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United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby El Duque » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:44 am

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Our fellow Transformers fans over on The Allspark have posted the translation of the United EX story featured on the back of the Tankmaster vs Marinemaster packaging. Check out the translation mirrored below.

It was an ambush that reversed the flow of battle. The cruel assassin Tankmaster, who had revealed himself from deep within the scrap, pressed his gun to Grimmaster’s head in lieu of an introduction.
“Death to the traitor…"
These were the only words he would utter to his targets, punctuated by a single gunshot. After solemnly speaking this phrase, he began to pull the trigger… when as if by magic, the pistol flew from his hand.

The shot had come from the glistening ocean waters. A speedboat tore through the water towards the landfill, soaring through the air and transforming as it neared land.
“An Autobot?!"
Before him was Marinemaster, who had been patrolling the ocean waters.
“Don’t get too full of yourself, kid. Want to see what I’ve up got up my sleeve?"
Tankmaster’s Targetmaster partner attached to his arm in the shape of a giant claw, ready to intercept any fire. But Marinemaster, like a hovercraft skimming across the waves, displayed the same nimble footwork on land as he fired a perfectly-aimed shot from his own Targetmaster.
“What’s wrong? If you blink, you’ll miss me!"

“I’d rather not take your life, so maybe you could give me something in return? That’s assuming you don’t want to go down with the ship alongside your captain, of course."
Marinemaster addressed his incapacitated foe.
“You’re no executioner, boy."
“Maybe not, but at a time like this, I’ll do what I have to."
Marinemaster’s young face wore a conflicted expression, but Tankmaster noticed a resolve in his optics that matched his words. Perhaps this was why the captive seemed oddly quick to comply.
“My life belongs to Megatron alone. I owe nothing to the so-called “High Regent” leading our forces on Earth…"
And so, the Autobots would learn of a grand scheme in play…

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Tankmaster
Function: Assassin
Targetmaster: Wheezel

Strength 8

Intelligence
7

Speed 6

Endurance 9

Rank 8

Courage 5

Fireblast 10

Skill 8

Total 61

A hardened killer who moves behind the scenes to eliminate enemies of Megatron. Like Rollermaster, he joined Master Chaos to investigate the motives of the High Regent.

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Marinemaster
Function: Ocean Defense
Targetmaster: Rotorbolt

Strength 7

Intelligence
8

Speed 10

Endurance 7

Rank 6

Courage 7

Fireblast 8

Skill 7

Total 60

Although he only recently came online, Marinemaster has unfaltering confidence in his skill at aquatic battles. His vehicle mode speed exceeds 180 knots. Occasionally overestimates his own abilities.
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:26 am

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Well, Sabrblade was right, Marinemaster is G2 Manta Ray. Someone give him a cookie. And Tankmaster is IDW Grindcore? WOW, so out of left field.
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby RhA » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:44 pm

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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:45 pm

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Grindcore? :shock: I never would have guess him.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Well, Sabrblade was right, Marinemaster is G2 Manta Ray. Someone give him a cookie.
Funny thing is, as I was reading this, I kept thinking, "Okay, Marinemaster's probably Boater (since he's addressed as a kid) like others have said. Guess they were right." But then, BAM! Hydra's notes say Manta Ray. I didn't even catch the motto of his. :oops:
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:52 pm

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Now all that's left is Buildmaster and Assaultmaster. Well, technically only Buildmaster as we know Assaultmaster is actually Clouder controlling an Eldedroid. I still say it's Devastator, but I'm willing to accept Gravedigger or even Bonecrasher or Scrapper. :lol:
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Va'al » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:56 pm

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RhA wrote:Scr*w the backstory, I just want these pretty toys.


As I already have the less pretty but still fun Hasbro versions, I am wholeheartedly enjoying the stories!

