Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
PrimeStriker wrote:Okay, there could not be a character in Prime named "Hot Rod" because of:
A) They no longer have the rights to that name
B) Hot Rod is not the name of any character in the Aligned Continuity, 'nor is it possible because of Hot Shot's standing in the continuity.
Clear enough?
Sabrblade wrote:What PrimeStriker is saying is that, in this continuity, Rodimus = Hot Shot, not Hot Rod.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.Um... what about him makes him fit into Japanese TF: Prime but not American TF: Prime?KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:As for Hot Shot, Hasbro did make it clear that he does fit in the PRIME portion of the continuity, as it is their series and continuity. However, as I also said, I think that he would be a poor choice on the grounds that having another warrior-type ground vehicle would be a mistake. Granted, who he is fits the Japanese version of the series. Just not this version.On Prime, it is not G1. It is a separate continuity (the Aligned Continuity)KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki).
On Exodus, it is tied to both War for Cybertron (as it tells the same basic story) and the Prime cartoon (as episode 26 flashed back to it).
On the video games, they are the ancient history era of the Prime cartoon's universe.
On Rescue Bots, it takes place in the same present day as Prime. As the very person who added all the Rescue Bots info into the Aligned Timeline TFWiki page, I can say that any Rescue Bots info on the page that takes place prior to the present was added in from either flashbacks or plot exposition of past events from the present day characters.Well, then that's not our problem. The Aligned Continuity is HASBRO'S baby, not TakaraTomy's. TakaraTomy has contributed minimal bits to the Aligned continuity compared to Hasbro. Between the two of them, it's Hasbro who has the higher say when it comes to the Aligned Continuity since they the ones who created and are developing it.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite.
Ultra Markus wrote:red energon? will that make all the TFs act very aggressive(just kidding)
as far as the new character lets wait and see what we have
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Wait, WHAT?! When was THAT ever said? That's utter nonsense.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:B) You are not Hasbro, so please do not talk on their behalf. Because in truth, if he is part of the main Transformers: Prime line, it means that he will either be a guest character, a background character, or even a passing reference.
What is wrong with you? The guy from War for Cybertron IS Sentinel Zeta Prime. "Sentinel" is his title, while "Zeta" is his name (with "Prime" being his rank).KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, also, Hasbro tried to claim that Zeta Prime's name is actually Sentinel Zeta Prime at BotCon 2010, when it comes to the continuity errors between the book and game.
Technically, "Team Magnus", the Wreckers, are a disbanded bunch, so they are a team no longer.KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Besides... The main reason why he is not going to be part of "Team Prime" is because he profile has him sound more like a "Team Magnus" character, Prime. So while I assume he may debut in the Arcee related episode, I am sure we will not see more of him until either the end of season 2 or the start of season 3.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:PrimeStriker wrote:Okay, there could not be a character in Prime named "Hot Rod" because of:
A) They no longer have the rights to that name
B) Hot Rod is not the name of any character in the Aligned Continuity, 'nor is it possible because of Hot Shot's standing in the continuity.
Clear enough?
Okay... Snipping the rest for space.
A) Hasbro never had the rights to the name. The main reason why they dropped it is because they could not copyright the name. However, there was no talks about them calling him (or any other character) "Autobot Hot Rod"... As the addition of "Autobot" and "Decepticon" to a name is how they copyright names that they cannot own.
B) Not true. Besides the addition of "Autobot" to the name, Hasbro has the right to give the name to a minor character that would never be marketed. Plus, they can use it as a joke or a question towards Hot Shot, as a reference to both the fact he looked like Rodimus in the DS "War for Cybertron - Autobot" game and was named "Rodimus" in the "Bumblebee at Tyger Pax" story.
Aaron Archer wrote:According to Aaron Archer at the BotCon 2010 Activision panel, the character was named "Hot Shot" due to "Hot Rod" being an unprotectable name. Hasbro later revealed that they didn't name him Rodimus because they wanted fans to see how he became Rodimus.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
B) You are not Hasbro, so please do not talk on their behalf. Because in truth, if he is part of the main Transformers: Prime line, it means that he will either be a guest character, a background character, or even a passing reference. Plus, also, Hasbro tried to claim that Zeta Prime's name is actually Sentinel Zeta Prime at BotCon 2010, when it comes to the continuity errors between the book and game.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:C) And finally... Here is an observation: You chose to talk down to somebody you do not know. As in try to sound superior. Yet, you tell me not to do that because it is not okay. Do you know the definition tied to such an act? Because I took it as the character, not the name. And I even gave you a chance to say "I meant the name, not the character" at that point of time.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:So yeah... Try to not tell me what to do or how to be when you cannot do that yourself. Because while I do rant a lot about facts and such, I also do not talk down to others like you have to me. And besides, I am trying to see you as a fellow Transformers fan. But with that attitude... I cannot until you... "CALM DOWN AND AUTOBOT ON"!
