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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:59 pm

bward wrote:you seem to think all we did...


"we"?

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"Mr. Ward"?
I do not blame Michael Bay for crapping all over a huge part of my childhood. He just directed the scripts that were given to him. I blame Orci, Kurtzman, and Krueger, who seem completely incapable of concocting a story that even halfway makes sense.

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby El Duque » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:12 pm

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bward wrote:you seem to think all we did...


"we"?

Sabrblade wrote:Thank you, Mr Ward, for...


"Mr. Ward"?


Brian Ward, the DVD director of Shout! Factory.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby dinogeist » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:51 pm

bward wrote:I find it particularly amusing that you seem to think all we did was bump the episodes together. Unless you have unedited and unmixed audio stems and original shots without the commercial fades to black, you can't reproduce what was created for the feature-length version of Transformers: Prime - Darkness Rising. Oh, you can create an inferior knockoff, but that's exactly what it is.

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:15 pm

So, Mr. Ward, what can we expect from these DVDs in terms of bitrate, placement of chapter breaks, etc.? I find that the quantization matrices typically used for DVDs emphasize preservation of detail via sharpening, which worsens dot crawl and causes gray "snow" to appear in areas that should be black, especially if you're encoding interlaced frames :\
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby bward » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:30 pm

For starters, no "Mr. Ward" necessary. I'm Brian.

Secondly, some of what you're talking about depends on three things: 1.) your player 2.) your TV and 3.) your connection. Some TVs have a hard time processing pure blacks, period, but even more so if they're connected to your DVD/Blu-ray player via a cable inferior to HDMI (i.e. RCAs, S-Video, etc.).

The average video bitrate for the DVDs will between 5.8 and 6.9 Mbps 2 pass VBR depending on the number of episodes on each disc. These episodes are 23.98, so there are no interlaced frames. As far as quantazation matrices of MPEG2 are concerned, the limitations of MPEG 2 are just that, limitations. Macroblocking is a neccessary evil of MPEG 2 compression, but our compression software is top notch and these issues should be very few and very far between.

The chapter breaks will be at all commercial breaks, including right after the opening titles.

As far as the Blu-rays, the average bitrate will be between 32-39 Mbps. AVC encoded. Clean as a whistle!

The chapter breaks of the feature-length version of the "Darkness Rising" miniseries came at appropriate intervals with titles, as opposed to commercial breaks, which were non-existent.

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:40 pm

bward wrote:Secondly, some of what you're talking about depends on three things: 1.) your player 2.) your TV and 3.) your connection. Some TVs have a hard time processing pure blacks, period, but even more so if they're connected to your DVD/Blu-ray player via a cable inferior to HDMI (i.e. RCAs, S-Video, etc.).


I don't actually have a DVD-player, and if I have a TV set, then it's been in my storage unit since 2007. I'm talking about stuff that's encoded into the actual bitstream, which I noticed while poking around with Virtualdub.

On a completely unrelated note, "Bitstream" would make an awesome name for a Transformer.

bward wrote:The average video bitrate for the DVDs will between 5.8 and 6.9 Mbps... depending on the number of episodes on each disc.


So only 4-5 episodes per disc? My Beast Machines DVDs mock you, sir (even if it makes more business sense to use 6 single-layer discs than 4 dual-layer discs...)

bward wrote:2 pass VBR... These episodes are 23.98, so there are no interlaced frames.


Awesome =P~

bward wrote:As far as quantazation matrices of MPEG2 are concerned, the limitations of MPEG 2 are just that, limitations. Macroblocking is a neccessary evil of MPEG 2 compression, but our compression software is top notch and these issues should be very few and very far between.


That's not what I was asking. At high bitrates, you don't really need to worry about macroblocking; your big concern, as long as you're not encoding interlaced frames, is whether your chosen matrix tends to smooth or sharpen the image, as that determines the kinds of compression artifacts that you'll get. I've always found mosquito noise and similar "detail that shouldn't be there" effects to be more noticeable and annoying than a slight loss of detail. QMs can also be specifically engineered for live-action, cel animation, CGI, or other content (like credits). That's generally the domain of people who know even more about this stuff than I do, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you guys didn't fiddle around with it.

bward wrote:The chapter breaks will be at all commercial breaks, including right after the opening titles.


So the opening titles and the preceding minute or two of actual Transformery goodness will be a single chapter? Darn.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby bward » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:07 pm

So only 4-5 episodes per disc? My Beast Machines DVDs mock you, sir (even if it makes more business sense to use 6 single-layer discs than 4 dual-layer discs...)


