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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Wow, one of the proposed possibilities actually came true!

Va'al wrote:This still seems not to explain the alternate head found in the Ratchet instructions, pictured below.

We already have an explanation for that head: Arms Micron Swerve. The head design was used for a different mold, and since G1 Swerve was a retool of G1 Gears... See what they did?

Aha, fair enough (and yes, I just saw Sabr's response too; I take on both your points!).

Prime Breakdown made too much sense, so of course they rejected that idea.

Tornado was the UK name of the G2 Cyberjet Windrazor. Silver and red seeker confirmed, but because the Classics mold makes too much sense (see: Making funpub easy money), it'll be a FoC Starscream seeker instead.

Well guys, consider that Cannonball not being a voyager might mean another figure gets that treatment. Plus would you want Cannonball to tower over the other toys in the set? He was kind of a short deluxe in Cybertron

ScottyP wrote:Tornado was the UK name of the G2 Cyberjet Windrazor. Silver and red seeker confirmed, but because the Classics mold makes too much sense (see: Making funpub easy money), it'll be a FoC Starscream seeker instead.

Except that the Tornado who is a member of Squadron X originated as a toyless Marvel Comics character like Straxus and Jhiaxus used to be.



Here's another look at him with Squadron X. Though not the best look, he can be seen towards the middle of the image:

Houston, we have a visual!

https://twitter.com/BotCon/status/431814568705134594/photo/1

Before we ask who is the Navigator, let's show you who the Captain of the Star Seekers is! #PVK pic.twitter.com/VaBzlCXIPR

^^ I completely forgot about that Tornado character. So much apathy, haha.

^ Liking it. Wish it was coming with a version of RA instead of the RiD swords.

Since the cat got out of the bag this morning BotCon decided to go ahead and fully reveal Cannonball from this year's Pirates vs. Knights set. As previously reported earlier this morning the figure is a repaint/remold of Transformers Prime Robots in Disguise Delxue Ratchet, which they also state is the only Prime mold in the set. Check him out below:

Well here we go again...the guy in texas gets the magazine first, but the fan site is more loyal to the club than the fans and wont show the picture. Maybe TFCC should just put the damn magazine on facebook because it will be all over by the end of the day. What a joke. Anyways, I dont see why it was so hard to choose a mold for a figure that was a mere repaint anyways. Its freaking cybertron red alert repainted. I never considered a dodge magnum hatchback to be a rescue vehicle, even if it did have a siren on top. It was red alerts deco that made him a rescue vehicle. The cannonball repaint was by no means a rescue vehicle. Skulls ? Cmon now...I still would have preferred the breakdown mold. This is one character that didnt have to be too faithful to his original mold since he was just a repaint. They could have been a bit more daring. That head only works for ratchet. And TFCCs cheapness not to give every figure a new head isnt helping. Are the new heads really that expensive ? Cant they just order heads from a resin artist here in the States in bulk quantities ? They did for the longarm shockwave custom class figure. It made the TFCCs anti third party stance look like a joke. Like, yeah guys we dont support resin kits in our dealer room but we buy them anyways, lol. But it was good to see that ban lifted last year in San Diego. Even TFCC saw the light that shunning 3rd party items at a TF convention was bad for business. So maybe now Renderform can make a better head for cannonball now that we know the mold. Im not going this year but Im still interested in buying at least some of the figures. Do it Venksta !!! Edit....special thanks to El Duque for letting us see the image. You are the man ! I wish you made all the decisions for this site. Also glad to see the club isnt cheaping out on a new head mold. But im still disappointed they went with that stupid tf primish grin instead of a more serious classics look. Just because they are using tf prime molds, doesnt mean they cant have classics style heads. Or is the real theme of this years botcon tf prime ?

Sweet! Love how it matches up to the Cybertron original:

One more thing. He's the sole Prime mold in the set:

https://twitter.com/BotCon/status/431816933957058560

@PrimalSabbath and yes. Only Prime mold in the set #lovethoseclassics #Energonreturnstoo?

But does "set" refer to just the boxed set, or the whole collective set of BotCon 2014 exclusives, I wonder?

And... could the Club be breaking their "no Unicron Trilogy molds" decision and be using Energon molds again?

I love it!

SOLD! SOLD! A THOUSAND TIMES SOLD!

HOLD ON TO YER UNDERWEAR BOYS, I'M GOIN' TO BOTCON!

I wouldn't be mad one bit if this was redecoed into Red Alert. Not at all. Even if he was included in this year's set, or one of those two-pack baggies. That's how much this design kicks ass.

