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Evil_the_Nub wrote:

BeastProwl wrote:Silas Breakdown was a 10/10 badass character and idea, they should have kept him longer.

That's why I didn't like Prime. They had a lot of great concepts that were resolved way too quickly.

It is still great improvoement over Unicron Energon/Cybertron, where all great ideas where ruined by solving them all the same way aka "kill character and restore it with no memories."

Phase Shifter: Became Smokescreen's signature weapon, and saved him from death probably more times that G1 quotes have been uttered in the series.

To be honest, I belive that Phase Shifter was a terrible idea, mostly because creators never explain what is Shifter's weakness or downside. It's seems to be a perfect weapon. And this bring question why Smokescreen won't use it all the time. For me Phase Shfter should have some kind of drawback and don't protect from Predacon's fire.

The Apex Armor: Used to distract Soundwave so he would be trapped in the Shadowzone, also saving Jack's life.

The worst party about Apex Armor is that later against better judgement, they decide to give it to Miko.

TurboMMaster wrote:And this bring question why Smokescreen won't use it all the time.

Smokscreen used the phase shifter in 8 episodes plus the Predacons Rising movie. He's only been around for 18 episodes, but that's a lot when you consider that Smokescreen hadn't had a prominent role in some of the final episodes of the third season.

The Apex Armor: Used to distract Soundwave so he would be trapped in the Shadowzone, also saving Jack's life.

The worst party about Apex Armor is that later against better judgement, they decide to give it to Miko.

Why? I thought that was awesome.
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Possible unpopular opinion, since I'm sure we're taking this topic off course.

Dead Metal wrote:The original Marvel comics are crap, and have horrible artwork for the robots.

Agreed 150%. Those comics are pieces of trash.

I don't think the Autobots in Prime are self rightous hyprocrites as people seem to make them out to be.

I prefer Movie Ironhide and Sideswipe to their G1 versions.

I like Goldfire,Galvatron,Cyclonus and Scourge as different characters rather then being just existing characters with brand new designs and names.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The original Marvel comics are crap, and have horrible artwork for the robots.

Agreed 150%. Those comics are pieces of trash.

ANGER.

Well, here's another one from me. The 1986 movie is a piece of utter crap, with barely-connected scenes, two huge things-Unicron and the Matrix-pulled out the writer's asses, almost complete disrespect to the previous two seasons and generally is pretty much horrid.

And most of the season three G1 cast can go straight to hell.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Well, here's another one from me. The 1986 movie is a piece of utter crap, with barely-connected scenes, two huge things-Unicron and the Matrix-pulled out the writer's asses, almost complete disrespect to the previous two seasons and generally is pretty much horrid.

And most of the season three G1 cast can go straight to hell.

Get out.

Blast Cannon wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Well, here's another one from me. The 1986 movie is a piece of utter crap, with barely-connected scenes, two huge things-Unicron and the Matrix-pulled out the writer's asses, almost complete disrespect to the previous two seasons and generally is pretty much horrid.

And most of the season three G1 cast can go straight to hell.

Get out.

No.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Well, here's another one from me. The 1986 movie is a piece of utter crap, with barely-connected scenes, two huge things-Unicron and the Matrix-pulled out the writer's asses, almost complete disrespect to the previous two seasons and generally is pretty much horrid.

And most of the season three G1 cast can go straight to hell.

C'mon now. Yes, Unicron and the Matrix were plot gimmicks used by the writers that were new. So what? This happens all the time. Some are good, some not. I don't know how this disrespects the earlier seasons. Okay, you would think something like the matrix would have been mentioned before, but Unicron was new to them so that works fine.

And barely connected scenes? This is flat-out wrong. The scenes connect very well, actually. This is one thing the movie did well, even if you think the plot is weak.

I actually like the Alilenged countinuity. Yes it has problems but at the same time we still have time to have it more fleshed out. Besides wasn't the movie universe had this similer problem before Barber went and patched things up? Or most of IDW's troubles like AHM? The same can be done for the Aligend universe with careful writing.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Blast Cannon wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Well, here's another one from me. The 1986 movie is a piece of utter crap, with barely-connected scenes, two huge things-Unicron and the Matrix-pulled out the writer's asses, almost complete disrespect to the previous two seasons and generally is pretty much horrid.

