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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:30 pm

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budmaloney wrote:If I recall correctly, wasn't Sentinel termed the Einstein of their race. Maybe my wording wasn't clear. I meant to say , there was no need for a conflict. Sentinel is the leader right, and if he chose to work with the Decepticons, the Autobots should follow. If they disagree with him, they shouldn't duke it out.
Killing Ironhide is not a big deal, if he was they would have given him a funeral or something. I mean he's the Einstein of their race, he must know something they don't know right? Shouldn't the Autobots have paused and thought about it.


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Correction; Sentinel Prime was their leader. Optimus attempted to give Sentinel Prime back his command as well as the Matrix of Leadership, but Sentinel diened both. There fore, Optimus was still in command.

deathy wrote: Going back on topic:

I wouldn't take anything Tyrese Gibson has to say regarding TF4 serious. because he has no inside info..


And you know this how? He worked with Micheal for the last 5 years on TF. So i wouldn't just dis-credit what he has to say without some kind of evidence.

deathy wrote: Shia aint comming back because he probably won't be asked to come back. the only reason shia stayed so long was because micheal liked him..


Again, what evidence do you have of this? Based on interviews with the casst and crew, he people seemed to like him. Based on your previous posts and even a thread you started, you seem to have this un explained hate for Shia. Why?

deathy wrote: usually toy companies or movie companies don't like to go past a certain number of movies in a certain themed story universe. because the more movies you make,the curse of more is their. examples those rocky movies,superman movies,star trek ,rambo,police academy & so forth.


Can you elaborate on the highlighted portion please? I don't understand what you mean by that at all.
Also, your aurgument doesn't really hold up. There's no set rule or formul to how many sequels you can do before things get stale. Also the examples you gave have sequels ranging from 2, to 10 movies based in the same universe. All of whitch were sucsessfull.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Dagon » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:22 am

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Autobot032 wrote:So...because Sentinel has "superior" intelligence, he's better than the rest?


Well, by definition of "superior," yes, Sentinel was better than the rest. I know, I know, you've often got on me for saying things like that, like I'm nitpicking or acting "Superior" myself, but by the very definition, it's true, and that's not me making some biased statement.

"Superior" thinking has led to some of the worst atrocities imaginable. The "simple" thinkers tend to have more of a heart. Those simple thinkers are the people saving the day.


There is some truth to this, but it's not always so, and in fact "simple" thinkers are also behind a number of atrocities, and that they "tend" to have more "heart," whatever that means, is a generalization. If that's meant to mean that they generally think more about the greater good, that's malarky. Complex thinking may have lead to atomic weapons, but any "simple" thinker can sharpen something to a point and stab someone. Stupid? Yeah. Overly simplistic? Yeah. Correct? Yeah.
I think what you're working at is the idea that "simple" thinkers are somehow incapable of or far less likely to engage in actions detrimental to the unity of life or a societal group or something, and that's flawed logic, really. Every and any person, regardless of whatever word we want to use to label their degree of thinking or intelligence or whatever, is capable of committing some atrocious action.
Besides, that's sort of witch-hunting, isn't it? What you typed says in essence that smarter people or greater intellects are responsible for atrocities, as if we should be afraid of intelligence, like that's some bad thing. I assume what you mean is that the illusion of superiority is the real bad thing, that thought that makes people say "We're better than (superior to) that group and therefore should be in control of things." That, I absolutely agree with you on. That is responsible for atrocities, whether we want to talk about genocide or invasion or denying marriage rights. That's wildly bad thinking.

Sentinel thought he was a God. He wasn't. He was ended with a shotgun blast to the back of the head. Where was his superior intelligence then? Oh right, laying on a bridge near Wacker Drive.


May I add that, admittedly going off the tech specs of a toy, Optimus Prime also has a "10" in Intelligence, as well as Strength and Firepower. Where did that get him in the forest in ROTF? Oh right, dead.
Yet, we as a collective continue to laud Optimus as the best there is.

You know why he met with Megatron in secret? You know why he took the Spacebridge and hid his plan? Because he knew the Autobots wouldn't allow him to finish this. The Primes destroyed themselves to stop The Fallen, because they made a pact not to destroy worlds filled with life. Sentinel was going to do just that and Optimus would've never stood for it. Never.


Absolutely. I find Optimus to be a pansy in pretty much every TF continuity, and I can do nothing but say that had he known what Sentinel was up to ahead of time Optimus would have killed him or at least like, reported him to a higher authority. Optimus never would have followed Sentinel in this, even with all of his genuflecting and admiration.

Optimus thinks more with his heart and look at how many lives he saved. Sentinel thought with his mind and mind only with no emotion but anger and hatred and look at how many lives he took and how many more would've been lost.


