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Toonzone has posted the first promo for next week's all new episode of Transformers Prime Beast Hunters, "Rebellion". We also have a YouTube version of the clip courtesy of TFPSeason2Upload , which we've embedded below. Be sure to tune into the Hub next Friday at 7:30 PM ET.

We also have an extended synopsis for this episode from the AT&T Uverse Program Guide:

The Decepticons are in for the fight of their lives when their long-standing fortress comes under the unexpected attack of the vengeful Autobots, who are being led to an anticipated victory by a new and courageous member of Team Prime.

Wow. I know that we all knew Prime would kick the bucket but I'm surprised they used the classic "eyes go dark" shot already in the promo. Well, I'm excited no matter what! This season is shaping up to be pretty dang epic! But I'm still confused on one thing. I'm not sure if this has been said somewhere or that's it's obvious to everyone but me and I'm just outta the loo, but are we going to get the rest of the Predacons in the show? I know we got a few CGI renders in desktop wallpaper form, but are we gonna see them in this last season or where they just created for the toyline?

Nicccceee, it looks like Smokescreen is becoming the man. Who would have guess that.

Oh just die already you weak autobots. Shockwave AND Megatron AND Soundwave AND Starscream plus a ton of insecticons against a bunch of baseless, leaderless autobots... For once, I would like a realistic end in which the obviously superior force dominates without some pansy, lucky chance, perfectly-setup win. Add the fact that theres "Predaking", come on... an autobot win would be simply for the sake of a happy ending. Arg, damn toons for kids, ignoring the subject matter of which they set up in the first place.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Oh just die already you weak autobots. Shockwave AND Megatron AND Soundwave AND Starscream plus a ton of insecticons against a bunch of baseless, leaderless autobots... For once, I would like a realistic end in which the obviously superior force dominates without some pansy, lucky chance, perfectly-setup win. Add the fact that theres "Predaking", come on... an autobot win would be simply for the sake of a happy ending. Arg, damn toons for kids, ignoring the subject matter of which they set up in the first place.

Well, that being the case, you would probably love the Japanese G1 followups as well as the two Japanese Beast Wars series then. I understand that the heroes frequently get killed off at the end of these.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Oh just die already you weak autobots. Shockwave AND Megatron AND Soundwave AND Starscream plus a ton of insecticons against a bunch of baseless, leaderless autobots... For once, I would like a realistic end in which the obviously superior force dominates without some pansy, lucky chance, perfectly-setup win. Add the fact that theres "Predaking", come on... an autobot win would be simply for the sake of a happy ending. Arg, damn toons for kids, ignoring the subject matter of which they set up in the first place.

Should point out that smaller forces sometimes defeat the larger forces. Rorke's Drift for example where a smaller (150) force defeated a larger (4000-5000) force.

Should also point out that Starscream is horribly weak in this cartoon, having been defeated by just about everybody minus Cliffjumper. We haven't seen Shockwave fight, and Soundwave rarely leaves the house. Megatron also seems to be immortal in this show and the insecticons are pretty much mindless.

I'm with you for realism, but if we are going to nitpick we should at least wait and see if smokescreen become Rodimus or if they are doing the lights out bit just to string us along till Ratchet is found.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Oh just die already you weak autobots. Shockwave AND Megatron AND Soundwave AND Starscream plus a ton of insecticons against a bunch of baseless, leaderless autobots... For once, I would like a realistic end in which the obviously superior force dominates without some pansy, lucky chance, perfectly-setup win. Add the fact that theres "Predaking", come on... an autobot win would be simply for the sake of a happy ending. Arg, damn toons for kids, ignoring the subject matter of which they set up in the first place.

Too true. I personally hate the fact that things go to crap when Optimus is gone. I wanted to slap everyone in the Base during the Orion Pax arc. And again, when Ratchet was being whinny.

For f***'s sake, how the hell do you ppl survive as a guerilla unit ??!!! YOU GUYS AREN'T THE EQUIVALENT OF THE SITCOM DAD'S ARMY !!!!!

