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I wonder how many would actually care about a crossover line? Are there enough collectors out there that are into both to make it successful? Because it doesnt seem the average fan thats only hardcore about one cares that much to see it happen. And if it were for the kids, they'd probably be more interested in the movie continuities coming together. I don't really think that would go over as big with the collectors. This idea might be 25 years too late to be a mega success.

Kibble wrote:I wonder how many would actually care about a crossover line? Are there enough collectors out there that are into both to make it successful? Because it doesnt seem the average fan thats only hardcore about one cares that much to see it happen. And if it were for the kids, they'd probably be more interested in the movie continuities coming together. I don't really think that would go over as big with the collectors. This idea might be 25 years too late to be a mega success.

I have not interest in GI Joe, but I'd still be interested in a crossover line. GI Joe has some cool vehicles, which would make some awesome Transformers.

The problem is, Hasbro will "test the market" with some half-arsed line that doesn't fit anywhere and is poorly executed, then blame that lines failure to gain traction as a reason the other idea would never work.

Fall of Cybertron-

play capture points instead of deathmatch. you get more xp and it's easier to help the team than it is in a straight up killcount based game. plus you don't have to worry about being kill #40.

the Comics-

I'm a big fan of the More than Meets the Eye series going on and the original marvel series was THE REASON i'm such a huge fan of the brand. If you ever have questions about these I'd be more than happy to come on the twincast and help out!

I'm also an avid fan of the Classics and Prime lines of toys and love to hear your opinions on those figs. good ep, i'll be looking forward to the next one.

CZ.

Counterpunch wrote:

Rated X wrote:2 hours and 20 mins ??? Maybe if I drove a truck for a living I might be able to find that much time to listen to all of it. I usally skip the parts about comics, Kreo, etc to save some time. I havent listened to one in a while. Are they still allowed to discuss 3rd party products on the podcast or is it strictly official ?

We still talk about 3rd party stuff when it's relevant.

I do the agendas so, blame me if the content sucks.

The content does not suck. 2 hours and 20 minutes to hear your friends talk about Transformers is never enough time. Although I missed hearing Bob and Jon it was another great episode.

I too thought the Vortex level of the Fall of Cybertron demo was hard. I lost count on how many times I died before I started exploiting the AI as well. I look forward some playing on Live with my fellow Seibertronians when the game comes out. I think I will jump right to the multiplayer instead of playing the campaign this time.

VERY interesting discussion the deluxe toys. I am glad I am not alone. One of my friends invited me to join a movement on Facebook called, Boycotting HASBRO's HIGH Prices on ALL their Products. I too thought it was because of the higher prices of oil and the cost of doing business. It will be very interesting to see what happens with the toy line going forward. Until then I will just buy what I want and make no extra trips like Mike.

joevill wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Rated X wrote:2 hours and 20 mins ??? Maybe if I drove a truck for a living I might be able to find that much time to listen to all of it. I usally skip the parts about comics, Kreo, etc to save some time. I havent listened to one in a while. Are they still allowed to discuss 3rd party products on the podcast or is it strictly official ?

We still talk about 3rd party stuff when it's relevant.

I do the agendas so, blame me if the content sucks.

The content does not suck. 2 hours and 20 minutes to hear your friends talk about Transformers is never enough time. Although I missed hearing Bob and Jon it was another great episode.

I too thought the Vortex level of the Fall of Cybertron demo was hard. I lost count on how many times I died before I started exploiting the AI as well. I look forward some playing on Live with my fellow Seibertronians when the game comes out. I think I will jump right to the multiplayer instead of playing the campaign this time.

VERY interesting discussion the deluxe toys. I am glad I am not alone. One of my friends invited me to join a movement on Facebook called, Boycotting HASBRO's HIGH Prices on ALL their Products. I too thought it was because of the higher prices of oil and the cost of doing business. It will be very interesting to see what happens with the toy line going forward. Until then I will just buy what I want and make no extra trips like Mike.

Just ignore Rated X.

Thanks for continuing to listen. We missed Bob and Jon too. They'll be back next episode.

