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Noideaforaname wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:You do know Michael Bay is Jewish, right?

As is Steven Spielberg and Shia LaBeouf.
Leaving Israel off the map is just poor proof-reading skills, nothing more.

Capt.Failure wrote:

ZGMF-X88S wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

ZGMF-X88S wrote:And all of that fails to mention in racism and antisemitism

We've gone on at length about the supposed "racism," but antisemitism? You do know Michael Bay is Jewish, right? It was Megan Fox calling Bay Hitler that got her booted off the film.

Leaving Israel off the map has raised accusations of antisemitism. I can certainly understand that.

Do me a favor and remind me of the scene were Isreal isn't on the map? And after that tell me how it's somehow more important in a film with several geographical errors? And after that, justify to me how it's not being oversensetive on the matter.

shamone wrote: here you go

http://izgad.blogspot.com/2009/06/trans ... f-map.html

why is it more important. read up on recent history and then wonder why its more important (im not pro or anti -zionist/state of israel btw)

then ask yourself why there are so many geographical errors

shamone wrote:And one does not have to justify why they feel sensitive about an issue to you, people have different thresholds of offence and sensitivity, the trick is to respect them

shamone wrote:- they are slapdash and careless, and dont bother with the simplest of research for a multi million movie

TFWiki's RotF page wrote:Geographic discontinuities
Note: The on-film splicing together of disparate filming locations is a common movie phenomena; however, we wouldn't be good pedants if we didn't point out a few of the more glaring disconnects.

* The Shanghai "industrial district" is... interesting, to say the least. There's a company sign that translates as "Empire Import and Export" (which would be the Chinese equivalent of a US company named "Soviet Import and Export") right next to a huge steel mill, dozens of civilians are being evacuated... and at least Demolishor thought that a giant mining excavator wouldn't be terribly out of place there.

* The aerial view of Princeton University is immediately followed by a ground shot of the dormitories at the University of Pennsylvania.

* After Lennox is alerted of the Autobot operation on the US east coast, he orders NEST to move out. By the time Optimus Prime is killed in battle with Megatron, it appears Lennox's transport planes are already over the United States, and by the end of the day, the NEST troops are at a US air base. Given the great distance between Diego Garcia and the United States, the short time it took them to arrive to the US is implausible.

* Grindor drops the car with Sam, Mikaela and Leo inside into a factory just outside a huge city. Yet when Optimus Prime and Bumblebee rescue them and flee, they almost immediately reach a huge forest that was nowhere to be seen in the aerial shot of the factory.

* In the basement of Simmons' deli, Wheelie projects dots onto a map of the United States to indicate where the Seekers are located. Simmons' deli is in New York City. One dot hovers over Syracuse, New York. Another hovers over Trenton, New Jersey. Simmons says the closest one is in Washington. There is no dot over Washington.

* When Jetfire is activated at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (actually the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, an annex of the Smithsonian) in Washington, he leaves the exhibition center and exits into the desert location of the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (aka The Boneyard), which is in Tucson, Arizona. When Jetfire breaks out of the building, we can see a composited image of the Boneyard's rows of planes, so it's arguable that in this universe the middle of Washington DC happens to be a desert full of old planes, and no buildings and... you get the point. Michael Bay actually admits this to be a deliberate choice in his audio commentary for the movie, and suggests that "most people in Taiwan" would probably never notice the error.

* The movie gives the impression that Giza in Egypt and Petra in Jordan are in close proximity to each other—within eyeshot, even. In reality, the two locations are about 416 kilometers (258 miles) apart. What makes this even more problematic is the fact that Egypt and Jordan don't share a common border—there's a country named Israel between them, whose existence isn't even mentioned in the movie...

* Furthermore, the movie gives the impression that the Pyramids of Giza are located near the coast—the soldiers and tanks deployed from hovercraft arrive at the battle site almost immediately. In reality, the closest sea shore, the tip of the Red Sea, is still over 70 miles away from the Pyramids. Worse, when the rail gun is fired, a monitor screen on board the U.S.S. Kidd shows footage of the pyramids with the ocean in the foreground, making it appear like they're no more than a mile or two away from the shore. Worse still, this is immediately followed by a shot of the pyramids that shows nothing but desert in the direction the rail gun shot is coming from.

* The Shanghai "industrial district" is... interesting, to say the least. There's a company sign that translates as "Empire Import and Export" (which would be the Chinese equivalent of a US company named "Soviet Import and Export") right next to a huge steel mill, dozens of civilians are being evacuated... and at least Demolishor thought that a giant mining excavator wouldn't be terribly out of place there.

5150 Cruiser wrote:

shamone wrote: here you go

http://izgad.blogspot.com/2009/06/trans ... f-map.html

why is it more important. read up on recent history and then wonder why its more important (im not pro or anti -zionist/state of israel btw)

then ask yourself why there are so many geographical errors

BUt thats just the thing. There were several errors in this movie. The way people are reacting (as well as in that particular blog) is that Bay and Co. were specificly targeting the muslim comunity. And i'm sorry, that was just not the case.

shamone wrote:And one does not have to justify why they feel sensitive about an issue to you, people have different thresholds of offence and sensitivity, the trick is to respect them

Your are correct. People have different thresholds of what they find offensive. Your also correct that the trick is finding the middle ground. BUt at the same time, that respect goes both ways. This goes back to our previous debate on if you look hard enough, people can find racisim in just about anything. At some point, you need to just let things go, and IMO, (again, this is just my opinion. I'm not forcing it on anyone), complaing that they asked Jordan for military help instead of Isrel in a fake movie is ridiculous, and blowing things out of proportion. Isrel wasn't put in any negative light, it just wasn't included a military scene. In this paticular case, one needs to take this movie for what it is...
I could possibly see an uproar if this was a serious movie based on current events, or even past events based on real time. But it wasn't.

It was An action flick about giant alien robots that transform into cars and trucks.

As you said, people will have different levels of whats going to offend them. But i also believe that they they need to be prepared to be called out on it as well. Other wise its just going to be an endless loop that we've never get through.

Capt.Failure wrote:Might I also point out that if Isreal had been requested for aid,some Muslim viewers would have complained because Jews were allowed free reign over Egyptian airspace. Also the Jewish viewers who complained about not asking Israel for help would have STILL complained because the Iraeli forces got shot down, which is clearly* antisemetic.

See the problem here? This has nothing to do with antisemitism, planned or accidental. This has everything to do with reading too much into things. How do you think I'd feel if I got mad every time a lisping, limp wristed sissy was used to portray gays in a movie? Pretty damn terrible, but I've learned to grow a thick skin.

*Italics are sarcastic.

shamone wrote:So you are going to the lazy and slapdash option, fair enough, i agree.

shamone wrote:But others are entitled to question why israel was left out. Hell ven independance day, and that was a big dumb US iz great movie, showed israli and arab forces, Bay could have done the same to avoid alienating more people

shamone wrote:Again you use your experience as a homosexual and your resilience in an unrelated manner, why ? Just because you dont have an issue with stereotypes doesnt mean others cant