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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Avensis-Mahiya » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:19 pm

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- Elita-1

Or maybe it will be an original/obscure Autobot.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Mindmaster » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:23 pm

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I have a feeling the "old friend of Arcee" mentioned in the hint for the upcoming episode " Put of the Past" is the new Autobot we're speculating (and continuity-arguing about).
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Ultra Markus » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:25 pm

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red energon? will that make all the TFs act very aggressive(just kidding)
as far as the new character lets wait and see what we have
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby KNM2012 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:38 pm

PrimeStriker wrote:Okay, there could not be a character in Prime named "Hot Rod" because of:
A) They no longer have the rights to that name
B) Hot Rod is not the name of any character in the Aligned Continuity, 'nor is it possible because of Hot Shot's standing in the continuity.

Clear enough?

Okay... Snipping the rest for space.

A) Hasbro never had the rights to the name. The main reason why they dropped it is because they could not copyright the name. However, there was no talks about them calling him (or any other character) "Autobot Hot Rod"... As the addition of "Autobot" and "Decepticon" to a name is how they copyright names that they cannot own. :lol:

B) Not true. >:oP Besides the addition of "Autobot" to the name, Hasbro has the right to give the name to a minor character that would never be marketed. Plus, they can use it as a joke or a question towards Hot Shot, as a reference to both the fact he looked like Rodimus in the DS "War for Cybertron - Autobot" game and was named "Rodimus" in the "Bumblebee at Tyger Pax" story.

As for the rest...

A) Hot Shot's profile: "Hot Shot is an Autobot serving under Optimus Prime in the Great War. Young and impetuous, he's always waiting with enthusiasm and confidence for his next mission (so long as he isn't paired with Kup again). Perhaps he's got something to prove, but any leadership qualities he might possess have yet to show themselves. He also shares a special relationship with the Autobot sharpshooter, Arcee."

B) You are not Hasbro, so please do not talk on their behalf. Because in truth, if he is part of the main Transformers: Prime line, it means that he will either be a guest character, a background character, or even a passing reference. >:oP Plus, also, Hasbro tried to claim that Zeta Prime's name is actually Sentinel Zeta Prime at BotCon 2010, when it comes to the continuity errors between the book and game. :lol:

C) And finally... Here is an observation: You chose to talk down to somebody you do not know. As in try to sound superior. Yet, you tell me not to do that because it is not okay. Do you know the definition tied to such an act? Because I took it as the character, not the name. And I even gave you a chance to say "I meant the name, not the character" at that point of time.

So yeah... Try to not tell me what to do or how to be when you cannot do that yourself. Because while I do rant a lot about facts and such, I also do not talk down to others like you have to me. And besides, I am trying to see you as a fellow Transformers fan. But with that attitude... I cannot until you... "CALM DOWN AND AUTOBOT ON"! :BOT:

Besides... The main reason why he is not going to be part of "Team Prime" is because he profile has him sound more like a "Team Magnus" character, Prime. So while I assume he may debut in the Arcee related episode, I am sure we will not see more of him until either the end of season 2 or the start of season 3. :-B
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby PrymeStriker » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:41 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Actually, you said "There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity." without explaining what you mean by that. And with Hot Rod being Hasbro's original G1 version of Rodimus, he does have a chance of fitting in the series... But only as a Wrecker.
What PrimeStriker is saying is that, in this continuity, Rodimus = Hot Shot, not Hot Rod.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:As for Hot Shot, Hasbro did make it clear that he does fit in the PRIME portion of the continuity, as it is their series and continuity. However, as I also said, I think that he would be a poor choice on the grounds that having another warrior-type ground vehicle would be a mistake. Granted, who he is fits the Japanese version of the series. Just not this version.
Um... what about him makes him fit into Japanese TF: Prime but not American TF: Prime?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, with both Hasbro and Takara Tomy having a similar history on how they handled Generation 1, it is easy to say that PRIME is the core continuity... And that Exodus would be best tied to the Generations toyline, Cybertron be treated as a game-based continuity, and Resuce Bots be the series that was based in 1984 (according to Hasbro's Aligned timeline, as stated in TFwiki). :-B
On Prime, it is not G1. It is a separate continuity (the Aligned Continuity)

On Exodus, it is tied to both War for Cybertron (as it tells the same basic story) and the Prime cartoon (as episode 26 flashed back to it).

On the video games, they are the ancient history era of the Prime cartoon's universe.