So, from what I can tell, the Autobots are infiltrating Darkmount, Ultra Magnus gets ready to shoot someone, Wheeljack and Bulkhead look passed out (praying for these two to finally die, but not getting my hopes up), Megatron ordering to execute the Autobots, Ultra Magnus picks up a gun instead of using his built-in cannons and shoots at something or someone, the Seekers in array, another dying Optimus scene with Smokescreen, Optimus "dies", Bumblebee, Arcee, Bulkhead, and Wheeljack are under capture, and Smokescreen transforms.

Kay, sounds like I may be bored through this episode.

The episode further shows how much smokescreen was based off hotrod's character and story arc...

Wheeljack similarly appears to be based off springer, I miss wheeljack as the mad scientist, he could've come up with most of the devices that are the relics. "who made shoulder pads in charge.." loved that

Cobalt Prime wrote:Well, that being the case, you would probably love the Japanese G1 followups as well as the two Japanese Beast Wars series then. I understand that the heroes frequently get killed off at the end of these.

Hmmm.. I wouldn't mind checking these out then, if theres english subtitles...

You guys are right about the Cons not actually being active in their role as bad guys, just sort of passive, and letting Vehicons and Starscream consistently fumble things up. I swear, if Megatron did everything himself, they would all be dead. Instead he sits back and lets the others mess things up, haha. Anyway, Now that I'm sober again, I can take the show for what it is. I would like to see Prime die, just because it would be the minimal show of them not trying to be all wimpy and biased to the good guys (even though he's died a ton before, it doesn't mean much anymore). Now when Dinobot died in Beast Wars... that was a death!

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Cobalt Prime wrote:Well, that being the case, you would probably love the Japanese G1 followups as well as the two Japanese Beast Wars series then. I understand that the heroes frequently get killed off at the end of these.

Hmmm.. I wouldn't mind checking these out then, if theres english subtitles...

You guys are right about the Cons not actually being active in their role as bad guys, just sort of passive, and letting Vehicons and Starscream consistently fumble things up. I swear, if Megatron did everything himself, they would all be dead. Instead he sits back and lets the others mess things up, haha. Anyway, Now that I'm sober again, I can take the show for what it is. I would like to see Prime die, just because it would be the minimal show of them not trying to be all wimpy and biased to the good guys (even though he's died a ton before, it doesn't mean much anymore). Now when Dinobot died in Beast Wars... that was a death!

Couldn't agree more about Dinobot's death. It was without a doubt the best executed death in a Transformers cartoon, ever.

I haven't watched a single episode of Transformers Prime thus far. Maybe I should. Where can I watch it online?

Delta Magnus wrote:I haven't watched a single episode of Transformers Prime thus far. Maybe I should. Where can I watch it online?

You can find it all on YouTube. If you have Netflix Instant streaming, it has the entire first two seasons. Season 3's episodes are still being put up on YouTube as they air.

Varia31 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:I haven't watched a single episode of Transformers Prime thus far. Maybe I should. Where can I watch it online?

You can find it all on YouTube. If you have Netflix Instant streaming, it has the entire first two seasons. Season 3's episodes are still being put up on YouTube as they air.

Thanks. I might give it a go.

Does Prime die? NOPE!

Peter Cullen wrote:: In Season 3, there are times when Optimus Prime is really being kicked around, and he makes it back. Despite all the trials and tribulations, he gets back on his feet, which is a great message. Always coming back. Always surviving. Always being strong. Always being your best.

As for the rest of this thread:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Oh just die already you weak autobots.

If they're so weak, why have they always won nearly every battle minus the season 2 finale?

MINDVVIPE wrote:Shockwave

Hasn't done anything.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Megatron

Got bested several times in the past.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Soundwave

Stays home most of the time.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Starscream

Is the show's (lovable) butt monkey.

MINDVVIPE wrote:plus a ton of insecticons

Who drop like rocks when in large numbers (they only seem to be strong when they're by themselves).

MINDVVIPE wrote:For once, I would like a realistic end in which the obviously superior force dominates without some pansy, lucky chance, perfectly-setup win.