Not sure how Beast Machines has the right to mock anything. Who said anything about 4-5 episodes per disc??? Per the press release at the head of this thread, both the DVD and Blu-ray collections are 4-disc sets and there are 26 episodes in the first season, so I'm not sure how that boils down to 4-5 episodes each.


So the opening titles and the preceding minute or two of actual Transformery goodness will be a single chapter? Darn.


Outside of a simple desire to skip anything but the opening titles, I can't really see why you'd want the opening as its own chapter. Presumably, you'd watch the teaser and--at most--skip the opening titles. But if you guys really want to be able to just watch the song over and over... I'm sure I can arrange that.

Bottom line is that these are going to look and sound phenomenal.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby MINDVVIPE » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:09 pm

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bward wrote:Bottom line is that these are going to look and sound phenomenal.


Glad to hear; your efforts are much appreciated dude. :CON:
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby bward » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:14 pm

That's generally the domain of people who know even more about this stuff than I do, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if you guys didn't fiddle around with it.


A bit condescending; don't you think? How do you know I'm not one of those people?

Mindvvipe -- Thanks, sir! Really wanting to make fans proud.


Now... Back to my own set of forums.

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby LOST Cybertronian » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:19 pm

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:38 pm

bward wrote:Per the press release at the head of this thread, both the DVD and Blu-ray collections are 4-disc sets and there are 26 episodes in the first season, so I'm not sure how that boils down to 4-5 episodes each.


Well, I just noticed that the upper cited bitrate was ~20% more than the lower cited bitrate, which would only make sense if some discs had 20% more episodes than the others. However, I just now realized that if you're doing 6-7 episodes per disc, then the difference in bitrates would be ~17%, which is also pretty close to the spread that you gave.

bward wrote:Outside of a simple desire to skip anything but the opening titles, I can't really see why you'd want the opening as its own chapter. Presumably, you'd watch the teaser and--at most--skip the opening titles.


Again, you're thinking in terms of TV users... some of us are going to end up with 26 copies of the opening credits on our hard drives, when we really only need one copy.

Purely for private home exhibition, of course.

bward wrote:A bit condescending; don't you think? How do you know I'm not one of those people?


I don't know for sure, but it was strongly indicated by the vagueness of your response about the quantization matrices. It's not condescending, either. I was referring to the most extreme enthusiasts, the people who want to compress Superman II: the Richard Donner Cut down to a 699 MB Matroska file with Ogg Vorbis audio and absolutely, positively, have to make it look as perfect as possible within those parameters. There are different pressures at work when you have the luxury of encoding something at 6 MBPS and you're restricted to DVD-compatible MPEG-2.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:47 am

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cotss2012 wrote:On a completely unrelated note, "Bitstream" would make an awesome name for a Transformer.
There is one. He's a Decepticon Seeker. ;)

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:07 am

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cotss2012 wrote:On a completely unrelated note, "Bitstream" would make an awesome name for a Transformer.
There is one. He's a Decepticon Seeker. ;)


Licensed fanfictions (which is basically what written continuities amount to) don't count.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:33 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
cotss2012 wrote:On a completely unrelated note, "Bitstream" would make an awesome name for a Transformer.
There is one. He's a Decepticon Seeker. ;)


Licensed fanfictions (which is basically what written continuities amount to) don't count.
What are you talking about?
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:16 pm

I'm talking about the fact that any Joe Dumbass can write a Transformers book with little or no oversight from Hasbro as long as they get the license, so they might as well be fanfics, whereas the "screen" continuities are much more collaborative, "professional", and planned out with more involvement from Hasbro.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby MINDVVIPE » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:20 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:I'm talking about the fact that any Joe Dumbass can write a Transformers book with little or no oversight from Hasbro as long as they get the license, so they might as well be fanfics, whereas the "screen" continuities are much more collaborative, "professional", and planned out with more involvement from Hasbro.


I disagree. If anything, the shows are less about the characters and their stories as it is about promoting the brand and its product line compared to the comics. Not to mention, the writers of these "fan-fictions" know WAY more about everything Transformers than most of the people involved with making the shows. Speaking generally of course, but the shows were more targeted towards kids, where as the comics are targeted to both kids and adults (obvious from the gratuitous violence in some panels).
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:24 pm

Exodus isn't a comic, dude.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby MINDVVIPE » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:32 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:Exodus isn't a comic, dude.