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
Besides... The main reason why he is not going to be part of "Team Prime" is because he profile has him sound more like a "Team Magnus" character, Prime. So while I assume he may debut in the Arcee related episode, I am sure we will not see more of him until either the end of season 2 or the start of season 3.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Sabrblade, he can speak for himself. And after reading what you just said, you dismissed that fact as well as a whole lot of different facts. Such as:Sabrblade wrote: PrimeStriker is saying is that, in this continuity, Rodimus = Hot Shot, not Hot Rod.
Being a PRIME fan, I found out that the version in Japan is totally different than here. As in the fact that if this was Japanese first, they would have placed Hot Shot in the team while trying to make him a "friendly marketable character for those who both buy the toys and play with them"... Versus here, where they took portions of how G1 was structured, and made it better.Sabrblade wrote:Um... what about him makes him fit into Japanese TF: Prime but not American TF: Prime?
Sabrblade wrote:On Prime, it is not G1. It is a separate continuity (the Aligned Continuity)
Sabrblade wrote:On Exodus, it is tied to both War for Cybertron (as it tells the same basic story) and the Prime cartoon (as episode 26 flashed back to it).
Sabrblade wrote:On the video games, they are the ancient history era of the Prime cartoon's universe.
Sabrblade wrote:On Rescue Bots, it takes place in the same present day as Prime. As the very person who added all the Rescue Bots info into the Aligned Timeline TFWiki page, I can say that any Rescue Bots info on the page that takes place prior to the present was added in from either flashbacks or plot exposition of past events from the present day characters.
Sabrblade wrote:Well, then that's not our problem. The Aligned Continuity is HASBRO'S baby, not TakaraTomy's. TakaraTomy has contributed minimal bits to the Aligned continuity compared to Hasbro. Between the two of them, it's Hasbro who has the higher say when it comes to the Aligned Continuity since they the ones who created and are developing it.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Sabrblade wrote:Wait, WHAT?! When was THAT ever said? That's utter nonsense.
Even if that is true, it doesn't explain why High Moon did not mention it at all... As it is their creation. And adds to the confusion to why they did not say anything about him being Orion Pax, either. (Again, this falls on the lap of High Moon, not Hasbro.)Sabrblade wrote:What is wrong with you? The guy from War for Cybertron IS Sentinel Zeta Prime. "Sentinel" is his title, while "Zeta" is his name (with "Prime" being his rank).
Actually... There is a correction (much like you and Prime need one with this unneeded Sky Lynx attitude that makes me facepalm just because he made it sound like he meant the character... As in a misunderstanding) to this - "Team Magnus" was never mentioned in any portions of the series. And with Ultra Magnus getting both the Hasbro and "Arms Microns" treatment, Hasbro is going to want to make sure that either "Ultra" (which is a title in some continuities) or "Magnus" (which is a title in others) is a lesser title to that of "Prime."Sabrblade wrote:Technically, "Team Magnus", the Wreckers, are a disbanded bunch, so they are a team no longer.
Mindmaster wrote:One phrase for the above arguments: my head hurts.
I don't know who got served more, Sabrblade the human encyclopedia or K-N Maximus, a guy we barely know who seems to know his stuff. Clash of the titans here folks! Tune in next week for round two!
Bubbah wrote:I for one can't wait to see the new episodes. Sure the series has had it's ups and down (they all do), but overall I'm really liking it and I'm really excited to see the new character. I love all the nods and easter eggs being referenced to all the other series, even while this one stands on its own. Personally I'm thinking the new character is either Magnus or Kup but I'm certainly not going to complain regardless of who it is, I'm just happy new episodes are resuming!
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Mindmaster wrote:Bubbah wrote:I for one can't wait to see the new episodes. Sure the series has had it's ups and down (they all do), but overall I'm really liking it and I'm really excited to see the new character. I love all the nods and easter eggs being referenced to all the other series, even while this one stands on its own. Personally I'm thinking the new character is either Magnus or Kup but I'm certainly not going to complain regardless of who it is, I'm just happy new episodes are resuming!
This. This is the words of a fan. Why can't we all
Be like this? -starts humming Kumbaya-
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrimeStriker wrote:A) Yes, they did. Which is why they were able to produce a toy of Hot Rod AND Rodimus Prime.
B) Yes, true. Nobody in the series so far has been named Hot Rod. And if you were so kind enough as to research your sources you would know that Hasbro said themselves, and I quote:Aaron Archer wrote:According to Aaron Archer at the BotCon 2010 Activision panel, the character was named "Hot Shot" due to "Hot Rod" being an unprotectable name. Hasbro later revealed that they didn't name him Rodimus because they wanted fans to see how he became Rodimus.
I did my research. It states that when Hasbro was doing the Commemorative Series, they planned to reissue Hot Rod. However, both coyright and trademark laws have changed since The Rebirth and that time, which made them change it numerous times in hope of protecting their rights with said character. However, IDW pretty much disregarded that with Spotlight: Hot Rod. And Takara Tomy also used the name Hot Rod for the Henkei! line... Even though we know the character as Hot Shot.