And he also doomed his own planet/race. Yes, he saved Earth, and saved more lives than he took. But essentially he made a trade, and it was the opposite of the trade Sentinel was working to make. If anything, realistically, Optimus and Sentinel made the same devil's deal here, it's just that since Optimus saved our planet we call him the better end of it.
Stripped of the names, one character allowed an inhabited planet to die rather than sacrifice another inhabited planet, while the other character allowed an inhabited planet to die rather than sacrifice another inhabited planet. It comes down to which planet you're cheering for.

Ironhide was important, we never got to see his funeral because the film moved so fast. He was killed and the betrayal was well on it's way long before the Autobots even knew what to do or how to counter it. You fight the fight now, mourn later. Save lives now, put lost ones to rest later.


I agree with you tactically, but story-wise, I thought it sucked that they never even reference Ironhide's death. But at least it was consistent with the rest of the movies' treatment of characters though, and regardless of how that's interpreted, I mean it in a good way. Had they all of a sudden started caring about someone's death, it would have been out of whatever character the movies had fostered. And obviously the Autobots were about to have much bigger things to deal with, so thinking they could just stop and cry over anything is a little off.

Sentinel was wrong. Always was, always has been. Anyone with a conscience should know this. Anyone who agrees with his thinking genuinely scares me.


You can agree with something or someone without thinking that they have a good or correct course of action. I am wildly anti-religious, and yet without any hesitation or doubt I can say that I agree with numerous ideas and principles promoted by the world's various religions.

Why is it right to destroy one planet full of life to save another? Especially one that doesn't deserve it? The Cybertronians tore Cybertron apart. They're lucky to be alive, period. What right do they have to have a planet of their own to begin with? Let alone take ours and our people? None.


As human beings in a real world sense, we're not exactly in a position to criticize others for ruining their world, and the idea that we have the vantage point to decide someone else doesn't 'deserve' something is really awful. We have engaged in countless wars since the dawn of our civilization, have polluted and damaged our very planet, routinely discriminate against our own kind, have a species-wide history of putting our particular subsection above other members of the same species, and have driven other living things to extinction. From a moral perspective, what right do we have to pass judgment on any other set of beings?
To his credit, as hard as it may be to accept for some reason, Sentinel does bad things but from a good intention. He's trying to do something that will save his planet and race. That by itself is in no way a bad thing. It's his methods that were deplorable. Optimus at least recognizes that the Cybertronians maybe aren't worthy of survival, but that doesn't change that he does save Earth by dooming Cybertron.
Again, to strip out the names and just leave the deeds to be evaluated, one character does something bad but was motivated by a desire to do good, while the other character does something bad motivated by the desire to do good. It's a pick, really, and Optimus looks like the better guy because our planet was the winner.

Being Einstein doesn't matter much if you can't use that knowledge for good. Even Einstein had regrets, his works didn't always bring good into the world. Sentinel was capable of worse, so much worse. Difference is, Sentinel had no conscience.

What good is knowledge without wisdom?


Good is relative. Again, Optimus did 'good' because our planet won. Sentinel did have a conscience, he was acting to save his planet and people. Had Sentinel won, the Cybertronians would have thought that the right planet was saved.
If abortion is outlawed, some people feel the right decision was reached and it upholds a moral standard that maybe isn't shared by every single person, but that moral victory comes at the reduction of the individual freedoms of other people who may not find it a 'moral' issue. So, restricting others makes the other side morally better?

Likewise, wisdom is relative. It's something that's valued, but isn't exactly necessary. Don't get me wrong, I am all for wisdom, and I personally find it something to be valued. But, if my brain surgeon is more possessed of knowledge than wisdom, I'm fine with that, as his knowledge will lead to my brain transplant being successful, not his wisdom.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Dagon » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:27 am

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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby ReDPATH » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:12 pm

Well to answer some of the obvious things regarding this 'news'.

1.Gibson is only saying this because he wants to generate hype and because he believes it will happen. Sure he has his gut and he did work with Bay for the better part of the last decade.

2. Its ultimately Paramount's decision on whether or not to continue to fork money over to Bay/Shia at the expense of potentially increased salaries or with a new crew that may come at a cheaper price but still maintain or go above DOTM revenue. The only difference being they will probably go with someone or a crew with a proven commodity.

3. Do they want to deal with the media circus surrounding the Bay/Spielberg/Fox feud that will inevitably pop up again in some form only in some new, strange angle involving Shia or some sex scandal.

4. That's all I got.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby PrymeStriker » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:35 pm

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Dagon wrote:May I add that, admittedly going off the tech specs of a toy, Optimus Prime also has a "10" in Intelligence, as well as Strength and Firepower. Where did that get him in the forest in ROTF? Oh right, dead.
Yet, we as a collective continue to laud Optimus as the best there is.


Erm, the toys and films are considered to have their own continuity by some fans, whether you take it this way or not is your decision...

or at least like, reported him to a higher authority.