Well, comics are also continuities, so I thought you were referring to them all, but alright, including the books. My point still remains.

The movies were overseen directly by hasbro yet its tottaly ****ed story wise/continuity wise. I don't see how things like comics or books with their own unique take can differ in acceptance when Hasbro's own various TF shows are so wildly different from each other. If they themselves don't take the subject matter so seriously, kinda hard to understand why you'd default to the shows being the defining material for acceptance. But whatever I guess. Comics still pwn the shows (can't comment on the books as I haven't read them). With that attitude, you probably don't get to enjoy some of the well written mosaics on here... I love them coz they add even more lore to parts of a story that haven't been fully told/explained, and I accept them as kosher (until a better explanation comes along, haha).

If you consider multiple dimensions, everything is possible... every fan fic is real. :P
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:25 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:I'm talking about the fact that any Joe Dumbass can write a Transformers book with little or no oversight from Hasbro as long as they get the license, so they might as well be fanfics, whereas the "screen" continuities are much more collaborative, "professional", and planned out with more involvement from Hasbro.
Wow. Just, wow. >:oP

I've met some pretty ignorant folk in my days, but this just takes the cake.

Do you have any idea what went into producing Exodus? Do you have any idea how thoroughly involved Hasbro was in crafting its story for the author to write? Who are you to talk about "professionalism" when you yourself seem to have no idea what's going on here?

For your information, Exodus and Exiles (thus far) form the cemented backbone of the whole Aligned Continuity, being derived directly from the Binder of Revelation itself. War for Cybertron, Fall of Cybertron, and Prime are merely the icing on the cake.

It was Hasbro (specifically Aaron Archer and Rik Alvarez) who created this story, and it was Hasbro who commissioned Alex Irvine to write the story they wanted to tell.

And secondly, where in the name of all that make sense in this world do you get off declaring that the cartoons and movies hold the highest canon precedence of all Transformers fiction? Are you that bigoted that you see anything and everything else as lesser mediums of canon? Let me put it to straightforward: Everything is canon! Every single stinkin' piece of TF fiction released by or under the license of Hasbro and/or TakaraTomy is canon to The Transformers. There is not one single continuity, but a vast multiverse of millions of continuities. There is no way you can say that anything that isn't a cartoon or a movie isn't real TF fiction, because that's exactly what they are.

And, a lot of times, the non-cartoon/movie fiction turns out to be superior to its cartoon/movie counterpart. Take the Armada/Energon comics from Dreamwave, for instance. While those cartoons were very much subpar, the comics were well above and beyond average, telling very interesting, epic, and mature (but not "adult") stories that pretty much mopped the floor with the cartoon versions.

And look at the Movieverse comics. Reading those along with watching the movies actually improves the movie-watching experience since the comics explain things and tell stories untold in the films themselves, which helps you get a better overall view of what the Movie Continuity is like. Like, did you ever wonder what happened to Barricade right after Movie 1? Or how about how everyone even got to Earth in the first place? Or why Starscream has tattoos in ROTF when he didn't beforehand? Or how Megatron came into the service of The Fallen? It's all there in the comics.

You can choose to ignore everything that isn't a show or the movie, that's fine. But it's only making you miss out on plenty of things that you can't get from a show or a movie. If you want to remain in the dark about so much, go ahead. As for the rest of us, we will continue to enjoy all the many facets of the Transformers franchise as we like, regardless of your opinion.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:45 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Do you have any idea what went into producing Exodus?


I'm guessing that paper and ink were involved at some point.

Sabrblade wrote:Do you have any idea how thoroughly involved Hasbro was in crafting its story for the author to write?


Not a clue :grin:

Sabrblade wrote:For your information, Exodus and Exiles (thus far) form the cemented backbone of the whole Aligned Continuity, being derived directly from the Binder of Revelation itself. War for Cybertron, Fall of Cybertron, and Prime are merely the icing on the cake.


Okay... so... why do Megatron, Starscream, Bumblebee, Arcee, etc. look almost nothing alike between WfC and Prime? Why does Dark Energon have completely different properties between WfC and Prime? I assume there's some convoluted explanation, but it just doesn't seem as "aligned" as the name suggests.

Sabrblade wrote:It was Hasbro (specifically Aaron Archer and Rik Alvarez) who created this story, and it was Hasbro who commissioned Alex Irvine to write the story they wanted to tell.


