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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode 68 "ReChrome"

Postby Hypershock » Sun May 26, 2013 2:53 pm

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I myself don't think that the relationship was a left-field matter. Cliffjumper in prime had appeared for five minutes, give or take; Chromedome and Rewind had been major characters in this monthly comic for over a year. I just got the first two MTMTE trade paperbacks, and there are hints of their relationship since issue one, and in almost every issue since. Granted, it wasn't like someone walking up and saying "Hey Chromedome, how are you and your boyfriend Rewind?" but it IS stated that they are almost constant companions. Then i believe in issue twelve or thirteen, Chromedome is outright stated as some latin-based cybertronian term for partner or significant other.

Also, i don't think this is meant to address homosexual relationships, but just relationships in general. I do agree that the better gender approach is "There are boy transformers and girl transformers, and that's all that will be said" Because you can have both types of relationships. But i also think that this approach is being done well; i see it as these beings are very ancient, and if they did have gender way back when, it has become outmoded by the present day. Since they do not need to sexually reproduce, there is technically no need for gender. This approach is inherently hard to convey, because most languages naturally have a concept for male and female, and i would imagine the IDW version of Cybertronian does not. Chromedome and Rewind are just two beings who love each other, there is no need for them to be male or female. I don't think this approach diminishes the LGBT community either, because since IDW Cybertronians mostly lack gender, then by nature there can be no LGBT in that species. I don't mean this to sound insensitive at all. Just as a barebones to be a transsexual you have to change sexes, and you can't do that if you don't have a sex. Im not trying to say that the LGBT community thing is stupid, it's just a moot point in a sexless society, so the comics can't help but not address it because they weren't writing a homosexual relationship, they were just writing a relationship.

Also, i think gender portrayal depends on the incarnation of the franchise. Several incarnations have had clearly defined genders, like the Beast ones, G1, animated, etc. However, IDW's Arcee is the first Cybertronian in that continuity to be distinctly female; other characters have many traits that can belong to either males or females.

I apologize if my wording offends, i did not mean it to. I am okay with either portrayal, but in this situation, i prefer that one approach, but i will certainly not mind if it is stated to be the other.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode 68 "ReChrome"

Postby Flux Convoy » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:12 pm

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ScottyP wrote:Some of you just want to make it about "the gays". Just stop. Progress left your idea behind years ago.

:APPLAUSE: This summed up my feelings pretty well. I enjoyed the body of your post as well. This specifically needed pointing out though. ;)
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode 68 "ReChrome"

Postby xyl360 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:23 pm

I've always wondered about TF relationships like many of you (and clearly these writers have as well). I found it fascinating in Beast Wars for example when Airazor and Tigatron merged their sparks to inhabit one body (Tigerhawk), taking on both female and male personality traits (although the voice was obviously just the same male voice Tigatron had previously, the mannerisms give away that the feminine aspects of the personality (i.e. Airazor) were still present.

In a race that does not procreate by sexual means (as far as we know in any fiction I'm aware of at least), I think this concept of two romantic partners 'merging' is very interesting and puts a whole emotional and spiritual spin on the whole matter, going into a very intimate place without getting sexual (since again, sex isn't an aspect of who the Transformers have been up to this point, at least not that we're aware of for the sake of procreation, though they have eluded to sexual attraction and even had crude comments about it such as 'serving bots minus their torso plates').

I think if IDW took it in a similar direction with Rewind and Chromedome, merging them somehow into a single being, that would be an interesting progression and adaptation of the mythos and concept of romantic love in the TF universe because it would be a way for them to act on their feelings and define very clearly a boundary where a relationship is defined as either 'just friends' or 'more than friends' (e.g. 'lovers' in human terms).

Either way, I find it very interesting that they chose to go in this direction and strike what some would view as a very controversial chord, but it's not the first time comics have tried to take a more serious tone and attempt to tackle (or at least touch on) sensitive subject matter that's relevant to human society in the real world of the reader, and I'm sure it won't be the last. That's part of what art is all about, human expression and analysis and expression of/a reflection of the human condition.

Bear in mind that all of the above comes from an individual who hasn't read the comics, so all I have to go on is what's been said in this thread and in the podcast itself, but either way, I find the whole thing to be interesting if they choose to do more with not only the (possible) concept of romantic relationships in the TF universe, but also defining ways for the bots to express it (and no, I'm not asking for some perverse physical acts etc. like some of the bizarre fanfiction out there, just something more than 'I love you', e.g. the whole '2 sparks merging' concept I referred to above).
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode 68 "ReChrome"

Postby Counterpunch » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:51 am

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Since we're about to record again, figures I'd drop in and thank everyone for the discussion and not crucifying us for bringing it up to begin with.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode 68 "ReChrome"

Postby xyl360 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:30 am

Counterpunch wrote:Since we're about to record again, figures I'd drop in and thank everyone for the discussion and not crucifying us for bringing it up to begin with.

No, there will be no crucifixions for you guys today. The members of Funpub are currently occupying all of our crosses :P.
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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode 68 "ReChrome"

Postby joevill » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:15 pm

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Re: Twincast/Podcast Episode 68 "ReChrome"

Postby MGrotusque » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:09 pm

The relationship between the two can be interpreted as a deep spiritual kinship. An intense friendship or a brotherly bond.
That love stuff takes many forms and meanings. Know what i mean.
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