I'm not sure if a lot of 'normal' fans of joe or tfs would dig an x-over line. I think if they were official transformers, and cool transforming toys, TF fans would go for it. Strictly Joe fans probably not unless there were some figs to go with a vehicle. I have collected joes of different sizes and some xover tfs until I could take the suck no longer... The smaller and larger joes (sigma six) were cool enough (along with the vehicles) to keep me interested.

I think it is worth a try as a sublime at the least. One would have to imagine the success of the sdcc exclusives would be having them take a serious look at it.

The slight format change is a good idea, & not trying to be a jerk but a little less Jon 3.0 Show would be a good thing. Also, where does one submit a listener question?

Spaceship Bruce wrote: Also, where does one submit a listener question?

Well, I believe there was a thread for them, but u could always throw one in here if you want -- for consideration.

I would also love a GI Joe/TF crossover line.

Borrowing from the ideas talked about in the podcast, I think you would need 2 lines, and I think it could still be done as sublines under both the Joe and TF banners.

For the GI Joe line:

First, as Chuck mentioned, a line of 3 3/4 joes with transforming stuff. You could get some clever small scale vehicles, like motorcycles, that transform. In fact, most of the existing deluxe TF motorcycles work pretty well with Joes.

A Snake Eyes that came with Arcee would be epic! Dual wielding swords and guns all over the place!

But, in addition to small vehicles, you could have transforming "stuff" that comes with the Joes themselves just in the standard figure line. I'm thinking backpacks that turn into weapons, that kind of thing, where the "story" would be that Joes and Cobra are using alien transforming technology in their struggle. This would work similar to what they did with the human figures in the Rescue Bots line.

But also in the 3 3/4 line you could get some of the smaller Transformers characters. I'd buy a 3 3/4 Rumble and Frenzy. Maybe have them transform into missile launchers or something, and give them handles a Joe could wield and a 5mm peg!


For the TF Side of the house:


You would have Joe and cobra vehicles, in the standard TF scales, that transform into TF characters. Prime as a Military transport truck, Megatron as a Hiss tank (with a Shockwave remold of course!) Hound as a Vamp, Skyfire/Jetfire as a Sky Striker.
I think this is simple and obvious.

TF buyers get their favorite bots and cons in new alt modes. Even if you don't care about GI Joe at all, you'll probably buy Ratchet as a military ambulance.

You probably wouldn't be able to have the "mini Joes" as was suggested in the podcast. The mini characters were dropped at some point from the SW Crossover line. I assume for choking hazard reasons.

Lord Onixprime wrote:

Kibble wrote:I wonder how many would actually care about a crossover line? ...

I have not interest in GI Joe, but I'd still be interested in a crossover line. GI Joe has some cool vehicles, which would make some awesome Transformers.

What Onyxprime said. The whole point of a crossover is to get people that are not necessarily interested in both lines to BECOME interested in them.

If you are strictly a Joe collector and you buy a Voyager scale Megatron HISS, just because it is a HISS, and realize how cool transforming toys are, you may start buying TFs. Or if you're a TF junkie and buy a Duke just to get a micron/minicon he comes with, Firefly with a transforming Trouble Bubble or a 3 3/4 inch Rumble, and you see how articulated and detailed they are, you might want more Joe Stuff.

Of course, if you want to attract new customers, these have to be done with quality, the opposite of the way the Marvel and SW crossovers are done.

I dunno...I just think the whole thing is more of a fantasy concept of those that are big fans of both as they would probably come out half-assed at best like all the other Crossovers.

The SDCC sets have been successful in their limited, exclusive availability, but would an entire line hold up at retail? I dunno, maybe. Would the TransFans hold interest in just having character colors and random related accessories, but no actual transforming toys? Or could they make a quality Human Alliance-like line where the TFs were at least good enough that the TF fans would carry it to success? I kind of think as a whole the HA line sales were probably mediocre at best and that the rest of the movie line pretty much carried enough weight to see it through. The HA figs seemed to shelfwarm a lot in stores from what I saw.

I just think collectors would kind of have to carry the line and I'm not sure if there'd be enough interested between the two to really make it successful. But I could be wrong...or maybe that's part of the reason it hasn't been done already.