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Rated X wrote:We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.

No ... you constantly bring up 3rd party. As in just about every topic you're in. It's very frustrating.

Rated X wrote:Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated.

I take it you've never seen Pirates of the Caribbean, John Carter, or any of the other more adult side of Disney. Ever watch anything on ABC? How about ESPN? Guess what ... it's all the same as it was before. What about the Avengers or the rest of Marvel? Your assumptions only show how little you know about how Disney operates and how they've very elegantly handled other companies that they've purchased over the past decade.

Rated X wrote:I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posess the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers?

If they buy Hasbro, of course. Why would it be any different than now?

Rated X wrote:This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy. I dont see Disney investing in anything "classics". And all this talk about Disney being some kind of superpower with the assets to combat 3rd parties is a bunch of B.S. Disney cant take on China. Disney cant even stop the Chinese market from using their own IP, let alone Hasbro's. This merge would spawn the birth of many more G1 inspired 3rd party companies. I really believe it.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are.

Slaughter? No. They did nothing with Marvel, near as I can tell. And The Avengers proves that Disney isn't pussyfooting around. It was dark, it was violent, and there was plenty of humor that went above kid age. Disney just sat back and collected the money.

Transformers has a built in fan base. Very vocal, very angry. We'd riot like crazy if they ripped it apart. Like Seibertron said, you haven't seen John Carter, have you? It was unlike any Disney film I had ever seen. Swearing (God's name in vain, actually, which would've never flown had Walt been alive.), implied sexual contact, death by the boatload, it was your run of the mill sci fi/action film. It was NOT your usual Disney flick.

Plus, Touchstone pictures? Miramax? (which they no longer own) Both of those entities produced some of the most controversial, profane and talked about content in the history of film. Kevin Smith's Dogma? Controversial. Disney owned subsidiary.

You want to own a POPULAR piece of the pie. Why on Earth would anyone buy a property (or properties) only to castrate them and make them absolutely worthless? *BUZZ* They wouldn't. Disney's had some missteps over the years, but outright stupidity? No. Not even close.

As for 3rd party, Disney does have the power. They do have the money. If they really want to push it, they could make China bow down to them and help them smash these 3rd partiers into the ground. And with MakeToys being in Japan and Disney has good relations with the Japanese...well...

I won't count the 3rd parties out just yet, but it would certainly be an uphill battle for them.

Seibertron wrote:

Rated X wrote:We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.

No ... you constantly bring up 3rd party. As in just about every topic you're in. It's very annoying.

Rated X wrote:Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated.

I take it you've never seen Pirates of the Caribbean, John Carter, or any of the other more adult side of Disney. Ever watch anything on ABC? How about ESPN? Guess what ... there are still cheerleaders on Monday night football! What about the Avengers or the rest of Marvel? Your assumptions only show how little you know about how Disney operates and how they've very elegantly handled other companies that they've purchased over the past decade.

Rated X wrote:I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posess the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers?

If they buy Hasbro, of course. Why would it be any different than now?

You got me on the Pirates of the Carribean. Thats about on the PG-13 level. No comment on me being annoying. But I will comment on Disney being very annoying.

I dont see the Transformers G1 continuity a corporate torch to be passed down from CEO to CEO to Mickey Mouse. The Hasbro that "owned" the G1 continuity is dead to me.
Many of those artists, storywriters, and toy designers from the 80's are dead now or in Hospice. I credit them as being the true "owners" of G1. Not the guys who inherited it by corporate affiliation. G1 is bigger than Hasbro or anybody who owns it in writing. It is a legacy that cant be surpressed by a piece of paper in a vault. (or in Mickey's pants)

Anyone can buy something or inherit it by corporate affilation. That doesnt mean they deserve to be credited with it's creation. How many artists and designers from the 80's are still on Hasbros payroll ? Hasbro only owns G1 on paper...

Rated X wrote:This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy.

Okay... this will always boggle the mind to me, but just the fact that it's listed here like some kind of necessity, it begs the question. How, just HOW on Earth is potty humor not only considered "cool" but a vital aspect for something to be good? It isn't anything of the sort. Potty humor being a sign of "maturity", "edginess", and/or "brilliance" is a complete and utter falsehood. It is nothing more than a cheap, uncreative attention grabber of the lowest common denominator, and if it's honestly considered a crucial aspect of G1's "legacy", then I will GLADLY get aboard the Disney bandwagon if it means (however unrealistic the possibility may be) the reduction of that disgraceful characteristic.

