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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:17 pm

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I think it's cool that you guys brought up, in the podcast, the big TakaraTomy G1 timeline that put all the non-Unicron Trilogy, non-Movieverse, non-Animated, etc. stuff into one giant timeline.

I say this because there's something I've been wanting to bring up about it on this site but kept forgetting to.

Many were baffled about such things like the inclusion of Car Robots and placing the Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo cartoons "tens of thousands of years later" after the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons. However, I recently found out some justifications for these cases.

According to Andrew Hall of TakaraTomy, he contacted the author of that timeline and found out that Car Robots was included because, prior to the Unicron Trilogy, no series released in Japan clearly identified itself as an alternate continuity. Supplementary material for Car Robots released back in 2000 referred to the Destrongers as having come from the future, explaining their :PREDACON: logos in the present day. Fire Convoy's team was also revealed to have come from the future with a toy bio declaring the Spychangers to be a new generation of TFs based on the G-2 Go-Bots, who DO exist in the future post-G1. Not to mention that Fire Convoy has an Energon Matrix in 2000, when the technology for which wouldn't be in development until 2035. The reason most didn't realize this was due to the show itself making really only one mention of it, and it was a vague mention at that. Vague enough that the Robots in Disguise English dub was able to ignore it altogether and dub it as a new continuity instead.

As for the far future placement of the two Japanese Beast Wars series, the whole idea of those shows existing in the contemporary present day of the American Beast Wars characters (the "300 years into the future" setting) came from a pack-in toy catalog that had Lio Convoy and Galvatron interacting with Optimus Primal and Megatron and, for years, fans took this catalog as gospel. But, this wasn't reflected in the shows themselves, with the timeline's placement seeming to come from the show's themselves, with only few aware of this since, well, the show's have been pretty hard to come by for the non-Japanese consumer. :-B

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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby IronhidesGhost » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:20 pm

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The summer of 1998 I returned home from my first year at Fordham University. I thought it might be nice to bring my G1 Powermaster Optimus Prime back with me... maybe some of my other fun pieces. When I asked my parents where my collection was I got a series of... "look in the basement..... no?... Look in the attic... no? ... hmmm.... I think your mom may have sold them in the yard sale... hmmmm I think your dad may have sold them in the yard sale...."

Gone. The toys I planned to give to my children one day were gone.

Later, I sat smoking not tobacco with a friend of mine when she suggested a trip to Toys R' Us to get some art supplies. I hadn't been in a TRU in a decade. On a whim I walked through the action figure section and could not believe my eyes when I saw the Transformers Beast Wars logo on a box with a lion, eagle, and elephant in it.

"Holy shit they still make Transformers!"

Magnaboss was my first purchase in an attempt to reclaim my childhood. Megatron (Transmetles) joined the ranks when I stumbled upon him the following summer. When I returned to campus my Junior year my collection was still exceptionally small, but I now knew that they were still making these toys and for the price of a pitcher of beer I could grow my ranks... and I also soon discovered that my desire to grow the ranks was directly related to how much beer I had consumed.

Then Ebay came into popularity. Beast wars from Japan! How very exciting! This calls for a pitcher of beer! So now three addictions merged Alcohol and drug consumption + ebay bidding wars + Transformers = well, me. It's the thing that defines me. My own collection is still dwarfed by many I see posted here. I probably only have 375 or so between beast wars, G1, Movieverse, Altinators, classics, Prime, and a handful of Masterpiece and 3rd party.

I would have a very hard time parting with Magnaboss.