As for the two figures, Hasbro licensed Takara to make them without going into detail that they would be the same character. Once they did, Takara was rumored to not be happy while making a new mold.PrimeStriker wrote:Wow, are you seriously....ugh. Hasbro can and does make characters specifically for a toyline, not to appear in a show or movie. Not every character that is a goddamn toy is going to appear in the show. The argument that he has a character model is invalid, as it's only a repaint (with a different head) of the Bumblebee action pose we've all seen.
We've gotten people such as Wreckage (in the Movie toyline), Armorhide (in the Cybertron toyline), and many other characters part of the main toyline that never got references nor screen-time in the show or movie their toylines hailed from.
The movie line included characters that were to be added to the movies, but were not. Plus, they molested my fandom. However, excluding that, every character placed in their main G1 and Animated lines have made some kind of appearance in said series.
HOWEVER... The only line I see as Hasbro's dumping ground for characters that will not appear in the series are in their Cyberverse line. Beyond that, if the character has a history that is not retconned by the series, my writer instincts predict that they will be used.That is the problem, you do not know me... Yet you act like I am a noob on the subject. I mean, dude... I do constant research on every character and series that does interest me. I do this at a near-obsessive level, especially when it comes to the progress of PRIME. Simply because I refuse to own a character, or a variation of a character, that does not interest me in the series.PrimeStriker wrote:I'm not trying to talk down to you, but you're making statements that weren't carefully researched, and they're coming out to be wrong.
And it is both the reason why I concluded that Hot Shot may be either the guest character or mentioned in a flashback... Is not the new main cast member... And comes off being tied to a story element in season 3.
Oh... And the reason why Rescue Robots disinterested me was because it is aimed at a 3-5 year old demographic. The rest was because WFC and PRIME stopped matching up on its facts by the end of the first season, and IDW announced a Dinobots limited series that ties FOC with PRIME.Actually... I originally wanted to apologize if I did misunderstand you when it came to "Hot Rod." However, this mess happened and I spent most of my free time wondering "Why are they assuming things about me? Why not just get to know me by PM?" instead of the topic at hand.PrimeStriker wrote:It's hard to rant on the facts when your facts aren't aligned, no pun intended. I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I'm simply defending a continuity that I find very, very interesting. And the factions we favor shouldn't affect our Transformers Fan Brotherhood.
And besides... PRIME is my #2 animated (#3 overall) series for a reason. So when it comes to the series, yeah... I treat it as its own continuity while using elements from the games, book, etc. as references.PrimeStriker wrote:Hot Shot could appear in Prime, but my point is that there would be a major continuity hole if he did unless he was Rodimus (not saying this continuity doesn't have holes within itself already). And by the way they're tagging us along with a secret Autobot these days, the "friend" and "new recruit" we're hearing about has a 52% chance of turning out to be Wheeljack.
Bubbah wrote:Mindmaster wrote:Bubbah wrote:I for one can't wait to see the new episodes. Sure the series has had it's ups and down (they all do), but overall I'm really liking it and I'm really excited to see the new character. I love all the nods and easter eggs being referenced to all the other series, even while this one stands on its own. Personally I'm thinking the new character is either Magnus or Kup but I'm certainly not going to complain regardless of who it is, I'm just happy new episodes are resuming!
This. This is the words of a fan. Why can't we all
Be like this? -starts humming Kumbaya-
thanks, but don't make me setup a campfire ... I'll do it too! Haha
And I'm all for debate, etc but there does come a time when things get TOO serious. In the end this is a hobby based off a cartoon. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this hobby and have since I was a kid growing up with G1, but it's still a hobby (albeit an expensive one sometimes lol). And especially when it comes to continuity, there will always be debate but one thing we all have to remember is that every single timeline/continuity has holes and inconsistancies ... It's bound to happen unfortunately.
Mindmaster wrote:One phrase for the above arguments: my head hurts.
I don't know who got served more, Sabrblade the human encyclopedia or K-N Maximus, a guy we barely know who seems to know his stuff. Clash of the titans here folks! Tune in next week for round two!
Stumpybot wrote:wow, nothing like a vague one line summary of an episode to prompt a heated debate on continuities, ownership of names and the importance of the toyline.
as much as im excited about a new recruit, even when its probably just wheeljack lol (im rooting for magnus), im more excited about next weekend. New prime episode and FOC on my xbox, twice the alligned continuity fun.
PrimeStriker wrote:There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity. It is Hot Shot that becomes Rodimus in this continuity. Besides, they no longer have the rights to the name "Hot Rod," nor would it work because Hot Shot is Rodimus on Cybertron anyway.
The toy further confuses things.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:PrimeStriker wrote:There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity.
I want to correct you right there - There is no "Hot Rod" in the continuity, but there can be a Rodimus. And with there being more than a single Aligned continuity, they could introduce him as a character that is part of the survivng Wreckers team!
Scourgescream wrote:Mindmaster wrote:One phrase for the above arguments: my head hurts.
I don't know who got served more, Sabrblade the human encyclopedia or K-N Maximus, a guy we barely know who seems to know his stuff. Clash of the titans here folks! Tune in next week for round two!
Saberblade get served surely not? oh wait, thats right. He doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. I for one am glad to see him get taken down a peg or two.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
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