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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby F Prime » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:09 pm

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Banjo-Tron wrote:I thought the issue was pretty good. I was sad to see 3 characters bite the big one, and I can't quite accept that the remaining 15 issues will not feature Megatron in some shape or form. But why did Prime kill Megatron when he didn't know that Auntie was beaten? He could have easily subdued him, seeing as he kept ripping bits of him off. He took a punt that Megatron was bluffing, or he just didn't care about obliterating the earth and all his comrades? Is he that jaded?

Also, I get the feeling that Starscream may still be alive, seeing as he had some concept of what was going on. Otherwise, that whole sub-plot was a red herring. Hopefully we will see more of him. I'm irritated that Spike survived as well, and was hoping that he would have died destroying Auntie. Circuit Smasher sucks.

I think it's amazing that in 5 issues not a great deal has happened, IMO. I guess that is modern comic techniques for you; lots of decompression everywhere. Still, it was a decent story arc and I can't wait for the next. The trade paperback is now up for pre-order as well.


I am guessing that the missiles would have flown had Megatron been subdued. Maybe that would have been part of the "stalemate option" Megatron mentioned? I interpreted that to mean that if no one killed the other *and* it didn't look like that was going to happen then launch away.
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby burning_sirius » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:47 am

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norwichchris wrote:I bought this wednesday and felt it was good end to the story and was very glad to see Galvatron return at the end.

The part with Ratchet was also very well done, glad they did something with that where as in Generation two they totally ignored it completely.

The real question is will the zombie decepticons come back to life as Galvatrons new army? I really do hope that he does have a fight with Optimus Prime in the end he should do.

Scorponok I was kinda hoping he wouldn't come back again as his time has passed for good and did have a really good death scene with Unicron burning him alive whilst defending Cybertron.


From the solicitations, 'the dark reign of Scorponok' will be brutal. I mean Rodimus and crew will be forced underground as a resistance and Autobot dominance will end. I got in a debate where people said 'This will be Maximum Dinobots all over again'. Guess they were wrong given what we know.

That said, I view that as Zarak's arc rather than Scroponok's proper arc. We will find out what happens to the original Scroponok and see if or any influence Zarak had on him still lingers. Scroponok is like the inverse of Optimus Prime. Hi-Q definitely had an impact on him as he was reborn from him.
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:11 am

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burning_sirius wrote:...see if any influence Zarak had on him still lingers.


There's no influence from Zarak on Scorponok. They were never connected. Zarak just basically hijacked Scorponok's body, and now he has a new one. The Prime/Hi-Q comparison doesn't really apply. Headmasters and Powermasters are completely different in the way they combine and what the purpose of that combination is.
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby burning_sirius » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:06 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:
There's no influence from Zarak on Scorponok. They were never connected. Zarak just basically hijacked Scorponok's body, and now he has a new one. The Prime/Hi-Q comparison doesn't really apply. Headmasters and Powermasters are completely different in the way they combine and what the purpose of that combination is.


Both use binary bonding.
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:53 am

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burning_sirius wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
There's no influence from Zarak on Scorponok. They were never connected. Zarak just basically hijacked Scorponok's body, and now he has a new one. The Prime/Hi-Q comparison doesn't really apply. Headmasters and Powermasters are completely different in the way they combine and what the purpose of that combination is.


Both use binary bonding.


OK, I'll give you that 1. After further thought, I also wonder how Zarak's and Spike's bonding were different. They were both Headmasters, but while Spike and Max struggled to coexist, Zarak was in complete control of Scorponok's body. Did the entirety of Scorponok's consciousness remain on Nebulos, unlike Maximus? Is that why he had no trouble re-emerging so easily? Hopefully this will be explained in the upcoming issues.
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby skyshadowprimus » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:06 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
burning_sirius wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
There's no influence from Zarak on Scorponok. They were never connected. Zarak just basically hijacked Scorponok's body, and now he has a new one. The Prime/Hi-Q comparison doesn't really apply. Headmasters and Powermasters are completely different in the way they combine and what the purpose of that combination is.


Both use binary bonding.


OK, I'll give you that 1. After further thought, I also wonder how Zarak's and Spike's bonding were different. They were both Headmasters, but while Spike and Max struggled to coexist, Zarak was in complete control of Scorponok's body. Did the entirety of Scorponok's consciousness remain on Nebulos, unlike Maximus? Is that why he had no trouble re-emerging so easily? Hopefully this will be explained in the upcoming issues.


My thoughts were always that Spike formed Cerebros's head which in turn then formed Fort Max's head so even without Spike you have Fort Max's head albeit incomplete. You can look at it two different ways, either Cerebros makes a full Fort Max head comeplete with brain module or Spike would need to be at the centre.

I'm of the opinion it's the former as you remember Fort Max was shown with a head with Spike on his shoulder wearing his helmet and even talked, so perhaps he did not need Spike to form his head for him to have some independent thought and action?

