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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Burn » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:26 pm

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Burn wrote:Still not sure where accessing the internet comes into video editting ...

Youtube tutorials, duh

And if the person claims they've done it before??11/??1??!11oneeleven??111?
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:52 pm

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MINDVVIPE wrote:
Burn wrote:Still not sure where accessing the internet comes into video editting ...

Youtube tutorials, duh

And if the person claims they've done it before??11/??1??!11oneeleven??111?


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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby dinogeist » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:06 pm

Burn wrote:Still not sure where accessing the internet comes into video editting ...

-edit-

Nor do I understand how cutting out ads would suddenly make the original quality deteriorate.


1- For me,my specialty is downloading internet movies or u-tube videos. thus a fast internet connection is needed. I also edit liscensed DVD movies. I then use edit software. then upload it on a blank recordable DVD disk.

2- cutting out ads & splicing scenes in a edit program won't make the original quality deteriorate. I was referring to the meager 2 minute exaggeraged time frame to get this done that cotcoss2012 said it can get done in. I explained that the companies hire professionals that take days/weeks/months to edit this stuff to make it look as superior as possible. Sorry I just don't see a quickie 2 minute edit job looking that great. 2 minutes is only 120 seconds to get the edit job done.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Burn » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:13 pm

Tidalwavex wrote:1- For me,my specialy is downloading internet movies or u-tube videos. thus a fast internet connection is needed.

ah see that makes more sense.

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2- cutting out ads & splicing scenes in a edit program won't make the original quality deteriorate. I was referring to the meager 2 minute exaggeraged time frame to get this done that cotcoss2012 said it can get done in. I explained the companies hire professionls that take days/weeks/months to edit this stuff to make it look as superior as possible. Sorry I just see a quickie 2 minute edit job looking horrible & amatuer. 2 minutes is only 120 seconds to get the edit job done.

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Sure,I have no doubt it can take under 2 minutes to cut out the intro's & outro's,but the quickie end result won't look top notch. people who really care about top quality will spend at least a hour making sure it's perfect & top notch quality.

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby dinogeist » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:26 pm

Burn wrote: Burn quoted a previous reply I wrote below.
Sure,I have no doubt it can take under 2 minutes to cut out the intro's & outro's,but the quickie end result won't look top notch. people who really care about top quality will spend at least a hour making sure it's perfect & top notch quality.

:???:


After some thinking after I wrote this reply above. I came to the conclusion that 2 minutes/120 seconds is too short of a time to edit out the intro's & outros's then splice everything together in under 2 minutes & produce a finsished project using edit software.

my whole reason for all my replies was to "question" the 2 minute/120 seconds time to get the edit job done.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:07 pm

MINDVVIPE wrote:Hey man, can you do me a favour and tell me how much actual time is spent showing the bots on screen? I've been curious for a long time as to how much time is on humans compared to the actual Transformers.


Sure, no problem. But are we talking just CGI robot time, or that plus real vehicle time? Because that movie must have at least an hour of General Motors product-placement... and if we're counting vehicle time, then are we counting "Sam and Mikaela talking to each other while Sam is driving Bumblebee" footage or "Mikaela admiring Bumblebee's fuel injectors" footage?

...

Never mind. The answer is that the robots are on-screen for precisely 42 seconds.

Tidalwavex wrote:Please,don't assume,I don't have any eperience in editting skills. I went to college & took courses on video editting.


My apologies. It was an easy mistake for me to make because what you were saying really made no sense in the context of what we were talking about.

Also, "editing" only has one "t" in it. They probably should have gone over that in class.

Tidalwavex wrote:Depending on your computer speed,memory & what you use to access the internet,The uploading & downloading time can be extremly slow or at a decent speed.


True, but video editing doesn't involve uploading or downloading anything, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. Yes, ripping DVD footage and preparing it to be edited using the most mathematically accurate method possible would require some third-party programs, but they're pretty damn small. Smartripper is less than half of a megabyte, AVISynth 2.5.8 is four megabytes, TMPEnc is 1.7 megs, and dgmpegdec is barely a third of a megabyte. This stuff downloads quickly even if you're using dial-up.

Tidalwavex wrote:i'd assume the TF Prime 5 part episodes are over 20 minutes each.


With intro and outro, they should be 22 minutes and 30 seconds.

Tidalwavex wrote:so the time is about 1 hour & 40 minutes waiting for the files on the computer to download on to a blank DVD.


You don't "download" to a DVD. You burn to a DVD. You download from this wonderful thing called the "Internet"...

Tidalwavex wrote:Sure,I have no doubt it can take under 2 minutes to cut out the intro's & outro's,but the quickie end result won't look top notch.


It will for those of us who already have the proper software suite :D

Okay, 2 minutes may have been a hyperbole. The process may, in fact, take as much as seven minutes if I've been drinking heavily.

Tidalwavex wrote:using a sharpie marker instead of a printed out label to place on my finished recored DVD isn't my style. if i'm gonna do this it's gotta look professional & not sharpie marker style.