On Rescue Bots, it takes place in the same present day as Prime. As the very person who added all the Rescue Bots info into the Aligned Timeline TFWiki page, I can say that any Rescue Bots info on the page that takes place prior to the present was added in from either flashbacks or plot exposition of past events from the present day characters.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Oh... And also, I follow Takara Tomy's stuff. So pretty much for me, when it comes to the Aligned continuity, it is solely just PRIME, Arms Microns, and Cybertron Satellite. :BOT:
Well, then that's not our problem. The Aligned Continuity is HASBRO'S baby, not TakaraTomy's. TakaraTomy has contributed minimal bits to the Aligned continuity compared to Hasbro. Between the two of them, it's Hasbro who has the higher say when it comes to the Aligned Continuity since they the ones who created and are developing it.


Giving boss information as usual, Sabrblade. You said it better than I. :grin:

Ultra Markus wrote:red energon? will that make all the TFs act very aggressive(just kidding)
as far as the new character lets wait and see what we have


It would be so nice, so wonderful, so boss, so much homage, if they made Red Energon the Hate Plague of the Aligned Continuity family. :APPLAUSE:

I like how they're being shady on the fate of Bulkhead with all of this. I really hope he dies, just to get the emotion of a main Autobot dying.........that's not Optimus Prime.

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:50 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:B) You are not Hasbro, so please do not talk on their behalf. Because in truth, if he is part of the main Transformers: Prime line, it means that he will either be a guest character, a background character, or even a passing reference. >:oP
Wait, WHAT?! When was THAT ever said? That's utter nonsense.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, also, Hasbro tried to claim that Zeta Prime's name is actually Sentinel Zeta Prime at BotCon 2010, when it comes to the continuity errors between the book and game. :lol:
What is wrong with you? The guy from War for Cybertron IS Sentinel Zeta Prime. "Sentinel" is his title, while "Zeta" is his name (with "Prime" being his rank).

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Besides... The main reason why he is not going to be part of "Team Prime" is because he profile has him sound more like a "Team Magnus" character, Prime. So while I assume he may debut in the Arcee related episode, I am sure we will not see more of him until either the end of season 2 or the start of season 3. :-B
Technically, "Team Magnus", the Wreckers, are a disbanded bunch, so they are a team no longer.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby leviebaby » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:07 pm

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby PrymeStriker » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:19 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
PrimeStriker wrote:Okay, there could not be a character in Prime named "Hot Rod" because of:
A) They no longer have the rights to that name
B) Hot Rod is not the name of any character in the Aligned Continuity, 'nor is it possible because of Hot Shot's standing in the continuity.

Clear enough?

Okay... Snipping the rest for space.

A) Hasbro never had the rights to the name. The main reason why they dropped it is because they could not copyright the name. However, there was no talks about them calling him (or any other character) "Autobot Hot Rod"... As the addition of "Autobot" and "Decepticon" to a name is how they copyright names that they cannot own. :lol:

B) Not true. >:oP Besides the addition of "Autobot" to the name, Hasbro has the right to give the name to a minor character that would never be marketed. Plus, they can use it as a joke or a question towards Hot Shot, as a reference to both the fact he looked like Rodimus in the DS "War for Cybertron - Autobot" game and was named "Rodimus" in the "Bumblebee at Tyger Pax" story.



A) Yes, they did. Which is why they were able to produce a toy of Hot Rod AND Rodimus Prime.

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B) Yes, true. Nobody in the series so far has been named Hot Rod. And if you were so kind enough as to research your sources you would know that Hasbro said themselves, and I quote:

Aaron Archer wrote:According to Aaron Archer at the BotCon 2010 Activision panel, the character was named "Hot Shot" due to "Hot Rod" being an unprotectable name. Hasbro later revealed that they didn't name him Rodimus because they wanted fans to see how he became Rodimus.



KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
B) You are not Hasbro, so please do not talk on their behalf. Because in truth, if he is part of the main Transformers: Prime line, it means that he will either be a guest character, a background character, or even a passing reference. >:oP Plus, also, Hasbro tried to claim that Zeta Prime's name is actually Sentinel Zeta Prime at BotCon 2010, when it comes to the continuity errors between the book and game. :lol:


Wow, are you seriously....ugh. Hasbro can and does make characters specifically for a toyline, not to appear in a show or movie. Not every character that is a goddamn toy is going to appear in the show. The argument that he has a character model is invalid, as it's only a repaint (with a different head) of the Bumblebee action pose we've all seen.

