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84forever wrote:I guess you never heard of the Air warriors or Rainmakers? The Autobots were vastly outnumbered.

As a matter of fact, I never heard of them being on Earth in the Marvel Comic or existing at all in the actual 1984 toyline, or how this relates to your argument that Sunbow Season one is the only incarnation of "real Transformers" because it debuted "first".

Or do true fans have some grasp of linear time that the rest of us aren't privy to?

Bumblevivisector wrote:

84forever wrote:I guess you never heard of the Air warriors or Rainmakers? The Autobots were vastly outnumbered.

As a matter of fact, I never heard of them being on Earth in the Marvel Comic or existing at all in the actual 1984 toyline, or how this relates to your argument that Sunbow Season one is the only incarnation of "real Transformers" because it debuted "first".

Or do true fans have some grasp of linear time that the rest of us aren't privy to?

What's more hurtful to his argument is how the Marvel Comics debuted months before the cartoon did, thus making Marvel G1 being the true beginning of the Transformers fiction.

Sabrblade wrote:

Bumblevivisector wrote:

84forever wrote:I guess you never heard of the Air warriors or Rainmakers? The Autobots were vastly outnumbered.

As a matter of fact, I never heard of them being on Earth in the Marvel Comic or existing at all in the actual 1984 toyline, or how this relates to your argument that Sunbow Season one is the only incarnation of "real Transformers" because it debuted "first".

Or do true fans have some grasp of linear time that the rest of us aren't privy to?

What's more hurtful to his argument is how the Marvel Comics debuted months before the cartoon did, thus making Marvel G1 being the true beginning of the Transformers fiction.

Um, thanks Sabr, but that actually is the point I was making, the emphasis and quotes around "first" denoting its wrongness. It's late enough that my sarcasm transcriber may have misfired.

And for that matter, the comics could even be seen as an unworthy deviation from the brilliance of Denny O'Neil's original treatment...which Jim Shooter claims was crap that he had to almost entirely rewrite before handing it off to Bob Budianski. Or could Shooter's pitch for the aborted Knickerbocker Mysterions toyline be the realest deal of all, since his blog implies it had some slight influence?

Hopefully Mr. Friedman's book will clear all of this up.

Bumblevivisector wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Bumblevivisector wrote:

84forever wrote:I guess you never heard of the Air warriors or Rainmakers? The Autobots were vastly outnumbered.

As a matter of fact, I never heard of them being on Earth in the Marvel Comic or existing at all in the actual 1984 toyline, or how this relates to your argument that Sunbow Season one is the only incarnation of "real Transformers" because it debuted "first".

Or do true fans have some grasp of linear time that the rest of us aren't privy to?

What's more hurtful to his argument is how the Marvel Comics debuted months before the cartoon did, thus making Marvel G1 being the true beginning of the Transformers fiction.

Um, thanks Sabr, but that actually is the point I was making, the emphasis and quotes around "first" denoting its wrongness. It's late enough that my sarcasm transcriber may have misfired.

Either way, we're of the same mind on this one.

Sabrblade wrote:Marvel Comics debuted months before the cartoon did, thus making Marvel G1 being the true beginning of the Transformers fiction.

Were I an uber-Geewunner, this would make me , but I love TF in most continuities. It still makes me because I do love the G1 Marvel comics the most, the series is the reason I'm a TF fan.

And I do disagree with 84forever's opinion.

You know, even the Marvel comics aren't true enough for me, the only real, good "true" Transformers is actually older than that.
As we all know before Transformers there was Diaclone and Microchange, which evolved out of Microman, which itself was developed by Takara off of the back of their import of Hasbro's GiJoe line. And as we all know Gi Joe was just a KO of Barbie's Ken in military uniform.

So excuse me, I gotta go and play with my collection of Kens, because unlike you filthy, dirty, inferior, pretender, gay peasants I am a true Transformers fan thank you very much.

Dead Metal wrote:You know, even the Marvel comics aren't true enough for me, the only real, good "true" Transformers is actually older than that.
As we all know before Transformers there was Diaclone and Microchange, which evolved out of Microman, which itself was developed by Takara off of the back of their import of Hasbro's GiJoe line. And as we all know Gi Joe was just a KO of Barbie's Ken in military uniform.

And Ken was just a male doll for Barbie, who was inspired by Germany's Bild Lilli doll, who was based off the German comic strip character in the Bild newspaper.

So the "true" beginning of the Transformers lies with the June 24, 1952 issue of Bild-Zeitung (thank you, Wikipedia).