Yay stories! :DANCE:

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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:57 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Now all that's left is Buildmaster and Assaultmaster. Well, technically only Buildmaster as we know Assaultmaster is actually Clouder controlling an Eldedroid. I still say it's Devastator, but I'm willing to accept Gravedigger or even Bonecrasher or Scrapper. :lol:
Well, Devastator did die in the underground lava flow in Zone episode 1. ;)
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:14 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Now all that's left is Buildmaster and Assaultmaster. Well, technically only Buildmaster as we know Assaultmaster is actually Clouder controlling an Eldedroid. I still say it's Devastator, but I'm willing to accept Gravedigger or even Bonecrasher or Scrapper. :lol:
Well, Devastator did die in the underground lava flow in Zone episode 1. ;)


True, but resurrection is no hard feat. Didn't Bruticus die in the Zone story as well, or did the Ambiguity Phenomenon save him :P Hey, what was the name of the 8th Contructicon again?
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:32 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:True, but resurrection is no hard feat.
Yeah, but for him to come back so soon feels kinda lax on his death in Zone having any lasting impact.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Didn't Bruticus die in the Zone story as well, or did the Ambiguity Phenomenon save him :P
The latter.

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"Eighth Constructicon". ;)
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby RhA » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:17 pm

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Va'al wrote:
RhA wrote:Scr*w the backstory, I just want these pretty toys.


As I already have the less pretty but still fun Hasbro versions, I am wholeheartedly enjoying the stories!

Yay stories! :DANCE:

EDIT: I just saw how Airmaster actually works with the dinodrones. Dayum.
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I only own Heavythread, but even the recolor is pretty. This set is a WANT.
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Va'al » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:52 pm

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RhA wrote:I only own Heavythread, but even the recolor is pretty. This set is a WANT.


I was considering repainting HT's eyes red in torso mode, before Takara came up with the EX line. [-(

(But I need to find some good way of doing it.)

My wallet allowed me just enough to scrape the last Decepticon Commanders together (although I have no love for Steamhammer - owned him once and gave him away), I will not venture into Takaraland. And I've said it before, not a massive fan of Marinemaster's colours.
I love Tankmaster though...
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:08 pm

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Also, does this mean that Rollermaster is really IDW Straxus instead of either of the Marvel Straxuses?
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby RhA » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:32 pm

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Va'al wrote:
RhA wrote:I only own Heavythread, but even the recolor is pretty. This set is a WANT.


I was considering repainting HT's eyes red in torso mode, before Takara came up with the EX line. [-(

(But I need to find some good way of doing it.)

My wallet allowed me just enough to scrape the last Decepticon Commanders together (although I have no love for Steamhammer - owned him once and gave him away), I will not venture into Takaraland. And I've said it before, not a massive fan of Marinemaster's colours.
I love Tankmaster though...


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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

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I am so glad they are mentioning Megatron in the storyline. This gives more credence to my custom, and he looks just as good with the dino drones

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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:43 pm

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DISCHARGE wrote:I am so glad they are mentioning Megatron in the storyline.
Even though Megs is dead (or presumed dead) by this point, what with Scrash leading the Cons and all. ;)
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:40 am

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DISCHARGE wrote:I am so glad they are mentioning Megatron in the storyline.
Even though Megs is dead (or presumed dead) by this point, what with Scrash leading the Cons and all. ;)


Tankmaster wrote:“My life belongs to Megatron alone. I owe nothing to the so-called “High Regent” leading our forces on Earth…"


Shows where his ultimate loyalties lay. And Megatron was pretty much out of commission after Return of Convoy, but would return for G-2.
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:07 pm

And Hydra throws another curveball, when you think it will be a slider. :lol:

Seriously, I wish he would have just created an entirely new Generation 1 universe that mixes elements from Generation 1 elements done by Takara, Hasbro, and Marvel. The events would make a whole lot more sense, allow the figures from UNITED to have some kind of history (as I feel that "UNITED" Rodimus Prime is more based on the Marvel version, than the animated version). And other things people do not care to hear me rant on about. >:oP

But yeah... I wonder which member of Devastator will return. Because chances are, Hydra may choose to ignore the events in the OVA (on account that the "Hydraverse" has parts of the Victory manga merge with the anime series). But whatever the case may be, that is what I am dubbing it before people start calling it that. :lol:
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:27 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And Hydra throws another curveball, when you think it will be a slider. :lol:

Seriously, I wish he would have just created an entirely new Generation 1 universe that mixes elements from Generation 1 elements done by Takara, Hasbro, and Marvel. The events would make a whole lot more sense, allow the figures from UNITED to have some kind of history (as I feel that "UNITED" Rodimus Prime is more based on the Marvel version, than the animated version). And other things people do not care to hear me rant on about. >:oP

But yeah... I wonder which member of Devastator will return. Because chances are, Hydra may choose to ignore the events in the OVA (on account that the "Hydraverse" has parts of the Victory manga merge with the anime series). But whatever the case may be, that is what I am dubbing it before people start calling it that. :lol:
Yeah. I've been conversing with Hydra on the nature of these stories he's written and which characters have dimension-hopped and which haven't. Straxus is apparently his Marvel self, while Grindcore is not his IDW self but a JG1 cartoon continuity version of him who is only just now making himself known.

And, regarding the two United mini-manga that were in the Million Publishing Generations books, according to Hydra, those two are a micro-continuity completely unrelated to these EX stories or the cartoon continuity itself, which does match up with what artist Guido Guidi (who worked on the second one) said about it.

Hydra also just told me that it's on-package toy bios that are considered to be the "primary fiction" (as he put it) of the United toyline. I'm currently waiting for him to respond to my latest inquisition on the bios since there haven't been many of them translated into English.
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby KNM2012 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:58 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And Hydra throws another curveball, when you think it will be a slider. :lol:

Seriously, I wish he would have just created an entirely new Generation 1 universe that mixes elements from Generation 1 elements done by Takara, Hasbro, and Marvel. The events would make a whole lot more sense, allow the figures from UNITED to have some kind of history (as I feel that "UNITED" Rodimus Prime is more based on the Marvel version, than the animated version). And other things people do not care to hear me rant on about. >:oP

But yeah... I wonder which member of Devastator will return. Because chances are, Hydra may choose to ignore the events in the OVA (on account that the "Hydraverse" has parts of the Victory manga merge with the anime series). But whatever the case may be, that is what I am dubbing it before people start calling it that. :lol:
Yeah. I've been conversing with Hydra on the nature of these stories he's written and which characters have dimension-hopped and which haven't. Straxus is apparently his Marvel self, while Grindcore is not his IDW self but a JG1 cartoon continuity version of him who is only just now making himself known.

And, regarding the two United mini-manga that were in the Million Publishing Generations books, according to Hydra, those two are a micro-continuity completely unrelated to these EX stories or the cartoon continuity itself, which does match up with what artist Guido Guidi (who worked on the second one) said about it.

Hydra also just told me that it's on-package toy bios that are considered to be the "primary fiction" (as he put it) of the United toyline. I'm currently waiting for him to respond to my latest inquisition on the bios since there haven't been many of them translated into English.


I agree. Both were based on different eras within the UNITED timline. So the way I see it... It goes as: Manga #1 -> The Transformers -> The Rebirth -> UNITED/2010 -> elements from both Hasbro's Generation 2 and Marvel's Generaion One -> Victory -> UNITED EX -> Operation: Combination. Victory and Operation: Combination are self-contained (the last time I checked). This allows time gaps to be added, and also - if he dares - to say that the dimension hopping is an aftereffect of that continuity's Underbase Saga. (Oh, and totally eliminates Kiss Players in the process.) ;)
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:12 pm

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I agree. Both were based on different eras within the UNITED timline. So the way I see it... It goes as: Manga #1 -> The Transformers -> The Rebirth -> UNITED/2010 -> elements from both Hasbro's Generation 2 and Marvel's Generaion One -> Victory -> UNITED EX -> Operation: Combination. Victory and Operation: Combination are self-contained (the last time I checked). This allows time gaps to be added, and also - if he dares - to say that the dimension hopping is an aftereffect of that continuity's Underbase Saga. (Oh, and totally eliminates Kiss Players in the process.) ;)
I don't quite think you get what I was saying. I meant that he said both of the Million Publishing mangas weren't part of the cartoon timeline.