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We've gotten people such as Wreckage (in the Movie toyline), Armorhide (in the Cybertron toyline), and many other characters part of the main toyline that never got references nor screen-time in the show or movie their toylines hailed from.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:C) And finally... Here is an observation: You chose to talk down to somebody you do not know. As in try to sound superior. Yet, you tell me not to do that because it is not okay. Do you know the definition tied to such an act? Because I took it as the character, not the name. And I even gave you a chance to say "I meant the name, not the character" at that point of time.


I'm not trying to talk down to you, but you're making statements that weren't carefully researched, and they're coming out to be wrong.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:So yeah... Try to not tell me what to do or how to be when you cannot do that yourself. Because while I do rant a lot about facts and such, I also do not talk down to others like you have to me. And besides, I am trying to see you as a fellow Transformers fan. But with that attitude... I cannot until you... "CALM DOWN AND AUTOBOT ON"! :BOT:


It's hard to rant on the facts when your facts aren't aligned, no pun intended. I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I'm simply defending a continuity that I find very, very interesting. And the factions we favor shouldn't affect our Transformers Fan Brotherhood.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
Besides... The main reason why he is not going to be part of "Team Prime" is because he profile has him sound more like a "Team Magnus" character, Prime. So while I assume he may debut in the Arcee related episode, I am sure we will not see more of him until either the end of season 2 or the start of season 3. :-B


Hot Shot could appear in Prime, but my point is that there would be a major continuity hole if he did unless he was Rodimus (not saying this continuity doesn't have holes within itself already). And by the way they're tagging us along with a secret Autobot these days, the "friend" and "new recruit" we're hearing about has a 52% chance of turning out to be Wheeljack.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby KNM2012 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:57 pm

Sabrblade wrote: PrimeStriker is saying is that, in this continuity, Rodimus = Hot Shot, not Hot Rod.
Sabrblade, he can speak for himself. And after reading what you just said, you dismissed that fact as well as a whole lot of different facts. Such as:

1)
Sabrblade wrote:Um... what about him makes him fit into Japanese TF: Prime but not American TF: Prime?
Being a PRIME fan, I found out that the version in Japan is totally different than here. As in the fact that if this was Japanese first, they would have placed Hot Shot in the team while trying to make him a "friendly marketable character for those who both buy the toys and play with them"... Versus here, where they took portions of how G1 was structured, and made it better.

Oh, and their direction with the Autobot team is why I am saying that Skyfire is the better choice. Just adding that.

2)
Sabrblade wrote:On Prime, it is not G1. It is a separate continuity (the Aligned Continuity)


Here you ignorantly condescend me instead of talking to me as a fan who said that he has been following said franchise since the 1980s. If you bothered knowing me, you would know that all he needed to do is just make the clarification with the reason that a lot of G1 fans still call Rodimus "Hot Rod" for their own reasons... Hence the misunderstanding that would have me thank him for clearing that up, and other friendly stuff.

3)
Sabrblade wrote:On Exodus, it is tied to both War for Cybertron (as it tells the same basic story) and the Prime cartoon (as episode 26 flashed back to it).


You would have known that I have played the game, and watched the entire series. However, you would also have known that there are continuity errors when you try to put the three together. Hence why I dismissed it as being "one big continuity"... And not the fact that it is excellent material for their own continuities.

(FYI, I also said that Hasbro would be smart to tie the Generations line to the novel, as in maybe getting fans of that line be interested in the book. That, and allow the author to create his own timeline for Hasbro in the process.)

4)
Sabrblade wrote:On the video games, they are the ancient history era of the Prime cartoon's universe.


However, you fall back onto the continuity errors. Such as the fact that in the game, he was known as Optimus before he became Optimus Prime. Yet, Ratchet stated that before he became Optimus Prime, he was Orion Pax. And in the book, it talked about Sentinel Prime... Yet the game only mentioned Zeta Prime. Hasbro tried clarifying this in 2010 by claiming that his name was actually "Sentinel Zeta Prime." >:oP

5)
Sabrblade wrote:On Rescue Bots, it takes place in the same present day as Prime. As the very person who added all the Rescue Bots info into the Aligned Timeline TFWiki page, I can say that any Rescue Bots info on the page that takes place prior to the present was added in from either flashbacks or plot exposition of past events from the present day characters.