So you're willing to pay $10 just so the disc has a pretty-looking label.

Well, it's your money, man.

Tidalwavex wrote:1- For me,my specialty is downloading internet movies or u-tube videos. thus a fast internet connection is needed.


Ah. And this has what relevance to a discussion about ripping footage from DVDs...?

Tidalwavex wrote:2- cutting out ads & splicing scenes in a edit program won't make the original quality deteriorate. I was referring to the meager 2 minute exaggeraged time frame to get this done that cotcoss2012 said it can get done in. I explained that the companies hire professionals that take days/weeks/months to edit this stuff to make it look as superior as possible.


Months? Just to cut out the intro and outro sequences? Dude, let me show you what I can do in literally four hours:

Yeah, it's not finished and I need to do something about the aspect ratio changes, but whatever. The bottom line is that if some takes "days/weeks/months" to splice five half-hour episodes of a TV show into a movie, then they spent days/weeks/months playing WoW and about two minutes doing their actual jobs.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Burn » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:43 pm

cotss2012 wrote:Also, "editing" only has one "t" in it. They probably should have gone over that in class.


I'm getting tired of seeing these little snipes from you. Quit it.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby MINDVVIPE » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:45 pm

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby bward » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:00 pm

I find it particularly amusing that you seem to think all we did was bump the episodes together. Unless you have unedited and unmixed audio stems and original shots without the commercial fades to black, you can't reproduce what was created for the feature-length version of Transformers: Prime - Darkness Rising. Oh, you can create an inferior knockoff, but that's exactly what it is.

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:29 pm

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bward wrote:I find it particularly amusing that you seem to think all we did was bump the episodes together. Unless you have unedited and unmixed audio stems and original shots without the commercial fades to black, you can't reproduce what was created for the feature-length version of Transformers: Prime - Darkness Rising. Oh, you can create an inferior knockoff, but that's exactly what it is.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:59 pm

bward wrote:you seem to think all we did...


"we"?

Sabrblade wrote:Thank you, Mr Ward, for...


"Mr. Ward"?
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby El Duque » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:12 pm

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bward wrote:you seem to think all we did...


"we"?

Sabrblade wrote:Thank you, Mr Ward, for...


"Mr. Ward"?


Brian Ward, the DVD director of Shout! Factory.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby dinogeist » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:51 pm

bward wrote:I find it particularly amusing that you seem to think all we did was bump the episodes together. Unless you have unedited and unmixed audio stems and original shots without the commercial fades to black, you can't reproduce what was created for the feature-length version of Transformers: Prime - Darkness Rising. Oh, you can create an inferior knockoff, but that's exactly what it is.

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Thank you Mrward,for explaining this better than I could.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:15 pm

So, Mr. Ward, what can we expect from these DVDs in terms of bitrate, placement of chapter breaks, etc.? I find that the quantization matrices typically used for DVDs emphasize preservation of detail via sharpening, which worsens dot crawl and causes gray "snow" to appear in areas that should be black, especially if you're encoding interlaced frames :\
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby bward » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:30 pm

For starters, no "Mr. Ward" necessary. I'm Brian.

Secondly, some of what you're talking about depends on three things: 1.) your player 2.) your TV and 3.) your connection. Some TVs have a hard time processing pure blacks, period, but even more so if they're connected to your DVD/Blu-ray player via a cable inferior to HDMI (i.e. RCAs, S-Video, etc.).

The average video bitrate for the DVDs will between 5.8 and 6.9 Mbps 2 pass VBR depending on the number of episodes on each disc. These episodes are 23.98, so there are no interlaced frames. As far as quantazation matrices of MPEG2 are concerned, the limitations of MPEG 2 are just that, limitations. Macroblocking is a neccessary evil of MPEG 2 compression, but our compression software is top notch and these issues should be very few and very far between.

The chapter breaks will be at all commercial breaks, including right after the opening titles.

As far as the Blu-rays, the average bitrate will be between 32-39 Mbps. AVC encoded. Clean as a whistle!

The chapter breaks of the feature-length version of the "Darkness Rising" miniseries came at appropriate intervals with titles, as opposed to commercial breaks, which were non-existent.

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:40 pm

bward wrote:Secondly, some of what you're talking about depends on three things: 1.) your player 2.) your TV and 3.) your connection. Some TVs have a hard time processing pure blacks, period, but even more so if they're connected to your DVD/Blu-ray player via a cable inferior to HDMI (i.e. RCAs, S-Video, etc.).


I don't actually have a DVD-player, and if I have a TV set, then it's been in my storage unit since 2007. I'm talking about stuff that's encoded into the actual bitstream, which I noticed while poking around with Virtualdub.

On a completely unrelated note, "Bitstream" would make an awesome name for a Transformer.

bward wrote:The average video bitrate for the DVDs will between 5.8 and 6.9 Mbps... depending on the number of episodes on each disc.