Oh gee we get to have this conversation again.... Oh goody

The anti-Disney rants in this thread make me lol.

Seriously ... some of you need help. I'm not saying this to be antagonistic ... i'm saying it because some of you need serious help judging by some of your reactions to a RUMOUR.

It's not the end of YOUR world if the sale goes through, there's plenty of other things in life to obsess over and waste money on.

Rated X wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Rated X wrote:Money cant buy respect. This would be a tremendous boost for the 3rd party movement. I just hope we wont start seeing Disney ads and products get front paged on this site.

Dude you are a one track mind with 3rd party and KO.

But now that you brought it up ... how could this possibly be a boost for the 3rd party movement?

We both have one track minds and opposing views on 3rd parties and KO's.

How would this be a boost for 3rd parties you ask ?

This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy. I dont see Disney investing in anything "classics". And all this talk about Disney being some kind of superpower with the assets to combat 3rd parties is a bunch of B.S. Disney cant take on China. Disney cant even stop the Chinese market from using their own IP, let alone Hasbro's. This merge would spawn the birth of many more G1 inspired 3rd party companies. I really believe it.

I got a question. You have been a tremendous advocate for the new Hasbro and their IP rights. You stand by whoever the torch gets passed to in the Hasbro corporate chain, no matter where they take the brand. All because they posses the copyrights. If this rumor is true, will you become an advocate for Disney and their IP rights to Transformers?

With all respects, but from the purchase and beyond, Marvel Entertainment and everything tied to it was treated as a separate entity. The only time Disney had intervened was with Marvel Studios, and any animated series they chose to create for Disney XD. And during the finalized acquisition of LucasArts, they announced the same policy. This is their image, and their image is to give the fans of any portion of said franchises the best... And they did that by treating any property that does not require them to be there as a separate entity.

Meaning that if or when they acquire Hasbro, you will only see superficial changes be made. Hasbro's policies will stay in tact, and Disney will not put a choke-hold on anything that Hasbro did not see as a threat. This goes for IP, web domains, and legal third-party products. Instead, they will have a chance to sell Transformers: Disney Label toys within their parks. Their influence may help product licensing and placement in North America. And we may finally see an actual, playable Transformers RPG (if not the TCG be translated). But other than that, they will not give third parties that are trying to rip-off the Transformers fanbase a cease and desist. Because as I said before, if they are not a threat, then there is no point of going after them.

I'm sure you are all used to my negativity by now and this is going to be no exception seeing as how I was a Star Wars Fan long before being a Transformer fan and Disney's new venture has just taken the entire Star Wars Expanded Universe, close to 100 books by numerous authors over the last 20 years and effectively flushed it down the sh**er with their plan for the new movie.

I'm not only expecting nothing less if they were to purchase Hasbro (which includes the toys, cartoons, games, movies...EVERYTHING!) but I am actually expecting it to go much MUCH worse.

I'd sooner see Megan Fox do unspeakable things to Michael Bay in the opening scenes of TF4 then let our beloved franchise get cluster-***d by Mickey-@#%$ing-Mouse and his corporate whore legal team.

Burn wrote:The anti-Disney rants in this thread make me lol.

Seriously ... some of you need help. I'm not saying this to be antagonistic ... i'm saying it because some of you need serious help judging by some of your reactions to a RUMOUR.

It's not the end of YOUR world if the sale goes through, there's plenty of other things in life to obsess over and waste money on.

Like carrots?

njb902 wrote:

Burn wrote:The anti-Disney rants in this thread make me lol.

Seriously ... some of you need help. I'm not saying this to be antagonistic ... i'm saying it because some of you need serious help judging by some of your reactions to a RUMOUR.

It's not the end of YOUR world if the sale goes through, there's plenty of other things in life to obsess over and waste money on.

Like carrots?

ewwwwwww

Burn wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Burn wrote:The anti-Disney rants in this thread make me lol.