Not according to the official timeline that is posted in TFwiki. >:oP The timeline states that the series happens before PRIME, not during. As in the events tied to the series happen between "After the Great Exodus" and the arrival of both Team Prime and the Decepticons.

Which, by the way, makes me want to watch Rescue Robots now. :lol:

Sabrblade wrote:Well, then that's not our problem. The Aligned Continuity is HASBRO'S baby, not TakaraTomy's. TakaraTomy has contributed minimal bits to the Aligned continuity compared to Hasbro. Between the two of them, it's Hasbro who has the higher say when it comes to the Aligned Continuity since they the ones who created and are developing it.


A lot of disregard for the facts and fandom here, Sabrblade. Such as the fact that The Transformers was Hasbro's baby from the beginning. The only series they they were not involved with, however, were the series Toei solely worked on... Car Robots (Robots in Disguise)... AND both Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo.

Oh... And in terms of fandom, my understanding is that if it is a Transformers series/timeline/product/etc. here, it should matter regardless of our preferences here. Or did I not get that memo between the time that the Heavy Wars game burnt me out while the Unicron Trilogy bored me... And the time I wanted to join, even though I was going to join once I obtained my 10th Transformer? (Which, ironically, turned out to be Sky Lynx.) :lol:
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Mindmaster » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:28 am

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One phrase for the above arguments: my head hurts. :BOOM:

I don't know who got served more, Sabrblade the human encyclopedia or K-N Maximus, a guy we barely know who seems to know his stuff. Clash of the titans here folks! Tune in next week for round two!
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby KNM2012 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:32 am

Sabrblade wrote:Wait, WHAT?! When was THAT ever said? That's utter nonsense.


And I quote... "Okay, well, as far as Hasbro's concerned, Hot Shot couldn't be in the Prime cartoon." His words. As in the fact that Hasbro had no intention keep their tradition alive by placing a marketable character into their series. All because he said that.

Sabrblade wrote:What is wrong with you? The guy from War for Cybertron IS Sentinel Zeta Prime. "Sentinel" is his title, while "Zeta" is his name (with "Prime" being his rank).
Even if that is true, it doesn't explain why High Moon did not mention it at all... As it is their creation. And adds to the confusion to why they did not say anything about him being Orion Pax, either. (Again, this falls on the lap of High Moon, not Hasbro.)

Then again... Takara Tomy has not explained the G1 continuity error (i.e. Convoy's appearance in Beast Wars) that they included in their new G1 timeline. So since I am trying to respect you, I'll accept that explanation and just conclude that Prime's name change went from Orion Pax to Optimus to Optimus Prime. :-? (And not Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, as Ratchet explained earlier.)

Sabrblade wrote:Technically, "Team Magnus", the Wreckers, are a disbanded bunch, so they are a team no longer.
Actually... There is a correction (much like you and Prime need one with this unneeded Sky Lynx attitude that makes me facepalm just because he made it sound like he meant the character... As in a misunderstanding) to this - "Team Magnus" was never mentioned in any portions of the series. And with Ultra Magnus getting both the Hasbro and "Arms Microns" treatment, Hasbro is going to want to make sure that either "Ultra" (which is a title in some continuities) or "Magnus" (which is a title in others) is a lesser title to that of "Prime."

Oh, and also, based on Hasbro's history... They are most likely going to do an episode that has Ultra Magnus offer Bulkhead a position into his new team of Wreckers. Because one, they made the character. And two, it will allow the writers to show the fans the kind of Autobot Bulkhead has become ever since he joined "Team Prime." :BOT:
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby KNM2012 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:46 am

Mindmaster wrote:One phrase for the above arguments: my head hurts. :BOOM:

I don't know who got served more, Sabrblade the human encyclopedia or K-N Maximus, a guy we barely know who seems to know his stuff. Clash of the titans here folks! Tune in next week for round two!