The first one certainly doesn't fit since they all had their WFC bodies, while the cartoon itself shows the creation of Megatron and Convoy in their original G1 bodies that they would keep after their arrival on Earth.
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:02 am

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I agree. Both were based on different eras within the UNITED timline. So the way I see it... It goes as: Manga #1 -> The Transformers -> The Rebirth -> UNITED/2010 -> elements from both Hasbro's Generation 2 and Marvel's Generaion One -> Victory -> UNITED EX -> Operation: Combination. Victory and Operation: Combination are self-contained (the last time I checked). This allows time gaps to be added, and also - if he dares - to say that the dimension hopping is an aftereffect of that continuity's Underbase Saga. (Oh, and totally eliminates Kiss Players in the process.) ;)
I don't quite think you get what I was saying. I meant that he said both of the Million Publishing mangas weren't part of the cartoon timeline.

The first one certainly doesn't fit since they all had their WFC bodies, while the cartoon itself shows the creation of Megatron and Convoy in their original G1 bodies that they would keep after their arrival on Earth.


Honestly, I ignored it. Because you left out the fact that HYDRA said that UNITED EX coincides with Operation: Combination - A non-animated series that was not officially part of the animated family until the final timeline debuted in 2008. Plus, you also talked about the Zone OVA, which was retconned in favor of its non-animated counterpart. Which was what leads to Battlestars (non-animated), which is followed by with Operation: Combination (still non-animated). >:oP

In other words... TOMY made it clear that they allow anything Transformers to be used, as long as nothing conflicts with what they put out. And that even means that they could reissue Skyfire as Jetfire and have him be the leader of the Autobots (as it is canon when the Milton Bradley line matters). ;)
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:52 am

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Honestly, I ignored it. Because you left out the fact that HYDRA said that UNITED EX coincides with Operation: Combination - A non-animated series that was not officially part of the animated family until the final timeline debuted in 2008.
When/where was it said that Operation Combination wasn't part of the cartoon continuity prior to 2006/2007 (which were the years the large timeline were released)?

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, you also talked about the Zone OVA, which was retconned in favor of its non-animated counterpart. Which was what leads to Battlestars (non-animated), which is followed by with Operation: Combination (still non-animated). >:oP

In other words... TOMY made it clear that they allow anything Transformers to be used, as long as nothing conflicts with what they put out. And that even means that they could reissue Skyfire as Jetfire and have him be the leader of the Autobots (as it is canon when the Milton Bradley line matters). ;)
I don't get what's the issue here. The cartoon timeline includes the EX story, but not the Million Publishing stuff.

Hydra said that Japan considers the on-package toy bios of the pre-EX United toys to be the main fiction, and that they consider the Million Publishing mangas to be standalone micro-continuities not connected to the cartoon continuity.
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:26 am

Sabrblade wrote:When/where was it said that Operation Combination wasn't part of the cartoon continuity prior to 2006/2007 (which were the years the large timeline were released)?


Lets see... The answer would be 1990, as the animated fiction concluded with the Zone OVA. This was later confirmed by TOMY in 2007 when they tried to justify the merger, even though there was the issue with Predaking's longevity. :-?

Sabrblade wrote:Hydra said that Japan considers the on-package toy bios of the pre-EX United toys to be the main fiction, and that they consider the Million Publishing mangas to be standalone micro-continuities not connected to the cartoon continuity.


And this is something that I'd prefer having a one-on-one conversation with HYDRA on. >:oP Because it sounds like they are using the "Autobot edition" continuity that became official in 1998 (1996 debuted the Japanese track for The Rebirth, but it was not until 1998 did they put a Japanese track for Hasbro's version). :-B

But regardless, there is a few things I'd like to chat with HYDRA and verify. :-?
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:03 am

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KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Lets see... The answer would be 1990, as the animated fiction concluded with the Zone OVA. This was later confirmed by TOMY in 2007 when they tried to justify the merger, even though there was the issue with Predaking's longevity. :-?
Got a link to an official source that states "All post-Zone series were not part of the cartoon timeline until 2007?" Cuz, all accounts that I (and many others) have come across refer to them as a part of it, with each of them making specific callbacks to things like Transformers: The Movie, The Headmasters cartoon, and the Victory cartoon.