3rd party will get my money from here on out because from a collecting standpoint it is the rarer pieces that will grow in value. Everyone and their pet rock will buy most of the mainline and a ton of those will stay MIB.... which means because they are all around.... they won't appreciate. We all know that the true addict (me) will never sell so the appreciation doesn't matter... but one has to have standards and limits. Right now, my Fansproject and TFC Toys are just the better looking, higher quality toys on my shelf. If Hasbro and Takara start taking notes perhaps I'll shift back.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Lord Onixprime » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:34 pm

Good episode. Wouldn't want many like this one, as I think it would get a bit depressing, but everyone faces the time when they've got to rethink their collecting. I hit that recently, when I realized I just don't have anywhere to expand to. I've put shelves about anywhere I can on my walls without impeding normal living habits. Trimmed down lines I didn't care about anymore. Still working on selling them, but once I forced myself to make the decisions, I realized how remarkably easy it was to part with some of these.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Kibble » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:18 pm

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I've been dealing with narrowing my collecting habits for a while now. I've narrowed it to Classics and MP that I'm still actively collecting, and I'm trying to narrow it down from there even further. Trying to phase out buying figures I don't remember as a kid, such as Stepper and Artfire. Prior to frequenting TF forums I had no idea who the hell those characters were. Problem is both those figures look hella-good...so I might make an exception if they get clearanced down enough. I also don't need odd MP repaints like Black Convoy/Nemesis Prime and Sunstorm that aren't very important to a G1 cast. Also trying to decide if I want to go as far as Red Alert, who has a decent enough role in G1, but I don't think the MP line will ever fill out that deep so I may just stick to more core characters.

I've even contemplated selling off most of my Classics and just doing MP because that would likely save me a ton of cash especially skipping over almost all the damn 3rd Party shit, but haven't been brave enough to go that far yet. Selling it all seems like a HUGE pain in the ass, too...especially coming up with all the necessary shipping supplies seems like such a nightmare, or at best, quite costly.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Seibertron » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:11 pm

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Where'd all of this love for Beast Wars come from all of a sudden? I thought I was alone in my love of Beast Wars. It's an era of Transformers I have neglected for a long time with the galleries ... maybe it's time to rethink the Beast Wars galleries with the resurgence of beast Transformers and seeing so many of you show your appreciation for Beast Wars.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:19 pm

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Seibertron wrote:Where'd all of this love for Beast Wars come from all of a sudden? I thought I was alone in my love of Beast Wars. It's an era of Transformers I have neglected for a long time with the galleries ... maybe it's time to rethink the Beast Wars galleries with the resurgence of beast Transformers and seeing so many of you show your appreciation for Beast Wars.
Oh boy, Ryan, you should check out this thread. ;)
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby joevill » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:32 pm

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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Samsonator » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:28 pm

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This was definitely an episode that hit a little close to home for me. Good job on it!

I recently had to choose what could and could not come with me when I moved from my previous home to a new city, with only one vehicle to move things, and limited space at my new residence. I still eventually plan to go get everything else from my mom's place where it's safely stored, but that decision, of what can be left out of my collection, was definitely on my mind while listening to all of you talking about where lines can be drawn, what figures mean to you as a collector, and especially Mike's story of slashing and burning through his shelves to make room for what was really important.

I left my movie stuff behind, sadly there was also no room for my Unicron Trilogy stuff, and that included leaving behind my Armada Unicron and Cybertron Primus (Those WILL be rescued one day) though I did bring my Movie 25th Anniversary Unicron, mostly because it's more G1-ish and fits better with my Classicsverse stuff, which makes up the bulk of what I did take with me. Still unfortunately have nowhere to set any of them up, but I'm only a few weeks into living here and don't even have a job yet... as soon as I do, I'll be getting shelves and seeing what can go where.

Anyway, keep up the 'casting, and feel free to keep bringing us listeners the hard questions and tough truths of collecting our favourite robots in disguise, it's always nice to hear from you guys.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Mindmaster » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:31 pm

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Seibertron wrote:Where'd all of this love for Beast Wars come from all of a sudden? I thought I was alone in my love of Beast Wars. It's an era of Transformers I have neglected for a long time with the galleries ... maybe it's time to rethink the Beast Wars galleries with the resurgence of beast Transformers and seeing so many of you show your appreciation for Beast Wars.


Are you kiddin' me?