:lol: Dude... Thank you for stating that! My only mistake was that I mistook the mentioning of "Hot Rod" as the character. And instead, I have two people talk down to me... Despite the fact that before returning to this site, I was pretty much looking up stuff on both Wikipedia and TFwiki. :lol:

Sorry... I am laughing because this only started because the Hot Rod name. :lol: That, and the sheer irony of it all. :lol: Because one told me not to be that way, yet he does it himself. And another, I do believe, told me not to judge something that I do not own. :lol:

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Bubbah » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:18 am

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I for one can't wait to see the new episodes. Sure the series has had it's ups and down (they all do), but overall I'm really liking it and I'm really excited to see the new character. I love all the nods and easter eggs being referenced to all the other series, even while this one stands on its own. Personally I'm thinking the new character is either Magnus or Kup but I'm certainly not going to complain regardless of who it is, I'm just happy new episodes are resuming!
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Mindmaster » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:21 am

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Bubbah wrote:I for one can't wait to see the new episodes. Sure the series has had it's ups and down (they all do), but overall I'm really liking it and I'm really excited to see the new character. I love all the nods and easter eggs being referenced to all the other series, even while this one stands on its own. Personally I'm thinking the new character is either Magnus or Kup but I'm certainly not going to complain regardless of who it is, I'm just happy new episodes are resuming!


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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Bubbah » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:31 am

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Bubbah wrote:I for one can't wait to see the new episodes. Sure the series has had it's ups and down (they all do), but overall I'm really liking it and I'm really excited to see the new character. I love all the nods and easter eggs being referenced to all the other series, even while this one stands on its own. Personally I'm thinking the new character is either Magnus or Kup but I'm certainly not going to complain regardless of who it is, I'm just happy new episodes are resuming!


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:lol: thanks, but don't make me setup a campfire ... I'll do it too! Haha

And I'm all for debate, etc but there does come a time when things get TOO serious. In the end this is a hobby based off a cartoon. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this hobby and have since I was a kid growing up with G1, but it's still a hobby (albeit an expensive one sometimes lol). And especially when it comes to continuity, there will always be debate but one thing we all have to remember is that every single timeline/continuity has holes and inconsistancies ... It's bound to happen unfortunately.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:19 am

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I'm using my iPhone, so unfortunately this is going to be one great big paragraph. There have been marketable characters in Transformers fiction that never made it into the cartoon or movie, so we don't need every toy in a line to have a show appearance, although Animated did a good job of defying this. Again, we're not trying to talk down to you. We're stating facts that we've observed (and in my case, have taken plenty of notes on) in the continuity family at hand. I thought I made it perfectly clear that I was talking about the name to begin with, but I had to drive my point in 6 times before the misunderstanding was realized, and then we got stuck with all of this shit. Please, can we move on before we get too much attention? From the wrong kind of people?
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby xyl360 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:26 am

It's gotta be Optimus Primal. When he was obliterated in the finale of Season 1 of Beast Wars, he popped up in the Japanese continuity's Beast Wars II. I'm betting that after he left that continuity, he pops up in Prime, gets destroyed, gets retrieved by Rhinox from the Matrix only to come back in Season 2 of Beast Wars :P.

OK, not gonna happen, I was only joking.

I'm betting on Ultra Magnus.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby KNM2012 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:21 am

PrimeStriker wrote:A) Yes, they did. Which is why they were able to produce a toy of Hot Rod AND Rodimus Prime.

B) Yes, true. Nobody in the series so far has been named Hot Rod. And if you were so kind enough as to research your sources you would know that Hasbro said themselves, and I quote:

Aaron Archer wrote:According to Aaron Archer at the BotCon 2010 Activision panel, the character was named "Hot Shot" due to "Hot Rod" being an unprotectable name. Hasbro later revealed that they didn't name him Rodimus because they wanted fans to see how he became Rodimus.


I did my research. It states that when Hasbro was doing the Commemorative Series, they planned to reissue Hot Rod. However, both coyright and trademark laws have changed since The Rebirth and that time, which made them change it numerous times in hope of protecting their rights with said character. However, IDW pretty much disregarded that with Spotlight: Hot Rod. And Takara Tomy also used the name Hot Rod for the Henkei! line... Even though we know the character as Hot Shot.

As for the two figures, Hasbro licensed Takara to make them without going into detail that they would be the same character. Once they did, Takara was rumored to not be happy while making a new mold.

PrimeStriker wrote:Wow, are you seriously....ugh. Hasbro can and does make characters specifically for a toyline, not to appear in a show or movie. Not every character that is a goddamn toy is going to appear in the show. The argument that he has a character model is invalid, as it's only a repaint (with a different head) of the Bumblebee action pose we've all seen.

We've gotten people such as Wreckage (in the Movie toyline), Armorhide (in the Cybertron toyline), and many other characters part of the main toyline that never got references nor screen-time in the show or movie their toylines hailed from.


