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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby RiddlerJ » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:11 am

Well, you could just look at the box pic to see what the Junkion's head will look like.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Shadowstream » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:22 am

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Wow... I never thought it was possible for a translucent release to look that bad. Rodimus looks frigin' hideous in those colors! And a brown faceless junkion... eh, just seems to generic for an eHobby release, and even if it wasn't I probably wouldn't care. Talk about making exclusives unappealing.

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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Seibertron » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:29 am

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What is Rodimus supposed to represent?

I looks like they changed the look of Scrap Heap's head from the first teaser pics to this one that you can see in the artwork. His head looks like it has a shield on it.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby The Legend » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:33 am

Seibertron wrote:What is Rodimus supposed to represent?

G2 Blaze.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Seibertron » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:43 am

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The Legend wrote:
Seibertron wrote:What is Rodimus supposed to represent?

G2 Blaze.


Now that would be an upgrade.

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What's it really supposed to represent?
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby bvzxa » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:48 am

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Well, I pre-ordered both sets no question. I like the blue Clear Henkei Rodimus goes along with the Blue Sideburn. I like it now I can use him instead of buying Henkei Wildrider for my Shadow Scythe set.

I think the real star of the autobot set is Kup. I don't know what the United version will look like, but this sets Kup looks too awesome to pass up.

I wish the decepticons had solid colors. I think they are going with the whole reformatted transparent look when they were being reformed by Unicron.

Price, well this is E-Hobby you know. I paid through the nose for there version of Astrotrain alone and that when it was out.

So there goes a chunk of my bonus to reserve at the end of the year.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Counterpunch » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:50 am

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Seibertron wrote:
The Legend wrote:
Seibertron wrote:What is Rodimus supposed to represent?

G2 Blaze.


Now that would be an upgrade.

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What's it really supposed to represent?


Isn't the blue Rodimus just supposed to represent the moment in the film where he touches the matrix for the first time after Prime's death.

It's a figure accounting for about 2 seconds of on-screen time.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby bvzxa » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:56 am

Motto: "Power flows to the one who knows how. Desire alone is not enough!!"
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Counterpunch wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
The Legend wrote:
Seibertron wrote:What is Rodimus supposed to represent?

G2 Blaze.


Now that would be an upgrade.

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What's it really supposed to represent?


Isn't the blue Rodimus just supposed to represent the moment in the film where he touches the matrix for the first time after Prime's death.

It's a figure accounting for about 2 seconds of on-screen time.


I was just about to go to class, now I gotta watch the movie again...argghhh :lol:
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby The Legend » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:07 pm

I'm sure it's just coincidental that it shares the colour scheme of one of the only other TFs to have a spoiler as vulgar as Hot Rod's. ;)
In the scenes being refered to in the movie Hot Rod was just bathed in blue light, he didn't turn translucent or have glowy green parts.
Regardless, you can call him whatever you want. He just screams Blaze to me.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby craggy » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:20 pm

i'm mighty conflicted about this lot. The Decepticons look nice, but not nice enough for the money, tbh. Mainly because there's a Galvatron in there. You reckon that for photography on that toy they just spend a few hours before hand cutting and glueing one into vehicle mode?

The Autobots though... :shock: :grin: :x

well, the Junkion looks pretty awesome. He's so Genericised! Rodimus, while not a figure I'm a huge fan of, is wowing me with his shiny. Kup looks bloody fantastic, but he's also really bright looking and wrong somehow. I like it! G1-toy deco as opposed to the cartoon deco we've got on the single release. He looks new, and old.

Again, though, the price is kind of off-putting. I could get 6 deluxes for the price of one of these sets and still have change. Hmm...?
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby It Is Him » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:28 pm

If Dirge and Thrust are an indicator of anything, Hasbro will bring the Junkion over to the states at some point.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Counterpunch » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:33 pm

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It Is Him wrote:If Dirge and Thrust are an indicator of anything, Hasbro will bring the Junkion over to the states at some point.


Now that is a very good point.

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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Stockade » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:40 pm

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If no body buys of them, then they'll get dusty and shelf wear and we should be able to get them for around $90 a pop........snort snort then i woke up.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Kibble » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:57 pm

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Rated X wrote:And these fools are playing "top secret" with the junkion's damn head. I hate when they do that crap.

From the first post: The third member of this set is Scrap Heap, a brown and red version of the upcoming Wreck-Gar figure. He will also come with a new head, which was yet to be developed prior to the images being made.

I don't think they're trying to keep it from us, it just hadn't been developed yet. So rather than misleading anyone with Wreck Gar's head, they just edited it out so you know it'll be different.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Megatron Wolf » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:12 pm

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Is there a reason as to why only 1 autobot is clear instead of all 3 like the decepticons? I like em but im not big on importing so unless hasbro starts to do cool things like this im out of luck.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Prime Evil » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:00 pm

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Guys, you can see the Junkion head on the box. ;)
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby starboykb » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:53 pm

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Probably I might go for only :BOT:. They sure look nice under light display.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Mkall » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:54 pm

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Seibertron wrote:What is Rodimus supposed to represent?

G2 Blaze.

That's a wonderful idea
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:00 pm

Thought about it for the day and preordered it. I already have two Cyclonuses and Galvatrons, but dammit, this is my favorite scene from the entire movie. And the set looks so, sooooo tastety.

Other than Hot Rod the Autobot set holds no appeal for me, though. Which is just as well, I suppose. As for why he gets a toy for the one second he holds the Matrix, well .... Ultra Magnus did too, so it's just Hot Rod's turn.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby craggy » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:38 pm

Prime Evil wrote:Guys, you can see the Junkion head on the box. ;)


and on the earlier, somewhat blacked-out picture showing the light-piping eyes. It appears to be the visored head design.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Doctor McGrath » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:07 pm

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I like the Decepticon 3-pack. Still waiting to see what the Junkion head sculpt will look like.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Court Jester » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:17 pm

Literally spent the last 20 minutes with my mouse over the place order button at TFsource. The reformatted translucent cons were saying, "Either you sell out or we do..." I then realized this is an addiction; $130 that you don't have and here you are feeding your debt? No... plastic crack... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOOOOOOOOOOOOORE, I SAY!
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby It Is Him » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:54 pm

For all of you who are on the fence about this set, just think, just think how much cooler your collection will be now that most of us are balking at it.
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Re: Transformers United e-Hobby Autobot and Decepticon 3-Pack Colors Revealed!

Postby Flux Convoy » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:03 am

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