In other words, you want to watch something miserable, depressing, discouraging, and other such terms of dispair.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Add the fact that theres "Predaking", come on... an autobot win would be simply for the sake of a happy ending.

And? If you don't want that, you're dealing with the wrong franchise (unless it's Shattered Glass).

Cobalt Prime wrote:Well, that being the case, you would probably love the Japanese G1 followups as well as the two Japanese Beast Wars series then. I understand that the heroes frequently get killed off at the end of these.

And which shows would these be, exactly? I've seen The Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, and Zone, and know about Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, yet none of those are the death-fests you've described.

_Anshin_ wrote:I'm with you for realism, but if we are going to nitpick we should at least wait and see if smokescreen become Rodimus or if they are doing the lights out bit just to string us along till Ratchet is found.

But, the show already had Ratchet be found.

ARCTrooperAlpha wrote:Too true. I personally hate the fact that things go to crap when Optimus is gone. I wanted to slap everyone in the Base during the Orion Pax arc. And again, when Ratchet was being whinny.

Thank goodness they had Jack to keep everyone level-headed.

ARCTrooperAlpha wrote:For f***'s sake, how the hell do you ppl survive as a guerilla unit ??!!! YOU GUYS AREN'T THE EQUIVALENT OF THE SITCOM DAD'S ARMY !!!!!

Because all they ever fight are wimpy cannon fodder lookalikes most of the time.

PrymeStriker wrote:(praying for these two to finally die, but not getting my hopes up),

At this point, the Autobots need all the bodies they can get, as any of them dying this early would make it harder and harder for the writers to write in a victory for the Autobots without bringing in even more new guys.

PrymeStriker wrote:Kay, sounds like I may be bored through this episode.

In other words, "Autobots wage their battle to destroy the evil fortress of... the Decepticons."

frogbat wrote:The episode further shows how much smokescreen was based off hotrod's character and story arc...

Only differences being that, unlike Hot Rod, Smokescreen is clever, resourceful, and skilled, being able to undo any jam he's in on his own without help, as well as actually putting his rashness and recklessness to good use that proves to be beneficial in the long run.

frogbat wrote:Wheeljack similarly appears to be based off springer, I miss wheeljack as the mad scientist, he could've come up with most of the devices that are the relics. "who made shoulder pads in charge.." loved that

So glad to see someone not being comparaing him to Drift. Look people, just because he has swords and works alone doesn't make him a Drift expy.

Hasbro even admitted at BotCon 2011 that Wheeljack's personality wasn't based on Drift, but that of the typical lone warrior type common to many forms of fiction.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Hmmm.. I wouldn't mind checking these out then, if theres english subtitles...

The Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory have all been released in subbed DVD form three times (UK, Australia, and U.S.), as well as fansubbed by TV-Nihon.

Zone has only been subbed in a bootleg release, which can be found on both the UK and Australian Victory DVDs, but not the U.S. one.

Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo have been partially fansubbed by Ctenosaur, but that group never completed subbing either series, and both have remained incomplete for years. Both have only just recently come out on DVD in Japan (14-15 years after their original Japanese broadcast on TV), so there hasn't been any subbed DVD releases either.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I swear, if Megatron did everything himself, they would all be dead.

Ratchet, Bulkhead, and Bumblebee all fought him together at the beginning of season 2 without holding anything back, yet he couldn't kill the three of them (nor could they kill him either, though).

MINDVVIPE wrote:Instead he sits back and lets the others mess things up, haha.

Just like many past Megatrons.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I would like to see Prime die, just because it would be the minimal show of them not trying to be all wimpy and biased to the good guys (even though he's died a ton before, it doesn't mean much anymore). Now when Dinobot died in Beast Wars... that was a death!

When has there been a TF cartoon that didn't favor the good guys? Isn't that kinda the whole point of the brand's media. To send an uplifting message that, "No matter how bad things get, good can and will triumph over evil"?

Even when Dinobot died, he still dealt a major blow to the Predacons, foiling their plans despite it costing his life.

