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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby PrymeStriker » Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:04 pm

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Ultra Markus wrote:megatron will never allow a filthy flesh creature(Silas) to co-habitat their ship let alone a decepticon body, that would be beneath him. megatron is above all flesh creatures (humans)and will only be squashed like insects. of course he might find use for Silas for the time being then get rid of him


Unless he fools Megatron into thinking he's the legit Breakdown. ;)



I doubt Silas has the skills to understand what kind of personality Breakdown had.
He'll blow his cover before long.


What personality? The dude barely got more than 10 minutes per episode (mind Deus ex Machina and Operation: Breakdown, where he had more prominent roles), and the only thing we know about his "personality" is that he's a nervous wreck and that he prefers working alone (per How to Draw Transformers Prime Breakdown bio, which makes no sense considering he's partnered with Knock Out and doesn't display any paranoia in the cartoon).

I think Knock Out would be the one to uncover Silas' little trick, not Megatron.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Flashwave » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:23 pm

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Ultra Markus wrote:megatron will never allow a filthy flesh creature(Silas) to co-habitat their ship let alone a decepticon body, that would be beneath him. megatron is above all flesh creatures (humans)and will only be squashed like insects. of course he might find use for Silas for the time being then get rid of him


Unless he fools Megatron into thinking he's the legit Breakdown. ;)



I doubt Silas has the skills to understand what kind of personality Breakdown had.
He'll blow his cover before long.


What personality? The dude barely got more than 10 minutes per episode (mind Deus ex Machina and Operation: Breakdown, where he had more prominent roles), and the only thing we know about his "personality" is that he's a nervous wreck and that he prefers working alone (per How to Draw Transformers Prime Breakdown bio, which makes no sense considering he's partnered with Knock Out and doesn't display any paranoia in the cartoon).

I think Knock Out would be the one to uncover Silas' little trick, not Megatron.


Ten minutes an episode for a twenty-two minute episode (+plus eight minutes of commercials) is a decent chunk of tv. And the ep with him calling the mine and the human answering did a lot for his character, that deep down, he's a grunt too. Life goes on in between those episodes: Megs isn't gonna let just anyone onto his ship, and very little happens behind his back, or Soundwave's. And who does Soundwave report sirectly too?

Now, being Knockout's sidekick, the sports car might very well peg him being fake First, only because he's likely to see Breaky more often.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Bubbah » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:44 pm

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With all the debate over Silas/Breakdown being discovered and found out, have we even seen anything that suggests Silas is going to try to hide himself? All I've seen for certain is a busted up Breakdown, and a stitched up Silas face. So what if Silas basically has his head on Breakdown's body and goes to Megatron totally exposed as such with some sort of plan to get on Megatron's good side?
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:49 pm

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Yeah, what if Silas approaches Megatron in Breakdown's body but AS Silas?

I mean, last episode had Megatron utterly dumbfounded to learn that mere human girl slaughtered the most vicious of all the Insecticons. Perhaps he's begun to reconsider human competence?
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Bubbah » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:56 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, what if Silas approaches Megatron in Breakdown's body but AS Silas?

I mean, last episode had Megatron utterly dumbfounded to learn that mere human girl slaughtered the most vicious of all the Insecticons. Perhaps he's begun to reconsider human competence?

That's kinda what I was thinking too. The episode ended with Megatron learning about Miko's involvement. She's obviously in serious jeopardy now, but that's the obvious outcome, Megatron rethinking his opinion of humans could play a part. Especially since a mere human child took out Hardshell, what are the possibilities of a human adult, in a Transformer body? The brains of Silas (who has already proven to be a thorn in their sides) now without the weakness of the fleshy body ... Could make for an interesting proposal in Megatron's mind.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Megatronsdemise666 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:18 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, what if Silas approaches Megatron in Breakdown's body but AS Silas?

I mean, last episode had Megatron utterly dumbfounded to learn that mere human girl slaughtered the most vicious of all the Insecticons. Perhaps he's begun to reconsider human competence?

That's kinda what I was thinking too. The episode ended with Megatron learning about Miko's involvement. She's obviously in serious jeopardy now, but that's the obvious outcome, Megatron rethinking his opinion of humans could play a part. Especially since a mere human child took out Hardshell, what are the possibilities of a human adult, in a Transformer body? The brains of Silas (who has already proven to be a thorn in their sides) now without the weakness of the fleshy body ... Could make for an interesting proposal in Megatron's mind.