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:You know, even the Marvel comics aren't true enough for me, the only real, good "true" Transformers is actually older than that.
As we all know before Transformers there was Diaclone and Microchange, which evolved out of Microman, which itself was developed by Takara off of the back of their import of Hasbro's GiJoe line. And as we all know Gi Joe was just a KO of Barbie's Ken in military uniform.

And Ken was just a male doll for Barbie, who was inspired by Germany's Bild Lilli doll, who was based off the German comic strip character in the Bild newspaper.

So the "true" beginning of the Transformers lies with the June 24, 1952 issue of Bild-Zeitung (thank you, Wikipedia).

Bild had a comic strip?

That is too much new information for one day ...

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:You know, even the Marvel comics aren't true enough for me, the only real, good "true" Transformers is actually older than that.
As we all know before Transformers there was Diaclone and Microchange, which evolved out of Microman, which itself was developed by Takara off of the back of their import of Hasbro's GiJoe line. And as we all know Gi Joe was just a KO of Barbie's Ken in military uniform.

And Ken was just a male doll for Barbie, who was inspired by Germany's Bild Lilli doll, who was based off the German comic strip character in the Bild newspaper.

So the "true" beginning of the Transformers lies with the June 24, 1952 issue of Bild-Zeitung (thank you, Wikipedia).

Bild had a comic strip?

That is too much new information for one day ...

Well, the article uses the word "cartoon", but since the medium was a newspaper (and the year was 1952), I figured that "newspaper cartoon character" equated out to "newspaper comic character". *shrugs*

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:You know, even the Marvel comics aren't true enough for me, the only real, good "true" Transformers is actually older than that.
As we all know before Transformers there was Diaclone and Microchange, which evolved out of Microman, which itself was developed by Takara off of the back of their import of Hasbro's GiJoe line. And as we all know Gi Joe was just a KO of Barbie's Ken in military uniform.

And Ken was just a male doll for Barbie, who was inspired by Germany's Bild Lilli doll, who was based off the German comic strip character in the Bild newspaper.

So the "true" beginning of the Transformers lies with the June 24, 1952 issue of Bild-Zeitung (thank you, Wikipedia).

Bild had a comic strip?

That is too much new information for one day ...

Well, the article uses the word "cartoon", but since the medium was a newspaper (and the year was 1952), I figured that "newspaper cartoon character" equated out to "newspaper comic character". *shrugs*

Oh no, I got what you meant, it's just the Bild doesn't have one anymore, it's more known for it's incredibly poopy coverage of insane made up crap, like "Hitler totally had UFOs" or quoting something out of context and then writing a whole speculative article about what it means, like back when Bush stated he was against splicing human genes into animals for stuff like making better baby milk, and then concluding that Bush killed a FBI program to create animal hybrid supersolders like the Minotaurs from Greek Mythology.
Oh and for the Bild page 2 girl.

So finding out that they had a comic strip at one point, one that was so influential that it started a whole new kind of doll that itself was so influential is pretty shocking to me.

So in a way, we owe our hobby to one of the shittiest news papers ever.

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:You know, even the Marvel comics aren't true enough for me, the only real, good "true" Transformers is actually older than that.
As we all know before Transformers there was Diaclone and Microchange, which evolved out of Microman, which itself was developed by Takara off of the back of their import of Hasbro's GiJoe line. And as we all know Gi Joe was just a KO of Barbie's Ken in military uniform.

And Ken was just a male doll for Barbie, who was inspired by Germany's Bild Lilli doll, who was based off the German comic strip character in the Bild newspaper.

So the "true" beginning of the Transformers lies with the June 24, 1952 issue of Bild-Zeitung (thank you, Wikipedia).

Bild had a comic strip?

That is too much new information for one day ...

Well, the article uses the word "cartoon", but since the medium was a newspaper (and the year was 1952), I figured that "newspaper cartoon character" equated out to "newspaper comic character". *shrugs*

Oh no, I got what you meant, it's just the Bild doesn't have one anymore, it's more known for it's incredibly poopy coverage of insane made up crap, like "Hitler totally had UFOs" or quoting something out of context and then writing a whole speculative article about what it means, like back when Bush stated he was against splicing human genes into animals for stuff like making better baby milk, and then concluding that Bush killed a FBI program to create animal hybrid supersolders like the Minotaurs from Greek Mythology.
Oh and for the Bild page 2 girl.

So finding out that they had a comic strip at one point, one that was so influential that it started a whole new kind of doll that itself was so influential is pretty shocking to me.

So in a way, we owe our hobby to one of the shittiest news papers ever.

It's posts like these that make me wish that the posts on this forum had "Like" buttons.

So Transformers will be 52 years old this year then. :lol":