Uhm...what, the humans or something? I don't think there are any other Autobots higher than himself that he could've reported him to, without searching galaxies...

I thought it sucked that they never even reference Ironhide's death


He was killed, and the other autobots were all like: "Oh well, let's get back to the story, and let's leave this rust here for the maggots to eat. *spits on Ironhide's rust*"

:-(





Back on topic...I'd love to see a TF4, as long as they gimmie Unicron and Omega Supreme >_<
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Dagon » Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:12 pm

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Gyrotron wrote:
Dagon wrote:May I add that, admittedly going off the tech specs of a toy, Optimus Prime also has a "10" in Intelligence, as well as Strength and Firepower. Where did that get him in the forest in ROTF? Oh right, dead.
Yet, we as a collective continue to laud Optimus as the best there is.


Erm, the toys and films are considered to have their own continuity by some fans, whether you take it this way or not is your decision...


I know that. That's why I said that I was getting Optimus' "10" stat from the tech spec for his toy.

or at least like, reported him to a higher authority.


Uhm...what, the humans or something? I don't think there are any other Autobots higher than himself that he could've reported him to, without searching galaxies...


Well, obviously not the humans, since Sentinel's plan began to form before the Autobots had made the humans' aquaintance. But, the Prime is not the end-all-be-all of Autobot leadership....in the prequal comic for the 07 movie, wasn't it stated that Megatron and Optimus were part of a collalition or governing team on Cybertron before the war erupted? I seem to recall that, although I could be mistaken. IF such a body existed during Optimus and Megatrons' time, it isn't crazy to think that it existed when Sentinel was in charge and on planet. So, it probably shouldn't be difficult to imagine that that would have been the 'higher authority' I was mentioning, as it was what I had thought of while posting.
If all of that is somehow stupid, then the Prime is a totalitarian leader? And so then, how does that make the Autobot leadership structure different from the Decepticons, who are essentially a dictatorship?

I thought it sucked that they never even reference Ironhide's death


He was killed, and the other autobots were all like: "Oh well, let's get back to the story, and let's leave this rust here for the maggots to eat. *spits on Ironhide's rust*"

:-(


Like I said, they don't reference Ironhide's death. At least Jazz had his name spoken by Prime following his death. Ironhide didn't even get that much.
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

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Dagon wrote:Well, obviously not the humans, since Sentinel's plan began to form before the Autobots had made the humans' aquaintance. But, the Prime is not the end-all-be-all of Autobot leadership....in the prequal comic for the 07 movie, wasn't it stated that Megatron and Optimus were part of a collalition or governing team on Cybertron before the war erupted? I seem to recall that, although I could be mistaken. IF such a body existed during Optimus and Megatrons' time, it isn't crazy to think that it existed when Sentinel was in charge and on planet. So, it probably shouldn't be difficult to imagine that that would have been the 'higher authority' I was mentioning, as it was what I had thought of while posting.
If all of that is somehow stupid, then the Prime is a totalitarian leader? And so then, how does that make the Autobot leadership structure different from the Decepticons, who are essentially a dictatorship?


The problem is, there is possibly no other higher authority on Earth that could take Sentinel, therefore highlighting the statement: "Without searching the galaxies"
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Re: Tyrese Gibson predicts the return of M. Bay and Shia LaBeouf for TF4

Postby Dagon » Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:46 pm

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Dagon wrote:Well, obviously not the humans, since Sentinel's plan began to form before the Autobots had made the humans' aquaintance. But, the Prime is not the end-all-be-all of Autobot leadership....in the prequal comic for the 07 movie, wasn't it stated that Megatron and Optimus were part of a collalition or governing team on Cybertron before the war erupted? I seem to recall that, although I could be mistaken. IF such a body existed during Optimus and Megatrons' time, it isn't crazy to think that it existed when Sentinel was in charge and on planet. So, it probably shouldn't be difficult to imagine that that would have been the 'higher authority' I was mentioning, as it was what I had thought of while posting.
If all of that is somehow stupid, then the Prime is a totalitarian leader? And so then, how does that make the Autobot leadership structure different from the Decepticons, who are essentially a dictatorship?


The problem is, there is possibly no other higher authority on Earth that could take Sentinel, therefore highlighting the statement: "Without searching the galaxies"



Ok then, but I just mentioned the possiblity of there being a higher authority than Sentinel. I never said anything about this having to be done on earth. Sentinel's plan originated before he came to earth right? Considering they found his body on the moon, and not on earth. What I was saying was if Sentinel had this plan before leaving Cybertron, had Optimus known about it still on Cybertron, Optimus could have possibly turned to a higher authority, once more, on Cybertron. I meant before Sentinels' revival on earth, or the moon, or whichever. I never said anything about this having to take place on earth.
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