Saying hardshell was the most vicious insecticon is overatting him.

Megatron had trouble taking out an insecticon. But bulkhead can knock out hardshell easily? And megatron was able to take on bulk and the rest of the autobots singlehandedly.
Yeah megatron may indeed see silas as more of an ally, needless to say megatron will also be plotting and have soundwave constantly watching him
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Bubbah » Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:36 am

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Megatronsdemise666 wrote:
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Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, what if Silas approaches Megatron in Breakdown's body but AS Silas?

I mean, last episode had Megatron utterly dumbfounded to learn that mere human girl slaughtered the most vicious of all the Insecticons. Perhaps he's begun to reconsider human competence?

That's kinda what I was thinking too. The episode ended with Megatron learning about Miko's involvement. She's obviously in serious jeopardy now, but that's the obvious outcome, Megatron rethinking his opinion of humans could play a part. Especially since a mere human child took out Hardshell, what are the possibilities of a human adult, in a Transformer body? The brains of Silas (who has already proven to be a thorn in their sides) now without the weakness of the fleshy body ... Could make for an interesting proposal in Megatron's mind.


Saying hardshell was the most vicious insecticon is overatting him.

Megatron had trouble taking out an insecticon. But bulkhead can knock out hardshell easily? And megatron was able to take on bulk and the rest of the autobots singlehandedly.
Yeah megatron may indeed see silas as more of an ally, needless to say megatron will also be plotting and have soundwave constantly watching him

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Hardshell was the badass he was made out to be, but nonetheless Miko DID take out a Decepticon :)
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:57 am

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I like how theres so much contemplation on how this episode will turn out, with a lot of cool ideas mentioned. Yet, I feel we aren't going to get anything as crazy as we are really hoping for. Might just be a lame fight where silas challenges megatron and whatever other cons, and ends up getting pwned, and then some additional story element that connects it to something upcoming. But hey, if they can spin it so that Silas does something a little out of the box to somehow engage Megatron in a meaningful, threatening way, Awesome. It would immediately raise Silas to Zarak status.

Its lame how she magically pressed the right button to fire the missiles at a random target. Sure, it ain't impossible, but its so meaningless that she magically got lucky and killed another Con before letting it kill another autobot. As much as it would have pissed people off, I would have liked either Bulk or Wheeljack to fully been taken offline ("permanently") and had a huge moment of loss. Then this new recruit would have mattered so much more to the viewers and overall story. Ah well, guess death doesn't sell for the youthful fans (that I respect, no offense intended).
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby KNM2012 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:24 am

Bubbah wrote:With all the debate over Silas/Breakdown being discovered and found out, have we even seen anything that suggests Silas is going to try to hide himself? All I've seen for certain is a busted up Breakdown, and a stitched up Silas face. So what if Silas basically has his head on Breakdown's body and goes to Megatron totally exposed as such with some sort of plan to get on Megatron's good side?

I am siding with Bubbah here. Because he is not talking about the use of "references"... Or siding with somebody that is only "knowledgeable" about things they already know about. 8)

And Bubbah, I can see where you are coming with this. Because while we have the issues between the Vehicons and Insecticons, both are of limited use to Megatron. Which means that Silas has the edge that Megatron needs - MECH, soldiers and all. :CON:
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Bubbah » Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:22 am

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MINDVVIPE wrote:I like how theres so much contemplation on how this episode will turn out, with a lot of cool ideas mentioned. Yet, I feel we aren't going to get anything as crazy as we are really hoping for. Might just be a lame fight where silas challenges megatron and whatever other cons, and ends up getting pwned, and then some additional story element that connects it to something upcoming. But hey, if they can spin it so that Silas does something a little out of the box to somehow engage Megatron in a meaningful, threatening way, Awesome. It would immediately raise Silas to Zarak status.

Its lame how she magically pressed the right button to fire the missiles at a random target. Sure, it ain't impossible, but its so meaningless that she magically got lucky and killed another Con before letting it kill another autobot. As much as it would have pissed people off, I would have liked either Bulk or Wheeljack to fully been taken offline ("permanently") and had a huge moment of loss. Then this new recruit would have mattered so much more to the viewers and overall story. Ah well, guess death doesn't sell for the youthful fans (that I respect, no offense intended).