Sabrblade wrote:And... could the Club be breaking their "no Unicron Trilogy molds" decision and be using Energon molds again?

I'm gunna be the bad fan here; I'd go absolute hysterical over Energon toys. YOu guys know how I pretty much lost all sense of control when Generations Armada Starscream was unveiled at BotCon and SDCC? Imagine that, but a little less.

Was the animated show bad? Yeah, it was somewhat mediocre. But the toys? Deep down, even though Energon was the worst of the three series of the Unicron Trilogy, people know that Energon had the most kickass toys. There's no denying it.

Rated X wrote:Well here we go again...the guy in texas gets the magazine first, but the fan site is more loyal to the club than the fans and wont show the picture.

You seriously asking the site to be sued by Hasbro for spreading private copyrighted material? BAD Move.

And TFCCs cheapness not to give every figure a new head isnt helping. Are the new heads really that expensive ?

Yes they are.

Cant they just order heads from a resin artist here in the States in bulk quantities ? They did for the longarm shockwave custom class figure.

You'd need a lot of resin for that and even more time, since no machines are involved. Plus, shipping them to China where the factories are?

It made the TFCCs anti third party stance look like a joke. Like, yeah guys we dont support resin kits in our dealer room but we buy them anyways, lol. But it was good to see that ban lifted last year in San Diego. Even TFCC saw the light that shunning 3rd party items at a TF convention was bad for business. So maybe now Renderform can make a better head for cannonball now that we know the mold. Im not going this year but Im still interested in buying at least some of the figures. Do it Venksta !!!

That's Hasbro's stance, not (just) TFCC. Plus, SDCC and NYCC are comic and toy conventions for the most part, it's all fair game. BotCon is TF-only, so we can see the 3rd Party ban there.

This is going to sound like a strange complaint, but I think they missed an opportunity by making this look too much like Cybertron Red Alert's head. I normally dislike asymmetry, but part of the reason I never bought Cannonball back in the day was that painting half his visor black to simulate an eye patch seemed cheap, albeit creative for a repaint. (And from the moment I saw that beautiful mold, the only repaint I was interested in was Crankcase, who we thankfully got).

Here, however, they had a chance to sculpt his optics different from each other to drive the idea home, with either a scope or a plate over the left one. I mean, Wings Universe Cannonball should have a slightly different design from UT Cannonball; surely he lost the eye through different circumstances, right?

Still, it does look slicker than Red Alert's head, and maybe this sketch will be tweaked a bit before it's sculpted.

Sabrblade wrote:One more thing. He's the sole Prime mold in the set:

https://twitter.com/BotCon/status/431816933957058560

@PrimalSabbath and yes. Only Prime mold in the set #lovethoseclassics #Energonreturnstoo?

But does "set" refer to just the boxed set, or the whole collective set of BotCon 2014 exclusives, I wonder?

And... could the Club be breaking their "no Unicron Trilogy molds" decision and be using Energon molds again?

That's pretty cool with me, actually. Doesn't mean they won't use the Ratchet mold more that once though

And bring on some Energon molds. The Mirage/Dreadwing boat makes a lot of sense as a Pirate character, and Wing Saber looks kind of Knight-like.

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And... could the Club be breaking their "no Unicron Trilogy molds" decision and be using Energon molds again?

I'm gunna be the bad fan here; I'd go absolute hysterical over Energon toys. YOu guys know how I pretty much lost all sense of control when Generations Armada Starscream was unveiled at BotCon and SDCC? Imagine that, but a little less.

Was the animated show bad? Yeah, it was somewhat mediocre. But the toys? Deep down, even though Energon was the worst of the three series of the Unicron Trilogy, people know that Energon had the most kickass toys. There's no denying it.

I think it's almost unanimously agreed that Energon had excellent toys despite its terrible cartoon.

It's like the ROTF of the Unicron Trilogy. Great toys, not-so-great motion picture fiction.

Cybertron/Galaxy Force had the best toys, but sure, Energon was pretty kick butt too.

Sabrblade wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And... could the Club be breaking their "no Unicron Trilogy molds" decision and be using Energon molds again?

I'm gunna be the bad fan here; I'd go absolute hysterical over Energon toys. YOu guys know how I pretty much lost all sense of control when Generations Armada Starscream was unveiled at BotCon and SDCC? Imagine that, but a little less.

Was the animated show bad? Yeah, it was somewhat mediocre. But the toys? Deep down, even though Energon was the worst of the three series of the Unicron Trilogy, people know that Energon had the most kickass toys. There's no denying it.

I think it's almost unanimously agreed that Energon had excellent toys despite its terrible cartoon.