The difference with Zarak was without him Scorponok had no head whatsoever, and even referred to himself as Zarak rather than Scorponok so it could have been Zarak did literally make use of Scorponok's body.

Guess we need SF to actually address this in the upcoming story
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby Rodimus Prime » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:08 pm

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skyshadowprimus wrote:My thoughts were always that Spike formed Cerebros's head which in turn then formed Fort Max's head so even without Spike you have Fort Max's head albeit incomplete. You can look at it two different ways, either Cerebros makes a full Fort Max head comeplete with brain module or Spike would need to be at the centre.

I'm of the opinion it's the former as you remember Fort Max was shown with a head with Spike on his shoulder wearing his helmet and even talked, so perhaps he did not need Spike to form his head for him to have some independent thought and action?


I think it's the latter, that's why Spike needed the helmet. It put him in control of Max, even though he wasn't attached to Cerebros physically. Otherwise, Max wouldn't have responded, even though his head (Cerebros) was actually in place. It wasn't complete, because Spike wasn't transformed into Cerebros' head.

The difference with Zarak was without him Scorponok had no head whatsoever, and even referred to himself as Zarak rather than Scorponok so it could have been Zarak did literally make use of Scorponok's body.


Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Also, IIRC, Cerebros didn't become part of Max until Galen had Max's body enlarged on the trip from Nebulos to Earth. Thus the need for a head-enlargement, because Galen (and later Spike) would have been too small by himself as Max's head. Thus the double headmaster.

Guess we need SF to actually address this in the upcoming story


Yeah, I hope he puts a little meat on the bones in the new stories, instead of just using the next 15 issues to tie loose ends up. Even though the quality and pacing of the story is subpar to the original Gen 1 stuff. Still better than anything else I've seen so far.
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby skyshadowprimus » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:08 am

Rodimus Prime wrote: Yeah, I hope he puts a little meat on the bones in the new stories, instead of just using the next 15 issues to tie loose ends up. Even though the quality and pacing of the story is subpar to the original Gen 1 stuff. Still better than anything else I've seen so far.


I've said on some other forums that I think the problem with Regen is that 20 years ago when we were children once you bought the comic and read the letters page, aside from friends at school you had very little exposure to anything to keep your attention on the story. Now with the internet and forums and the like everyone is talking about the issues building up the hype of each issue which I always feel will be an anti-climax.

I agree the pacing has been a little slow but I'm a firm believer that had I read issues 81-85 as a child after the Marvel run I wouldn't be nearly so critical now and on the same note I hold the original comics in some kind of religious esteem as they are my treasured childhood memories and it's hard to review them objectively as an adult.

I think SF will come good on the story, his style has always been a slow burn on laying the threads and plots, then some twists and turns with the last 1/3 of the saga always filled with exciting plot twists and developments with a huge pay off.

Think of the UK stuff with Fallen Angel back in Feb 1987 that plot spanned two years finally culminating in Time Wars in 1989, it's what SF does best
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby Rodimus Prime » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:02 am

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skyshadowprimus wrote: I hold the original comics in some kind of religious esteem as they are my treasured childhood memories and it's hard to review them objectively as an adult.


I'm the same way. I'd put the Marvel G1 story up against any other TF continuity (especially Furman's run) and have it come out ahead.

Think of the UK stuff with Fallen Angel back in Feb 1987 that plot spanned two years finally culminating in Time Wars in 1989, it's what SF does best


Never read the UK stuff. I tried to, but the art is hideous, it put me off too much.
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby skyshadowprimus » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:12 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
skyshadowprimus wrote:
Think of the UK stuff with Fallen Angel back in Feb 1987 that plot spanned two years finally culminating in Time Wars in 1989, it's what SF does best


Never read the UK stuff. I tried to, but the art is hideous, it put me off too much.


Really depends on the Artist, Jeff Anderson's gentle pencils always made for a good story, then moving onto Bryan Hitch for a bit grittier, Dan Reed's was a bit bendy and weird but enjoyable and then you have messers Senior and Sullivan with very aggressive and high energy scenes, but this is not everyone's cup of tea.

It's like anything if you grew up with it you're a lot less critical of it as a child, but either way start with Fallen Angel and try reading the main issue of:

Fallen Angel
Wanted Galvatron Dead or Alive
Burning Sky
Hunters
Fire on High
Ancient Relics (crossover with Action Force/GiJoe)
Headhunt
Ladies Night
Legacy of Unicron
Enemy Action
Salvage
City of Fear
Legion of the Lost
Meltdown
Wrecking Havoc
Space Pirates
Time Wars

In that order, the art on all of these stories is pretty good (IMO) and you've got a rich 2 years worth of plot threads that really showcase all the future characters.

Course if the art isn't your thing I appreciate you won't get the enjoyment out of them but I think you're missing out on some classic stories here :)
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Re: Transformers: Regeneration One #85 Preview

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:12 am

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Yeah, I heard about Space Pirates and Time Wars. But, ironically, the blocky art doesn't appeal to me much. I'm too accustomed to Wildman's stuff and the US version of Marvel.
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