The movie line included characters that were to be added to the movies, but were not. Plus, they molested my fandom. However, excluding that, every character placed in their main G1 and Animated lines have made some kind of appearance in said series.

HOWEVER... The only line I see as Hasbro's dumping ground for characters that will not appear in the series are in their Cyberverse line. Beyond that, if the character has a history that is not retconned by the series, my writer instincts predict that they will be used. :grin:

PrimeStriker wrote:I'm not trying to talk down to you, but you're making statements that weren't carefully researched, and they're coming out to be wrong.
That is the problem, you do not know me... Yet you act like I am a noob on the subject. I mean, dude... I do constant research on every character and series that does interest me. I do this at a near-obsessive level, especially when it comes to the progress of PRIME. Simply because I refuse to own a character, or a variation of a character, that does not interest me in the series. :lol:

And it is both the reason why I concluded that Hot Shot may be either the guest character or mentioned in a flashback... Is not the new main cast member... And comes off being tied to a story element in season 3.

Oh... And the reason why Rescue Robots disinterested me was because it is aimed at a 3-5 year old demographic. The rest was because WFC and PRIME stopped matching up on its facts by the end of the first season, and IDW announced a Dinobots limited series that ties FOC with PRIME.

PrimeStriker wrote:It's hard to rant on the facts when your facts aren't aligned, no pun intended. I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I'm simply defending a continuity that I find very, very interesting. And the factions we favor shouldn't affect our Transformers Fan Brotherhood.
Actually... I originally wanted to apologize if I did misunderstand you when it came to "Hot Rod." :P However, this mess happened and I spent most of my free time wondering "Why are they assuming things about me? Why not just get to know me by PM?" instead of the topic at hand. :P

And besides... PRIME is my #2 animated (#3 overall) series for a reason. So when it comes to the series, yeah... I treat it as its own continuity while using elements from the games, book, etc. as references. :grin:

PrimeStriker wrote:Hot Shot could appear in Prime, but my point is that there would be a major continuity hole if he did unless he was Rodimus (not saying this continuity doesn't have holes within itself already). And by the way they're tagging us along with a secret Autobot these days, the "friend" and "new recruit" we're hearing about has a 52% chance of turning out to be Wheeljack.

That is the thing... I never did see PRIME as anything but a self-contained portion of this continuity. :-?

And as for the "friend"... They said he or she was tied to Arcee's past. Jackie was tied to Bulkhead's past. And excuse my brain as it was still boggled from my trip to Japan (BTW, I found a "Club Primus"), but I assumed that Jackie became a card-carrying reserved member out of respect for the team. :lol: If it is him, after all, I could see it happening.

Would be a shame, though, as Jetfire has great potential when it comes to the series. :P
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby KNM2012 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:45 am

Bubbah wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
Bubbah wrote:I for one can't wait to see the new episodes. Sure the series has had it's ups and down (they all do), but overall I'm really liking it and I'm really excited to see the new character. I love all the nods and easter eggs being referenced to all the other series, even while this one stands on its own. Personally I'm thinking the new character is either Magnus or Kup but I'm certainly not going to complain regardless of who it is, I'm just happy new episodes are resuming!


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Be like this? -starts humming Kumbaya-

:lol: thanks, but don't make me setup a campfire ... I'll do it too! Haha

And I'm all for debate, etc but there does come a time when things get TOO serious. In the end this is a hobby based off a cartoon. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this hobby and have since I was a kid growing up with G1, but it's still a hobby (albeit an expensive one sometimes lol). And especially when it comes to continuity, there will always be debate but one thing we all have to remember is that every single timeline/continuity has holes and inconsistancies ... It's bound to happen unfortunately.

As much as I like Ultra Magnus (I actually own his "Alternity" version, BTW), I got to see his Robots in Disguise figure... And that screams "LEADER!" to the point that my ears started ringing.

And with Kup, I heard a rumor that both he and Ironhide are going to be sitting in a balcony box heckling the other Autobots, as well as get away with it because they are old. :P

Besides... I would join you both, if permitted, but I heard that Japanese Airachnid comes off as a bit boy crazy. So instead, let me share this with you guys and maybe start a wager on who the new teammate will be... Okay? :lol:

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Stumpybot » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:31 am

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wow, nothing like a vague one line summary of an episode to prompt a heated debate on continuities, ownership of names and the importance of the toyline. :P

as much as im excited about a new recruit, even when its probably just wheeljack lol (im rooting for magnus), im more excited about next weekend. New prime episode and FOC on my xbox, twice the alligned continuity fun.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby Scourgescream » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:32 am

Mindmaster wrote:One phrase for the above arguments: my head hurts. :BOOM:

I don't know who got served more, Sabrblade the human encyclopedia or K-N Maximus, a guy we barely know who seems to know his stuff. Clash of the titans here folks! Tune in next week for round two!