So only 4-5 episodes per disc? My Beast Machines DVDs mock you, sir (even if it makes more business sense to use 6 single-layer discs than 4 dual-layer discs...)

bward wrote:2 pass VBR... These episodes are 23.98, so there are no interlaced frames.


Awesome =P~

bward wrote:As far as quantazation matrices of MPEG2 are concerned, the limitations of MPEG 2 are just that, limitations. Macroblocking is a neccessary evil of MPEG 2 compression, but our compression software is top notch and these issues should be very few and very far between.


That's not what I was asking. At high bitrates, you don't really need to worry about macroblocking; your big concern, as long as you're not encoding interlaced frames, is whether your chosen matrix tends to smooth or sharpen the image, as that determines the kinds of compression artifacts that you'll get. I've always found mosquito noise and similar "detail that shouldn't be there" effects to be more noticeable and annoying than a slight loss of detail. QMs can also be specifically engineered for live-action, cel animation, CGI, or other content (like credits). That's generally the domain of people who know even more about this stuff than I do, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you guys didn't fiddle around with it.

bward wrote:The chapter breaks will be at all commercial breaks, including right after the opening titles.


So the opening titles and the preceding minute or two of actual Transformery goodness will be a single chapter? Darn.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby bward » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:07 pm

So only 4-5 episodes per disc? My Beast Machines DVDs mock you, sir (even if it makes more business sense to use 6 single-layer discs than 4 dual-layer discs...)


Not sure how Beast Machines has the right to mock anything. Who said anything about 4-5 episodes per disc??? Per the press release at the head of this thread, both the DVD and Blu-ray collections are 4-disc sets and there are 26 episodes in the first season, so I'm not sure how that boils down to 4-5 episodes each.


So the opening titles and the preceding minute or two of actual Transformery goodness will be a single chapter? Darn.


Outside of a simple desire to skip anything but the opening titles, I can't really see why you'd want the opening as its own chapter. Presumably, you'd watch the teaser and--at most--skip the opening titles. But if you guys really want to be able to just watch the song over and over... I'm sure I can arrange that.

Bottom line is that these are going to look and sound phenomenal.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby MINDVVIPE » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:09 pm

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bward wrote:Bottom line is that these are going to look and sound phenomenal.


Glad to hear; your efforts are much appreciated dude. :CON:
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby bward » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:14 pm

That's generally the domain of people who know even more about this stuff than I do, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you guys didn't fiddle around with it.


A bit condescending; don't you think? How do you know I'm not one of those people?

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Now... Back to my own set of forums.

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby LOST Cybertronian » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:19 pm

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:38 pm

bward wrote:Per the press release at the head of this thread, both the DVD and Blu-ray collections are 4-disc sets and there are 26 episodes in the first season, so I'm not sure how that boils down to 4-5 episodes each.


Well, I just noticed that the upper cited bitrate was ~20% more than the lower cited bitrate, which would only make sense if some discs had 20% more episodes than the others. However, I just now realized that if you're doing 6-7 episodes per disc, then the difference in bitrates would be ~17%, which is also pretty close to the spread that you gave.

bward wrote:Outside of a simple desire to skip anything but the opening titles, I can't really see why you'd want the opening as its own chapter. Presumably, you'd watch the teaser and--at most--skip the opening titles.


Again, you're thinking in terms of TV users... some of us are going to end up with 26 copies of the opening credits on our hard drives, when we really only need one copy.

Purely for private home exhibition, of course.

bward wrote:A bit condescending; don't you think? How do you know I'm not one of those people?


I don't know for sure, but it was strongly indicated by the vagueness of your response about the quantization matrices. It's not condescending, either. I was referring to the most extreme enthusiasts, the people who want to compress Superman II: the Richard Donner Cut down to a 699 MB Matroska file with Ogg Vorbis audio and absolutely, positively, have to make it look as perfect as possible within those parameters. There are different pressures at work when you have the luxury of encoding something at 6 MBPS and you're restricted to DVD-compatible MPEG-2.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:47 am

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cotss2012 wrote:On a completely unrelated note, "Bitstream" would make an awesome name for a Transformer.
There is one. He's a Decepticon Seeker. ;)

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:07 am

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cotss2012 wrote:On a completely unrelated note, "Bitstream" would make an awesome name for a Transformer.
There is one. He's a Decepticon Seeker. ;)


Licensed fanfictions (which is basically what written continuities amount to) don't count.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:33 am

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cotss2012 wrote:
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cotss2012 wrote:On a completely unrelated note, "Bitstream" would make an awesome name for a Transformer.
There is one. He's a Decepticon Seeker. ;)


Licensed fanfictions (which is basically what written continuities amount to) don't count.
What are you talking about?
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Postby cotss2012 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:16 pm

I'm talking about the fact that any Joe Dumbass can write a Transformers book with little or no oversight from Hasbro as long as they get the license, so they might as well be fanfics, whereas the "screen" continuities are much more collaborative, "professional", and planned out with more involvement from Hasbro.
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