Also, don't forget that Zone's story didn't begun with its cartoon OVA or its sole manga chapter, but with its story pages. The OVA/manga story takes place between Story Page 3 and Story Page 4. ;)

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And this is something that I'd prefer having a one-on-one conversation with HYDRA on. >:oP Because it sounds like they are using the "Autobot edition" continuity that became official in 1998 (1996 debuted the Japanese track for The Rebirth, but it was not until 1998 did they put a Japanese track for Hasbro's version). :-B

But regardless, there is a few things I'd like to chat with HYDRA and verify. :-?
Well, he's an active member over at The Allspark Forums. Here's the thread in which he's giving commentary on each of the United EX chapters. ;)

I've been trying to ask him if he knows of any place that has the pre-EX United toy bios translated into English, but he hasn't answered. :|

Also, what's "Autobot Edition"?
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Re: United EX Story Tankmaster vs. Marinemaster - "Ocean Encounter" Translation

Postby KNM2012 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:14 pm

Sabrblade wrote:Got a link to an official source that states "All post-Zone series were not part of the cartoon timeline until 2007?" Cuz, all accounts that I (and many others) have come across refer to them as a part of it, with each of them making specific callbacks to things like Transformers: The Movie, The Headmasters cartoon, and the Victory cartoon.


I have a translation that was given to me. I will pass it to you when I can. Because there was a portion where they detail (see response below) the issue of how Predaking was killed immediately in the OVA, but not in the story pages.

Sabrblade wrote:Also, don't forget that Zone's story didn't begun with its cartoon OVA or its sole manga chapter, but with its story pages. The OVA/manga story takes place between Story Page 3 and Story Page 4. ;)


Problem with that is the fact that Trypticon and Predaking were around as late as Part 6. Which is something that TOMY could have retconned, but instead implied it still happened... Which also means that the events in the OVA lasted a lot longer than we were shown. (I feel ripped off.) :lol:

Sabrblade wrote:Well, he's an active member over at The Allspark Forums. Here's the thread in which he's giving commentary on each of the United EX chapters. ;)


Meh. I do not need no commentary. :lol: I just have a lot of stuff to discuss with him. Get in his head and whatnot. Because from what he is saying, UNITED would be based on the "Autobot edition" (see below) continuity. Namely because it has been a Japanese continuity since 1986 (The Rebirth came first). And because of that, Masterforce could have been about the Powermasters... Not the Godmasters. And Victory is untouchable, as they could simply say Ginrai is an Autobot that was based on Powermaster Optimus Prime... Which could also further validate Star Saber saving the lovable former Dinforce member. :-?

Sabrblade wrote:I've been trying to ask him if he knows of any place that has the pre-EX United toy bios translated into English, but he hasn't answered. :|


Yeah. I am assuming that they are not all based in the same continuity. I mean, unless Galvatron was reformatted back into Megatron by this mysterious leader, Optimus Prime may be the only core character that did not dimension hop. :-?

Sabrblade wrote:Also, what's "Autobot Edition"?


From what I was told, there are two LD sets - The Takara set and the Pioneer set. The Takara set was said to cover season 1 (Convoy Set), season 2 (Megatron Set), 2010, and The Headmasters (which included a Japanese dubbing of... ugh... The Rebirth). Whereas the Pioneer set does not have the additional clip shows and (along with their DVD set) also caps off with (again, ugh) The Rebirth.

Problem is that I have no real confirmation on if they did a Japanese dubbing for the Sunbow version or just did the packaging for international appeal. Or if it a fusion of the Sunbow and Takara versions. Because as we speak, until TOMY decides to put out an edition that combines the two sets, it is only a speculation that Pioneer did a new dub for their set. :-B

However, if it is confirmed that this was done, then we can calmly say which Japanese continuity UNITED EX comes from. ;)
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