Saberblade get served surely not? oh wait, thats right. He doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. I for one am glad to see him get taken down a peg or two.

Not that any of this really has to do with the topic.

Who is the new recruit? my money is on Ultra Magnus.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby NovaSentinel » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:40 am

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Although Magnus will likely make an appearance at some point, I doubt he will ever join team Prime
So, so far we have 7 autobot character types
Optimus - honourable leader
Bulkhead - not too brainy bruiser
Ratchet - Cranky scientist
Bumblebee - lovable hero
Arcee - small warrior sniper
Cliffjumper - red shirt kill for impact
Wheeljack - Rogue elite warrior

So we still need
??? - Cocky fast guy (Sideswipe, Hot Shot, Blurr)
??? - High Ranking By the book officer (Prowl, Jetfire, Kup)
??? - Aerial Guy (Jetfire, Air-Raid, Silverbolt)
??? - Tough guy to rival bulkhead (Ironhide, Trailbreaker)

My bet is on one of the first two, so probably Sideswipe or Prowl, or maybe Jazz
Any of them would be welcome though...

Also for those arguing about the hot shot/rod/rodimus issue, Rodimus may not evolve from hot shot/rod in this continuity...
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby iguanabytes » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:18 am

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this went a little crazy overnight- Ultra Magnus could be the rules and regs guy that was mentioned. And his size and power could make him a foil for Optimus
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby KNM2012 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:19 pm

Stumpybot wrote:wow, nothing like a vague one line summary of an episode to prompt a heated debate on continuities, ownership of names and the importance of the toyline. :P

as much as im excited about a new recruit, even when its probably just wheeljack lol (im rooting for magnus), im more excited about next weekend. New prime episode and FOC on my xbox, twice the alligned continuity fun.

All I did was say that Rodimus could exist, which caused that. :lol: So sorry about that, guys. :lol:

Even then, I am hoping they will throw us a curveball and diversify the team. However, reading up on the summaries and the fact they have yet talked about making any new characters for the Robots in Disguise line... Sounds like it's gonna be Jackie. :BOT:
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 17 Title and Description "New Recruit"

Postby PrymeStriker » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:11 pm

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It's over. Forget about it. It just really pissed me off when I said in a completely specific and clear matter:
PrimeStriker wrote:There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity. It is Hot Shot that becomes Rodimus in this continuity. Besides, they no longer have the rights to the name "Hot Rod," nor would it work because Hot Shot is Rodimus on Cybertron anyway.

The toy further confuses things. :)


That he would respond:

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
PrimeStriker wrote:There is no Hot Rod in the Aligned Continuity.

I want to correct you right there - There is no "Hot Rod" in the continuity, but there can be a Rodimus. And with there being more than a single Aligned continuity, they could introduce him as a character that is part of the survivng Wreckers team! :grin:


It felt like he barely read my whole paragraph, and decided to instantly quote without closely examining or reading what I said. It felt like he didn't know a whole lot about this continuity family, and I got mad when we continued argue, and matters were being brought up that had diddly-shit to do with what I originally said (e.g Being a fan since the 80s, feeling "put down," continuity holes, toylines, etc.), which sparked up a whole lot of crap. I honestly don't feel like hearing anymore "Sabrblade vs Kuma-Nin" or "PrimeStriker & Sabrblade vs Kuma-Nin," because if it is kept up, mods will be brought into the mingle and then we've got serious problems.

A misunderstanding is understandable. And please....this shouldn't have been said:

Scourgescream wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:One phrase for the above arguments: my head hurts. :BOOM:

I don't know who got served more, Sabrblade the human encyclopedia or K-N Maximus, a guy we barely know who seems to know his stuff. Clash of the titans here folks! Tune in next week for round two!


Saberblade get served surely not? oh wait, thats right. He doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. I for one am glad to see him get taken down a peg or two.


We're only going to get in more trouble with that. No. Please don't.
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