Okay, you win.

Sabrblade wrote:Like, did you ever wonder what happened to Barricade right after Movie 1?


No. The general assumption at the time was that all of Evil Prowl's appearances after getting curb-stomped by Mumblebee were continuity errors, much like Skywarp and Thundercracker being present at Starscream's coronation in TFTM.

Sabrblade wrote:Or how about how everyone even got to Earth in the first place?


The movies made it clear that they tend to arrive in the form of flying turds.

Sabrblade wrote:Or why Starscream has tattoos in ROTF when he didn't beforehand?


No. I was too confused by the continuity errors to worry about things that were unexplained but didn't really seem inconsistent with anything.

Sabrblade wrote:Or how Megatron came into the service of The Fallen?


Sorry, too busy trying to reconcile "Megatron started the war because of teh cube" with "The Fallen started the war because of teh matrix".
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:49 am

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cotss2012 wrote:Not a clue :grin:
My point exactly.

cotss2012 wrote:Okay... so... why do Megatron, Starscream, Bumblebee, Arcee, etc. look almost nothing alike between WfC and Prime? Why does Dark Energon have completely different properties between WfC and Prime? I assume there's some convoluted explanation, but it just doesn't seem as "aligned" as the name suggests.
Because Hasbro gave both the game creators and the show creators enough leeway for each to tell their own stories without having to rely too much on what the other party was doing. Basically, they each come with an idea for their respective stories, and then consult with Hasbro on whether or not they can use it, and/or how they can fit it in with contradicting Hasbro's overall plans for this continuity.

The two settings are spread apart by million and millions of years, which WFC/Exodus/Exiles/FOC set in the far ancient past, and Prime set in the present era. As more fiction is produced, there will be more connections made between the two time periods. For example, FOC uses the Prime designs of Cliffjumper's head, Optimus' gun, and the Nemesis. And Exiles added in Prime characters (such as Bulkhead, Makeshift, Wheeljack, Vehicons, etc.) to its roster, complete with the backstory info we knew about them in the show (Bulkhead a former Wrecker, Wheeljack a current Wrecker, etc.). After all, the season 1 finale of Prime made numerous callbacks to both Exodus and WFC that should now make their connection obvious.

As for those specific inquiries, body design changes aren't anything new in The Transformers. And Megatron's Generations toy bio states that he's always upgrading his body, which also jibes with how he's getting a new design in FOC.

With Dark Energon, notice how the show calls it the "Blood of Unicron", whereas the stuff in the games/books was called the "Sparks of Unicron". It can be assumed that the two may be different variants of Dark Energon. Not to mention that the Dark Energon in the show was a new supply from a different source than the Dark Energon of the games/books.

cotss2012 wrote:No. The general assumption at the time was that all of Evil Prowl's appearances after getting curb-stomped by Mumblebee were continuity errors, much like Skywarp and Thundercracker being present at Starscream's coronation in TFTM.
We last see him driving down the highway with Bonecrusher and Brawl. He swerves off the side till he disappears off screen, and then we see Optimus and Bonecrusher tussle. What we don't see is what had become of Barricade: He tried to go after Bumblebee again, but Ironhide took him out instead, causing him to crash off the side of the road and go offline. Starscream later came by after the Mission City battle and reactivated Barricade to serve him. More events followed between this time and the time when we see him in DOTM.

cotss2012 wrote:The movies made it clear that they tend to arrive in the form of flying turds.
But we never see how the Decepticons got there first. Or Bumblebee. Plus, only Bumblebee and Megatron flew there by themselves. The rest of the Movie 1 cast came in the Ark (not the same one from DOTM) and the Nemesis (not the same one from ROTF). While we don't know what happened to the Ark, we know that Starscream parked the Nemesis on Mars while he took a squadron down to Earth to search for the AllSpark (the rest of the crew stayed with the ship).

cotss2012 wrote:No. I was too confused by the continuity errors to worry about things that were unexplained but didn't really seem inconsistent with anything.
Yeah. :lol:

Though, even some of those continuity errors were explained in the comics too (though, there were still a few that were just too stupid to explain ;) ).

cotss2012 wrote:Sorry, too busy trying to reconcile "Megatron started the war because of teh cube" with "The Fallen started the war because of teh matrix".
That all has to do with how Megatron came to serve The Fallen. The Fallen wanted the AllSpark's power and thus needed the Matrix to get it. But, he failed to take its power and so was imprisoned in his own sarcophagus by the other Primes. When his sarcophagus was discovered years later by the Autobots, it came into Megatron's possession. The Fallen went all Emperor Palpatine on Megatron, promising him power and filling him with delusions of grandeur. Now The Fallen's pupil, Megatron restarted the conflict over the AllSpark that his master had originally begun ages ago, naming his faction of followers after The Fallen's own group of followers: Decepticons.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:46 pm

So in other words, freelancers had to concoct huge amounts of bullshit to fill in the gaps in some not-very-well-planned-out "continuities", and even then, a lot of stuff was left to fan speculation.