Considering all the ideas being tossed around, I really hope they don't do something lame like just make it into a fight for a one and done episode haha. As for the "magic button", I was a little surprised too, but with a little imagination (aka stretching lol) I did come up with a minor fix that helped me buy it. The two buttons were next to each other on the controls (auto pilot & fire controls) and she saw Wheeljack fire the rockets at the mine earlier when he was talking to Megatron. As for missing WJ and hitting Hardshell, well maybe his ship recognizes him or the weapons are set to automatically go after Decepticons' signals. Like I said, it's not perfect, but it works for me :)

And thanks Kuma ... My ideas are just speculation and guessing at the moment haha. I'm really excited to see where it goes and how it plays out. Silas has got a lot to offer, and with the failures of only retrieving 1/4 of the relics (props to Soundwave), now is a perfect time for Silas to try to make an entrance into the Decepticon ranks.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby KNM2012 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:50 am

Bubbah wrote:And thanks Kuma ... My ideas are just speculation and guessing at the moment haha. I'm really excited to see where it goes and how it plays out. Silas has got a lot to offer, and with the failures of only retrieving 1/4 of the relics (props to Soundwave), now is a perfect time for Silas to try to make an entrance into the Decepticon ranks.

My pleasure. And to be honest, what you said is the kind of things that have made me return here. Because it lets us actually look at the details given to us, and add it to what we already know. 8) That is something I love doing because for me, at least, it keeps my mind active and has me wonder what more they can do for the series. ;)

And I agree. Megatron knows that the Autobots have humans on their side. He also was told about a "Human girl" as well, which made no sense unless his informant knew she was sneaking around. So stuff like that should have him say "If they can do it, I can do it better!" And that, unless they do not go down that direction, can help lead them into the whole "Powermaster" concept.

Besides... That reminds me of the theory I had when it came to Starscream cloning Airachnid, using the clone to control the Insecticons. Because if MECH does join, he will need to amp up his chances to not only get revenge on both them and Megatron... But also regain full control of the Decepticons. 8)
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Bubbah » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:20 am

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Bubbah wrote:And thanks Kuma ... My ideas are just speculation and guessing at the moment haha. I'm really excited to see where it goes and how it plays out. Silas has got a lot to offer, and with the failures of only retrieving 1/4 of the relics (props to Soundwave), now is a perfect time for Silas to try to make an entrance into the Decepticon ranks.

My pleasure. And to be honest, what you said is the kind of things that have made me return here. Because it lets us actually look at the details given to us, and add it to what we already know. 8) That is something I love doing because for me, at least, it keeps my mind active and has me wonder what more they can do for the series. ;)

And I agree. Megatron knows that the Autobots have humans on their side. He also was told about a "Human girl" as well, which made no sense unless his informant knew she was sneaking around. So stuff like that should have him say "If they can do it, I can do it better!" And that, unless they do not go down that direction, can help lead them into the whole "Powermaster" concept.

Besides... That reminds me of the theory I had when it came to Starscream cloning Airachnid, using the clone to control the Insecticons. Because if MECH does join, he will need to amp up his chances to not only get revenge on both them and Megatron... But also regain full control of the Decepticons. 8)

Yeah it's fun to take things you see in a show and add your own parts to it they they either avoid, have to leave out because of time or just don't think of. But I will admit, I'm clueless as to what they've got planned for poor Starscream. He's the butt of jokes and a punching bag at this point ... Actually he reminds me a lot of Waspinator lol. I really hope they have a long term plan for him so he can redeem himself a bit and actually show off some of his potential badassness (yes that's a word, it's my story & I'm sticking to it haha).
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby KNM2012 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:31 am

Bubbah wrote:Yeah it's fun to take things you see in a show and add your own parts to it they they either avoid, have to leave out because of time or just don't think of. But I will admit, I'm clueless as to what they've got planned for poor Starscream. He's the butt of jokes and a punching bag at this point ... Actually he reminds me a lot of Waspinator lol. I really hope they have a long term plan for him so he can redeem himself a bit and actually show off some of his potential badassness (yes that's a word, it's my story & I'm sticking to it haha).

Besides my initial gut feeling that he'll try to get the Insecticon army on his side? I am wondering that too, as he is an essential character. :-?
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby KNM2012 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:22 pm

I actually have to give kudos for his thoughts on this. Because it feels good meeting those I was hoping to meet. But anywho... Here is what I was thinking and would like an opinion on this:

1) We know that Starscream has the Apex Armor, which originated with Powermaster Optimus Prime (who was a redeco of God Ginrai). We also know that it makes the user invincible, but we do not know its limits.