As an aspiring United States Marine, I say this: I may have been born two days after its debut episode (figuratively), but watching the entire shebang a couple years back, LOVED THE FRIGGIN' CRAP OUTTA THAT CRAP.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:00 pm

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I really liked the discussion on collecting and setting boundaries. With me I had to basically drop all non Transformer Japanese lines and can only buy select pieces from lines like MOTU and Marvel. I think the biggest issue with collecting nowadays is the fact that a figure doubles or triples in value 6 months to a year later on the secondary market. That just kills me
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby jsmith41 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:43 pm

Ryan, Classic Movie & Comic Center is the Seven Mile and Middlebelt in Livonia comic book store, which closed around ten years ago.

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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Counterpunch » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:18 pm

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Good to see the responses here.

If anyone has questions about what was discussed or wants to give us grief, go right ahead.

I think I promised to post a link to the book: Legacy of Shadow: Master of the House
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Lord Onixprime » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:34 pm

Seibertron wrote:Where'd all of this love for Beast Wars come from all of a sudden? I thought I was alone in my love of Beast Wars. It's an era of Transformers I have neglected for a long time with the galleries ... maybe it's time to rethink the Beast Wars galleries with the resurgence of beast Transformers and seeing so many of you show your appreciation for Beast Wars.


Most Beast Wars fans I know of are into a lot of areas of Transformers despite holding BW above most.

I mean, we managed to get 2 BW characters into the Hall of Fame over the last 3 years. Says something.

The real thing going on isn't a tapering off of BW fans, it is the general lack of enthusiasm that Hasbro even gives a damn about us BW fans anymore. We go 2 new figures in the Universe/Generations line and then Hasbro decided that G1 is all they were going to pretend exists.

I'm hoping Takara surprises us with like a Masterpiece Primal or something when Beast Wars 20th Anniversary roles around, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:47 pm

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Lord Onixprime wrote:I'm hoping Takara surprises us with like a Masterpiece Primal or something when Beast Wars 20th Anniversary roles around, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
While I do agree that that would be awesome, I'm basically of the opinion that most of the Beast Wars Telemocha Series figures, as well as a few other certain figures like Henkei! Henkei! Dinobot, are already the most perfect representations of those specific BW characters that they don't need MPs of their own. After all, the Maximals and Predacons are supposed to be much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons, so their being Deluxes makes them already closer to scale with the much larger 'Bot/'Con MPs. ;)
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby CBratetron » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:18 am

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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:53 am

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Interesting idea to get rid of the the forums. I do hope you'd consider keeping the non TF threads as that's how a great deal of us communicate.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby xyl360 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:44 am

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Lord Onixprime wrote:I'm hoping Takara surprises us with like a Masterpiece Primal or something when Beast Wars 20th Anniversary roles around, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
While I do agree that that would be awesome, I'm basically of the opinion that most of the Beast Wars Telemocha Series figures, as well as a few other certain figures like Henkei! Henkei! Dinobot, are already the most perfect representations of those specific BW characters that they don't need MPs of their own. After all, the Maximals and Predacons are supposed to be much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons, so their being Deluxes makes them already closer to scale with the much larger 'Bot/'Con MPs. ;)

I'm with you on that. The TM series was an epic set of figures. That Primal is PERFECT.

What I'd like to see are not MP, but new deluxe molds for season 1 Airazor, Rhinox, Terrorsaur and Scorponok that look closer to the show. Even a new Cheetor/Tigatron mold (with a new, more 'catlike' bothead and kibble arms that fold behind the back of the bot mode like on the show) would be awesome as well. I've considered often times attempting such a mod myself by somehow adding a hinge, but I'm not too confident that I'd get it right.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Lord Onixprime » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:57 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Lord Onixprime wrote:I'm hoping Takara surprises us with like a Masterpiece Primal or something when Beast Wars 20th Anniversary roles around, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
While I do agree that that would be awesome, I'm basically of the opinion that most of the Beast Wars Telemocha Series figures, as well as a few other certain figures like Henkei! Henkei! Dinobot, are already the most perfect representations of those specific BW characters that they don't need MPs of their own. After all, the Maximals and Predacons are supposed to be much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons, so their being Deluxes makes them already closer to scale with the much larger 'Bot/'Con MPs. ;)


