I'm not trying to be confrontational with anyone who likes this toy and I'm not trying to be a dick to other fans here.

I've never gone around saying that toys are getting worse or that "it used to be better way back when".

That being said...I really am starting to think that we've peaked. If this is the best Hasbro can do, then we've entered a whole new age of compromise. And if that's the case, my collecting dollars really will go to other places that do not cut corners.

The real issue IMO is the hollowness of the mold. He looks like a bunch of panels folded up to look like he's a solid robot. All the rest is a matter of taste, really.

Are you saying that it's a matter of taste as to whether or not a toy and the character it represents should reflect the fictional portrayal?

As much as I agree with the obvious quality issues, I really don't think the kids are going to give a rat's patootie about it.