See, this is why I prefer to sidestep anything that isn't a toy or a toy commercial. Fewer continuities = fewer continuity errors.

not that this will stop me from buying a legit copy of WFC so I can play as Slipstream in multiplayer...
I do not blame Michael Bay for crapping all over a huge part of my childhood. He just directed the scripts that were given to him. I blame Orci, Kurtzman, and Krueger, who seem completely incapable of concocting a story that even halfway makes sense.

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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby dinogeist » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:33 pm

cotss2012 wrote:So in other words, freelancers had to concoct huge amounts of bullshit to fill in the gaps in some not-very-well-planned-out "continuities", and even then, a lot of stuff was left to fan speculation.

See, this is why I prefer to sidestep anything that isn't a toy or a toy commercial. Fewer continuities = fewer continuity errors.

not that this will stop me from buying a legit copy of WFC so I can play as Slipstream in multiplayer...


IMHO,Their not Freelancers. a freelancer is a person who gets a temporay hire to do a specific job.

IMHO,most of the writters that help create & flesh out stories from hasbro. have permanent based jobs.

IMHO,most of the writters that help create video game stories & flesh out the characters in the game are permanent wokers of the video game company.

IMHO,From what I've read on the internet,more design sketch artist do freelance work. most writters have permanet jobs & get asked to write cartoon episodes for the entire cartoon series their being asked to write story episodes for.

IMHO,since most video games are one huge movie that gamers play & solve. the writters of these video game stories are not considerd freelancers. as these video game writters help create the story from start to finish. most of these video game writters are permanent employees of the company,they work on new projects all the time when they complete the previous project.
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:26 am

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cotss2012 wrote:So in other words, freelancers had to concoct huge amounts of bullshit to fill in the gaps in some not-very-well-planned-out "continuities", and even then, a lot of stuff was left to fan speculation.

See, this is why I prefer to sidestep anything that isn't a toy or a toy commercial. Fewer continuities = fewer continuity errors.

not that this will stop me from buying a legit copy of WFC so I can play as Slipstream in multiplayer...


IMHO,Their not Freelancers. a freelancer is a person who gets a temporay hire to do a specific job.

IMHO,most of the writters that help create & flesh out stories from hasbro. have permanent based jobs.

IMHO,most of the writters that help create video game stories & flesh out the characters in the game are permanent wokers of the video game company.

IMHO,From what I've read on the internet,more design sketch artist do freelance work. most writters have permanet jobs & get asked to write cartoon episodes for the entire cartoon series their being asked to write story episodes for.

IMHO,since most video games are one huge movie that gamers play & solve. the writters of these video game stories are not considerd freelancers. as these video game writters help create the story from start to finish. most of these video game writters are permanent employees of the company,they work on new projects all the time when they complete the previous project.
Once again, Cotss proves he doesn't know as much as he let's on. The writers of all Transformers fiction do it as part of their professional careers as writers of fiction, not as temp jobs. Comic writer Simon Furman, in fact, has probably more contributions to TF fiction that any other writer ever, as it was he who established many iconic stories and many iconic aspects such as the nature of the Matrix of Leadership, Unicron's true origin as a god, Primus in general, etc. Why, he even wrote the final Beast Wars episode "Nemesis, Part 2".
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Re: Transformers Prime the Complete First Season Coming to Blu-ray and DVD

Postby cotss2012 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:21 am

Sabrblade wrote:The writers of all Transformers fiction do it as part of their professional careers as writers of fiction, not as temp jobs.


How many people specifically have had long-term jobs writing Transformers fiction, though? Nobody hires a doctor or seamstress to write for these shows/games/books/etc.

Sabrblade wrote:Simon Furman... wrote the final Beast Wars episode "Nemesis, Part 2".


Yes, I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that in another thread.
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