And most of the season three G1 cast can go straight to hell.

Get out.

No.

Actually that's not enough, we need to revoke your TF license I'm afraid.

kaijuguy19 wrote:I actually like the Alilenged countinuity. Yes it has problems but at the same time we still have time to have it more fleshed out. Besides wasn't the movie universe had this similer problem before Barber went and patched things up? Or most of IDW's troubles like AHM? The same can be done for the Aligend universe with careful writing.

I just don't care for how the universe portrays Cybertron. Having it be a caste system seems stupid and takes away the impact of Optimus and Megatron rising from their previous positions.

SlyTF1 wrote:

kaijuguy19 wrote:I actually like the Alilenged countinuity. Yes it has problems but at the same time we still have time to have it more fleshed out. Besides wasn't the movie universe had this similer problem before Barber went and patched things up? Or most of IDW's troubles like AHM? The same can be done for the Aligend universe with careful writing.

I just don't care for how the universe portrays Cybertron. Having it be a caste system seems stupid and takes away the impact of Optimus and Megatron rising from their previous positions.

Really? I think it makes for a more compelling story. I like that Megatron just doesn't want to be just rid of Optimus, he hates him on a visceral level. His anger is so all consuming it makes him terrifying and blind on occasion. As for Optimus I find his spirit to continue the fight after all he has lost to be epic.

However those are just my feelings, don't let me tell you how to feel.

njb902 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

kaijuguy19 wrote:I actually like the Alilenged countinuity. Yes it has problems but at the same time we still have time to have it more fleshed out. Besides wasn't the movie universe had this similer problem before Barber went and patched things up? Or most of IDW's troubles like AHM? The same can be done for the Aligend universe with careful writing.

I just don't care for how the universe portrays Cybertron. Having it be a caste system seems stupid and takes away the impact of Optimus and Megatron rising from their previous positions.

Really? I think it makes for a more compelling story. I like that Megatron just doesn't want to be just rid of Optimus, he hates him on a visceral level. His anger is so all consuming it makes him terrifying and blind on occasion. As for Optimus I find his spirit to continue the fight after all he has lost to be epic.

However those are just my feelings, don't let me tell you how to feel.

I think the movies did that better. Megatron never exactly went out of his way to kill Optimus, until The Fallen needed him dead. Even at the end of DOTM, he wanted to spare Optimus. I didn't see any hatred there, just him doing what he has to do to try to restore Cybertron. With the aligned continuity, it just feels like Optimus and Megatron's motives are less... personal, and less motivated just because of the addition of that caste system. The caste system basically set them on their paths. I like to think that Orion was a librarian and Megatron was a gladiator by choice, then to see them rise to the points that they are by the time they get to Earth, by choice, instead of having their fates spelled out for them by their government. I also liked in the movies how Optimus and Megatron were brothers. In the aligned continuity, they were just allies for a time.

SlyTF1 wrote:I think the movies did that better. Megatron never exactly went out of his way to kill Optimus, until The Fallen needed him dead.

Actually, I belive that Megatron's primary objective was to capture Sam. This is why he didn't use his fool power to beat Optimus badly. And turned around from Optimus each time he saw Sam running. Megatron hoped that he may capture Sam and gain acces to he's knowledge before Fallen could be released, so he could have all the glory and become independent from he's master. With energon gathered from our Sun, he become too powerfull even for Fallen. However, he consider Grindor's demise as a humiliation, and in anger decide to kill Optimus. So, Forest Battle was well calculated, yet Megatron suffer vilianous breakdown for a moment and screw everything...

I can see where the lack of feeling behind how "Aligned" continuity sets up the back story feels somewhat less than adequate in terms of a fully fleshed out reasoning for the war, but I still feel it has a great deal of merit to it, especially If we take some of the back story fashioned from IDW's own G1 based continuity into consideration... in fact the more that comes out of it the more I think IDW's G1 continuity could very much be an alternate take on "Aligned" itself or vice-versa.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

kaijuguy19 wrote:While the movies are far from perfect they aren't really on Batman and Robin levels of awful though ROTF comes close.

There are not many movies that are the level of Batman and Robin.

Ali-baba & The Gold Raiders, North, Catwoman, The Cavern, Son of the Mask are all films I consider worse than Batman & Robin.