Fair points, but I disagree on it being "depressing" if the bad guys actually show they prowess in less of a... OHP, last moment change like when rocky fought Dolph lundgren. The comics aren't depressing and full of despair, yet the Decepticons don't constantly get pwned like they do in the toons. Same franchise, different stories.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Fair points, but I disagree on it being "depressing" if the bad guys actually show they prowess in less of a... OHP, last moment change like when rocky fought Dolph lundgren. The comics aren't depressing and full of despair, yet the Decepticons don't constantly get pwned like they do in the toons. Same franchise, different stories.

Well, with how dark this show is, if the cons did wind up winning, it would be very depressing, indeed.

The comics are written differently than how this show is since cartoons are more ubiquitous that comics. More kids can easily view cartoons on TV than they can get their hands on comics, so the show writers have to make it so the kids have something optimistic and hopeful to look towards in the long run.

Delta Magnus wrote:

Varia31 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:I haven't watched a single episode of Transformers Prime thus far. Maybe I should. Where can I watch it online?

You can find it all on YouTube. If you have Netflix Instant streaming, it has the entire first two seasons. Season 3's episodes are still being put up on YouTube as they air.

Thanks. I might give it a go.

go for youtube as last resort youtube evetually tkes episodes down delete person accout for not deleting episodes its rare you will find whole every episode fro mthat series go wit hnetflix, amazon, itunes, other online streaming sites, prime dies i belive it when i see it be nice its possible he gets new body upgrade in future episodes

Sabrblade wrote:as any of them dying this early would make it harder and harder for the writers to write in a victory for the Autobots without bringing in even more new guys.

So, bringing in more new guys is a taboo now, therefore they can't kill anyone off?

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:as any of them dying this early would make it harder and harder for the writers to write in a victory for the Autobots without bringing in even more new guys.

So, bringing in more new guys is a taboo now, therefore they can't kill anyone off?

I think Sabrblade is referring to the overall Prime cartoon strategy, which encompasses both the fiction and the applications used to create the fiction; whereas PrymeStriker is looking directly at the fiction itself.

Or: PrymeStriker is making complete sense within the fiction itself. Sabrblade is saying that not only are resources for the Autobot team at a current low; no new members will be joining due to not only the straggling nature of Autobots making their way to Earth but also because it would require new CGI renders and shoehorning characters in at the last moment without good characterization, like Smokescreen.

Sabrblade wrote:

frogbat wrote:Wheeljack similarly appears to be based off springer, I miss wheeljack as the mad scientist, he could've come up with most of the devices that are the relics. "who made shoulder pads in charge.." loved that

So glad to see someone not being comparaing him to Drift. Look people, just because he has swords and works alone doesn't make him a Drift expy.

Hasbro even admitted at BotCon 2011 that Wheeljack's personality wasn't based on Drift, but that of the typical lone warrior type common to many forms of fiction.

Drift is based off the many of the same lone warrior stereotypes, making yours and Hasbro's arguments invalid. I like the Springer reference much better.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:as any of them dying this early would make it harder and harder for the writers to write in a victory for the Autobots without bringing in even more new guys.

So, bringing in more new guys is a taboo now, therefore they can't kill anyone off?

I mean, having them killed off so soon would feel hollow and meaningless, with new guys who we've never seen before having to come in and take their place. Think like how Transformers: The Movie just mercilessly killed off many fan favorites and replaced them with abruptly added newcomers.

There are many of us who want to see the heroes we current have, who have been with us since the very beginning, come out on top and claim victory. If they were all killed off, that'd be like saying that all they were working to accomplish over the span of two seasons was for nothing, that in the very end, they were destined to fail and get replaced by deus ex machina characters who come in at the last moment to save the day, but only too little too late to save the ones we've been rooting for for so long.

datguy86 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

frogbat wrote:Wheeljack similarly appears to be based off springer, I miss wheeljack as the mad scientist, he could've come up with most of the devices that are the relics. "who made shoulder pads in charge.." loved that

So glad to see someone not being comparaing him to Drift. Look people, just because he has swords and works alone doesn't make him a Drift expy.