2) We know that Silas has been turned into a Tony Stark, and might be the first step towards a full-on Powermaster set-up. We also know that if he joins the Decepticons, MECH will become part of that faction.

3) We know that the Insecticons and Vehicons are at odds with each other. We also know that both a fragment of Airachnid has been left and that Shockwave is capable of returning.

Is it me or does this sound like Transformers PRIME is preparing to have Starscream go from a "Waspinator" to a serious threat to both the Autobots and Decepticons? :???:

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Bubbah » Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:22 am

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I actually have to give kudos for his thoughts on this. Because it feels good meeting those I was hoping to meet.

Is it me or does this sound like Transformers PRIME is preparing to have Starscream go from a "Waspinator" to a serious threat to both the Autobots and Decepticons? :???:

1) just out of curiosity, who?
2) yeah I was thinking that too, I really hope he becomes a bit of a badass for a lil while, I want to see him feared for a while.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:19 am

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I actually have to give kudos for his thoughts on this. Because it feels good meeting those I was hoping to meet.

Is it me or does this sound like Transformers PRIME is preparing to have Starscream go from a "Waspinator" to a serious threat to both the Autobots and Decepticons? :???:

1) just out of curiosity, who?
2) yeah I was thinking that too, I really hope he becomes a bit of a badass for a lil while, I want to see him feared for a while.

1) Sorry... I meant you. But I guess I was too preoccupied with how my birthday turned out in the end (it pulled a nice 180) that I forgot to mention that. :lol: Sorry about that.

2) I think what a lot of people forget is that he is a huge threat in the series. Even if he lacks the strength to validate his leadership skills, he has the know-how to get things done. So I also feel that his intellect could make him a complete badass, especially when he is given the right resources. 8)
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby Bubbah » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:58 am

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Bubbah wrote:
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I actually have to give kudos for his thoughts on this. Because it feels good meeting those I was hoping to meet.

Is it me or does this sound like Transformers PRIME is preparing to have Starscream go from a "Waspinator" to a serious threat to both the Autobots and Decepticons? :???:

1) just out of curiosity, who?
2) yeah I was thinking that too, I really hope he becomes a bit of a badass for a lil while, I want to see him feared for a while.

1) Sorry... I meant you. But I guess I was too preoccupied with how my birthday turned out in the end (it pulled a nice 180) that I forgot to mention that. :lol: Sorry about that.

2) I think what a lot of people forget is that he is a huge threat in the series. Even if he lacks the strength to validate his leadership skills, he has the know-how to get things done. So I also feel that his intellect could make him a complete badass, especially when he is given the right resources. 8)

Haha no worries man ... And happy birthday!

Oh he's got the potential to be a badass, but so far he's just ... Well, Waspinator is a great analogy you used haha. I would just like to see him hit that potential. Something big that has even Megatron exclaim that he underestimated Starscream.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby TheBossII » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:59 am

Mech Does have the Human element to seriously cause harm. They can also track the humans in a way decepticons don't quite know how to use :D.I could see mech going after miko's parents. Mech could provide megatron with some info about the autobots weakness etc. This could be an interesting episode or a complete dud.
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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby nikkinavarro » Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:52 pm

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:40 pm

nikkinavarro wrote:Soo. Silas is given another chance and he decides to join the decepticons. That is so him. Well I can't to see how that turns out. Who knows we might be getting into some headmasters here. :D

I'm still thinking 1st generation Powermaster, as the Headmasters would be a a very tricky element when it comes to the style this series is being done.

Then again... I could see MECH somehow making that happen. ;)

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby PrymeStriker » Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:51 pm

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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:03 pm

PrymeStriker wrote:
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
nikkinavarro wrote:Soo. Silas is given another chance and he decides to join the decepticons. That is so him. Well I can't to see how that turns out. Who knows we might be getting into some headmasters here. :D



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Re: Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 19 Title and Description "The Human Factor"

Postby nikkinavarro » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:21 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:
nikkinavarro wrote:Soo. Silas is given another chance and he decides to join the decepticons. That is so him. Well I can't to see how that turns out. Who knows we might be getting into some headmasters here. :D

I'm still thinking 1st generation Powermaster, as the Headmasters would be a a very tricky element when it comes to the style this series is being done.

Then again... I could see MECH somehow making that happen. ;)

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