It's too late at night for me to say all that I have to say, but I guess I can mention one thing:

Transformers The Movie is severely overrated. I won't deny that their are some awesome scenes in it, but the bad outweigh the good parts sadly in my opinion. Lackluster new characters introduced while already loved/tolerated characters are offed in a second so more toys can be pumped out, lack of motivation for the bots once Optimus dies so that situations just "come to them", unnecessary segments with 80's songs though on their own they sound cool, the fact that as a film itself, you can't really enjoy it unless you had previously watched the cartoon, Optimus' death (how it happened, why it happened) etc.

I still think the first Bayformers is the worst of the 3.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:The original Marvel comics are crap, and have horrible artwork for the robots.

Agreed 150%. Those comics are pieces of trash.

Depends on your perspective, if it's US comics then I agree, however most of the UK storylines and artwork are excellent.

mrmonkey wrote:I still think the first Bayformers is the worst of the 3.

What a relief. I thought I was the only one. The entire movie is nothing but humans running around doing nothing but aimless ****, while we await the Autbot's arrival only halfway through the movie, and when they finally get here... all they do is stand around in the background as humans do even more aimless ****, until the last 10 minutes when they actually start fighting... in the background while Sam runs around a city. Plus, the fight scenes that it does have are so shaky, I can still barely tell what's going on. I truly cannot understand how people can like the first movie and not ROTF and DOTM.

Slashercon wrote:the fact that as a film itself, you can't really enjoy it unless you had previously watched the cartoon, Optimus' death (how it happened, why it happened) etc.

That's not entirely true. When the 20th anniversary DVD came out, I had watched the Transformers Movie and had no idea the cartoon existed, and I still thoroughly enjoyed it for its character development and plot, especially the latter's deviation from the cartoon's light and cheesy tone.

SlyTF1 wrote:

mrmonkey wrote:I still think the first Bayformers is the worst of the 3.

What a relief. I thought I was the only one. The entire movie is nothing but humans running around doing nothing but aimless ****, while we await the Autbot's arrival only halfway through the movie, and when they finally get here... all they do is stand around in the background as humans do even more aimless ****, until the last 10 minutes when they actually start fighting... in the background while Sam runs around a city. Plus, the fight scenes that it does have are so shaky, I can still barely tell what's going on. I truly cannot understand how people can like the first movie and not ROTF and DOTM.

Yeah, same here. All the movies have their issues, but at least the sequels aren't 80% filler.

mrmonkey wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

mrmonkey wrote:I still think the first Bayformers is the worst of the 3.

What a relief. I thought I was the only one. The entire movie is nothing but humans running around doing nothing but aimless ****, while we await the Autbot's arrival only halfway through the movie, and when they finally get here... all they do is stand around in the background as humans do even more aimless ****, until the last 10 minutes when they actually start fighting... in the background while Sam runs around a city. Plus, the fight scenes that it does have are so shaky, I can still barely tell what's going on. I truly cannot understand how people can like the first movie and not ROTF and DOTM.

Yeah, same here. All the movies have their issues, but at least the sequels aren't 80% filler.

I saw the first film as having build up instead of filler. However, my problem with the sequels is that we are already introduced to certain bots in X# of films. I want to see more of them rather than focus on more human elements. Also, having more robots isn't necessarily a good thing as they either wind up as cannon fodder or simply background characters in their own movie. And keep in mind, I still somewhat enjoy ROTF. The ending to DOTM however is one of the worst aspects of the trilogy for me. (And I am NOT talking about Megatron or Sentinel Prime.)

PrymeStriker wrote:

Slashercon wrote:the fact that as a film itself, you can't really enjoy it unless you had previously watched the cartoon, Optimus' death (how it happened, why it happened) etc.

That's not entirely true. When the 20th anniversary DVD came out, I had watched the Transformers Movie and had no idea the cartoon existed, and I still thoroughly enjoyed it for its character development and plot, especially the latter's deviation from the cartoon's light and cheesy tone.

Well, that's what I thought others would perceive it, but I guess I was wrong. You know what would have been awesome...if the cartoon had the tone of the movie. Then I feel the two would mesh more seemingly together. Kill off characters over time and not in such a short span of an hour and twenty minute film.