Hasbro even admitted at BotCon 2011 that Wheeljack's personality wasn't based on Drift, but that of the typical lone warrior type common to many forms of fiction.

Drift is based off the many of the same lone warrior stereotypes, making yours and Hasbro's arguments invalid. I like the Springer reference much better.

The arguments are that Wheeljack is directly based on Drift and no one else. He's "Drift in a Wheeljack's body", "Driftjack", "Drift-knockoff Wheeljack", "looks like Wheeljack but acts like Drift", etc. etc.

They never even bother to think that the sword-wielding lone warrior type is a common trait of fiction, instead citing Drift as the sole and intended inspiration for the Prime Wheeljack character (despite Drift having never even been a Wrecker, among other differences between the two). THAT is what Hasbro and I were refuting.

datguy86 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

frogbat wrote:Wheeljack similarly appears to be based off springer, I miss wheeljack as the mad scientist, he could've come up with most of the devices that are the relics. "who made shoulder pads in charge.." loved that

So glad to see someone not being comparaing him to Drift. Look people, just because he has swords and works alone doesn't make him a Drift expy.

Hasbro even admitted at BotCon 2011 that Wheeljack's personality wasn't based on Drift, but that of the typical lone warrior type common to many forms of fiction.

Drift is based off the many of the same lone warrior stereotypes, making yours and Hasbro's arguments invalid. I like the Springer reference much better.

The arguments are that Wheeljack is directly based on Drift and no one else. He's "Drift in a Wheeljack's body", "Driftjack", "Drift-knockoff Wheeljack", "looks like Wheeljack but acts like Drift", etc. etc.

They never even bother to think that the sword-wielding lone warrior type is a common trait of fiction, instead citing Drift as the sole and intended inspiration for the Prime Wheeljack character (despite Drift having never even been a Wrecker, among other differences between the two). THAT is what Hasbro and I were refuting.[/quote]

Two Autobots who transform into predominantly white cars with East Asian influences (Drift's Kanji stamped on his chassis and magic sword; Wheeljack's katana-like blades), heavy emphasis on being a loner, "Let's Get Dangerous" attitudes, etc. Yeah, I guess public perception - especially at first glance - would never have lumped these two in the same bin.

And if Drift takes a heavy influence from the lone warrior, and then Wheeljack comes after Drift with a heavy influence from the lone warrior - an aspect/archetype/mythology Drift is now part of - and further topped off with a huge honkin' physical similarity to Drift with similar weapons and melee fighting styles...

Then yours and Hasbro's argument is invalid. Their personalities and backgrounds in the long run may be different, but the above similarities and perceptions still exist. "Wheeldrift" is an apt name for Jackie until some time is spent with the character. Again, I personally prefer the Springer comparison. However, there's plenty evidence as to whom Hasbro was trying to emulate (and you'll notice your quote clearly states 'personality' and not 'character') before the writers said 'nope' or someone realized Drift actually sucked. Or both.

And that's not going into the samurai-afflicted version done by TakaraTomy.

I really don't see Prime dying...too obvious. I really think Smokescreen is going to use the forge and fix Prime

bvzxa wrote:I really don't see Prime dying...too obvious. I really think Smokescreen is going to use the forge and fix Prime

And Cullen said prime gets back, and there's a new beast hunters prime figure, so you're probably right. I don' care that much about him dying actually. I think I just want the cons to win since they have the upper hand, looking at it from a perspective that isn't the shows primary audience of kids... So whatever. Predaking sucks so far. All he is is hard to kill, but he barely did any damage.

I didn't realize there was a springer vs drift debate. I don't follow the comics much so I didn't make the connection. I have the toy which I think is great...

What made me think he was springer was his part in being a wrecker and his caustic comments and general tone which reminded me of springer in the animated movie.

Regarding sword wielding samurai stereotypes... There have been plenty like TFA prowl. prime wheeljack's love for explosions as well as swords makes me think he's more pragmatic and uses the best tool to get the job done which is perhaps truer to my idea of what the wreckers are meant to be about,. Now we need a love triangle with wheeljack falling for RC who falls for smoke rodimus instead.