I'd totally settle for a 20th Anniversary Generations Beast Wars line, with a brandy new Voyager Primal and Megatron, and then preferably a Voyager Rhinox and Inferno. Deluxes of the rest, and a new Cheetor, because the Universe one, just wasn't very good. I don't care if they just stick to season 1 either, but something to acknowledge its achievements and importance to the franchise.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:57 pm

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Lord Onixprime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Lord Onixprime wrote:I'm hoping Takara surprises us with like a Masterpiece Primal or something when Beast Wars 20th Anniversary roles around, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
While I do agree that that would be awesome, I'm basically of the opinion that most of the Beast Wars Telemocha Series figures, as well as a few other certain figures like Henkei! Henkei! Dinobot, are already the most perfect representations of those specific BW characters that they don't need MPs of their own. After all, the Maximals and Predacons are supposed to be much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons, so their being Deluxes makes them already closer to scale with the much larger 'Bot/'Con MPs. ;)


I'd totally settle for a 20th Anniversary Generations Beast Wars line, with a brandy new Voyager Primal and Megatron, and then preferably a Voyager Rhinox and Inferno. Deluxes of the rest, and a new Cheetor, because the Universe one, just wasn't very good. I don't care if they just stick to season 1 either, but something to acknowledge its achievements and importance to the franchise.
Voyager Dinobot too since he was the tallest season 1 Maximal.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Mindmaster » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:58 pm

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Lord Onixprime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Lord Onixprime wrote:I'm hoping Takara surprises us with like a Masterpiece Primal or something when Beast Wars 20th Anniversary roles around, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
While I do agree that that would be awesome, I'm basically of the opinion that most of the Beast Wars Telemocha Series figures, as well as a few other certain figures like Henkei! Henkei! Dinobot, are already the most perfect representations of those specific BW characters that they don't need MPs of their own. After all, the Maximals and Predacons are supposed to be much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons, so their being Deluxes makes them already closer to scale with the much larger 'Bot/'Con MPs. ;)


I'd totally settle for a 20th Anniversary Generations Beast Wars line, with a brandy new Voyager Primal and Megatron, and then preferably a Voyager Rhinox and Inferno. Deluxes of the rest, and a new Cheetor, because the Universe one, just wasn't very good. I don't care if they just stick to season 1 either, but something to acknowledge its achievements and importance to the franchise.
Voyager Dinobot too since he was the tallest season 1 Maximal.


Mind officially blown. :BOOM:
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:22 pm

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Hmm, looking at this chart, looks like some characters are more differently size than we thought. Primal's shorter than Megs, Scorponok's tiny... er, I don't think I like that. :-s
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby xyl360 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:18 pm

Their sizes/scale frequently varied (even within a single set of scenes within a single episode), particularly during season 1. It frequently had more to do with dramatic effect than anything else.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Lord Onixprime » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:16 am

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Hmm, looking at this chart, looks like some characters are more differently size than we thought. Primal's shorter than Megs, Scorponok's tiny... er, I don't think I like that. :-s


That's not a very good size chart, as it was done well before they even redesigned the characters to not completely emulate their toys. Terrorsaur is evidence to that, as he was always around the same height as Waspinator and Scorponok, and definitely never taller than Primal.
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:07 pm

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Well, either way, we do at least know the heights of the original season 1 Maximals, from tallest to shortest, were Dinobot, Rhinox, Optimus Primal, Cheetor, and Rattrap.

Not sure exactly about Tigatron and/or Airazor. Tigatron was at least taller than Cheetor, and Airazor was at least shorter than both him and Optimus (but taller than Rattrap, IIRC).
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Re: Twincast / Podcast Episode #60 "Boundaries"

Postby Kibble » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:49 pm

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I'd welcome a Beast Wars line about now...as crappy as the new guys are at TF design at this point, go ahead and let them practice on Beast Wars crap for a while.
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