It's like the ROTF of the Unicron Trilogy. Great toys, not-so-great motion picture fiction.

I have mixed feeling about Energon. On the one hand, I love all of the Decepticons from that line. The Scout Class autobots were neat, and I absolutely love the brute mode pair of Landmine and Bulkhead. but I could not stand the deluxe and voyager autobots from that line. the combination gimmick was horribly executed, often resulting in extraneous arms/legs hanging off the combined mode's ass. in addition to any pre-existing alt mode kibble.

OK, I admit it. I don't hate it. Let's hope FunPub gets molds from as many different toylines as possible. That would be a true tribute to 30 years for Transformers.

Yeah, the only strike against the Cybertron toyline was it getting saddled with the worst of the overarching UT gimmicks. Force Chips/Cyber Keys are all too easily lost, since they don't do anything when not plugged into their bot.

Sabrblade wrote:I think it's almost unanimously agreed that Energon had excellent toys despite its terrible cartoon.

It's like the ROTF of the Unicron Trilogy. Great toys, not-so-great motion picture fiction.

I never thought about it, but yeah, ROTF started out strong, then meandered about a third of they way through until totally losing coherence, just like the Energon 'toon.

And the Energon comic was unfairly cut short by Dreamwave's bankruptcy, just like ROTF was hobbled by the writers' strike. The HUGE difference being that I was wholly on the writers' side in the latter case, whereas Pat Lee on the other hand...

It's a good choice. I would've liked to have seen Breakbown, but I can understand their reasoning.

Rated X wrote:Edit....special thanks to El Duque for letting us see the image. You are the man ! I wish you made all the decisions for this site.

You know what? I've had enough of your negativity, passive-aggressive remarks and constant underminining of our work on here.



Just so we're clear: all news is discussed via staff emails or forums. We check on what news we post. El Duque actually said, and I quote, "Looks like a winner to me!" when I asked about the previous news post for approval. We always ask each other to help us out and look over news.

Also, El Duque did not 'let us see the image', TCC did. Via Twitter. That's why we can show it.

Do you know how much time everyone on the staff dedicates to this site, only to be received by the likes of you, spewing uninformed, non-factual, devious comments? How do you think it feels? Do you think we post news in such a way as to piss the fandom off intentionally?

No.

We post it according to what and how the staff self-polices itself, and based on whatever external factors exert their influence on us. Would you rather have a teaser of what's to come, until the holders of the information release it, or none at all? Because that's what would happen if we ignored the requests of those external parties.

So please, please read this carefully: If you can't be bothered to inform yourself, read the whole news post or article and then offer a comment based on the content, rather than the author or your skewered interpretation of it - don't bother. It's become tiring.


As for the figure, I like it! I do agree that some asymmetry would've worked a lot nicely, but this is a cool redeco of a good mold.

Va'al wrote:

Rated X wrote:Edit....special thanks to El Duque for letting us see the image. You are the man ! I wish you made all the decisions for this site.

You know what? I've had enough of your negativity, passive-aggressive remarks and constant underminining of our work on here.

Rated X, that's enough, man. You know us personally from past BotCons. You could easily send us an email or a private message and say "hey man, what's the reason you guys did this or that?" or something personal along those lines instead of taking dibs at the rest of the staff. That's not cool.

Oddly enough, I think we discussed the possibility of this figure being done as Cannonball in the not yet posted Episode 85.

I think...I think my comment was, "They better not..."

^_^"

welcometothedarksyde wrote:Well guys, consider that Cannonball not being a voyager might mean another figure gets that treatment. Plus would you want Cannonball to tower over the other toys in the set? He was kind of a short deluxe in Cybertron

When a relatively recent character gets a 2nd mold, I like to see something different ... mostly a class size change makes me happy because it's fun to see how the same basic robot mode and vehicle mode can be transformed differently (i.e. DOTM Deluxe Optimus Prime and ROTF Leader Class Optimus Prime and TF2007 Voyager Optimus Prime). While this Cannonball figure looks cool, I don't feel like it's doing anything different for me whereas had they used the Voyager Breakdown mold for him, I'd think that would give me something different.

I don't know why we all do this song and dance with these reveals every year. I really wish the club would just show all of the figures at once instead of creating an environment that encourages all of the fans to speculate what can be done for each reveal, which just ends up with disappointed and frustrated fans because it's never as cool as what we've imagined. It seems like the "here they all are" approach would eliminate a lot of negativity (not all of it, because you can't make everyone happy) but it would eliminate all of that initial speculation that leads to disappointment that happens every year.