Seriously ... some of you need help. I'm not saying this to be antagonistic ... i'm saying it because some of you need serious help judging by some of your reactions to a RUMOUR.

It's not the end of YOUR world if the sale goes through, there's plenty of other things in life to obsess over and waste money on.

Like carrots?

ewwwwwww

I second that "ewwwwwww".

If this does indeed happen, I'd be willing to retract my "won't buy it if there's a disney logo" statement if we get some robots that are actually worth buying. There are so very few out now. The only ones that realy interest me in the Prime line are Rumble, Ultra Magnus, Thundertron and FE Optimus.

If I get paid friday I'm definitely heading to my local Toys R Us to see what they have.

Burn wrote:The anti-Disney rants in this thread make me lol.

Seriously ... some of you need help. I'm not saying this to be antagonistic ... i'm saying it because some of you need serious help judging by some of your reactions to a RUMOUR.

It's not the end of YOUR world if the sale goes through, there's plenty of other things in life to obsess over and waste money on.

This. THANK YOU!!!

Now if I could give you a complimentary blanket and pillow for the moments I respond.

A few pages back someone mentioned the prigression of Disney buying Hasbro. Before that Hasbro buying WOTC. and WOTC buying TSR before that.

Well if that's the analogy im in really bad shape. WOrst case scenario. I have hope this isnt going to be too bad of a thing but overall...

TSR used to be great and hot. I havent played TSR games in a long time. It has long since cooled off and lost its creative spark. No one i know plays it or has aasked me to play one of its games. WOTC nought it and it is now bland.

WOTC was mega hot and fun about 15-20 years ago. THere were great "conventions" a la deck competitions and drafts even were fun times with poeple I had never met and havent seen since. It was a lot of fun and I bought a lot of cards for a while. Then it cooled down and I havent bought any except for a couple desperation decks in the past 10 years.

Hasbro bought it and WOTC pretty much ceased to exist for me. It is now really bland and holds a spot in the front of some mega chains. I never catch anyone but myself looking at them. It wsa probably the belgium companies hidden recipe of crack that kept me in there. Musta changed recipes.


now come DIsney a good company sure and has a lot of good properties. Sure it bought Marvel and kudos to them. But what have they done with it creatively but make it bland. No DIsney logo needed it just isnt very appealing.

Avengers was ok but odnt kid yourself on how good it was. In my own opinion it was a lil fun but just ok as a movie. And it was the bleeping Avengers?! It should have been epic. truly epic. I dont even remember what the story led to. it vaguely comes back to me. If I think really really hard about. COnversely I can remember DOTM fairly well and dont have to think hard about it. and it wasnt particularly great. just had things in it I consider worthwhile.


What has DIsney done with all of its brands? What has been striking or defining of an era. Earlier disney periods of my life I can say well that was well done here or there. But at least they had a lot of creative expression flowing out of them. Pixar is pratically carrying Disney on its back just like Adrian Peterson did with Vikings football team this season. But if thats all the effort they get out of their team they are creatively bankrupt. One part of their company will not keep the rest worthwhile and interesting forever.

Im not surprised Disney bought Lucasfilm. Its not like Geroge Lucas would retire and permanently dismatle the company as he retires. SOmeone would have bought it. THe only thing, that I can conclude is that it is the Hasbro family which I think is still involved with some things? that they too are thinking of stepping back and letting someone take over.

It is probably going ot be ok. But I sincerely sincerely hope this doesnt follow the pattern of hasbro buying WOTC who bought TSR.

Good properties come from creativity and innovation not simply writing out a check. Consider the Yankees as a baseball team. They outspend everyone and they can still not play the world seires and soemtimes be mediocre.


We don't have a choice but Im hoping it wont mean Transformers becomes a fad and then is forgotten. Cause it could be good. but it easily could be a watering down of the brand.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy.

Okay... this will always boggle the mind to me, but just the fact that it's listed here like some kind of necessity, it begs the question. How, just HOW on Earth is potty humor not only considered "cool" but a vital aspect for something to be good? It isn't anything of the sort. Potty humor being a sign of "maturity", "edginess", and/or "brilliance" is a complete and utter falsehood. It is nothing more than a cheap, uncreative attention grabber of the lowest common denominator, and if it's honestly considered a crucial aspect of G1's "legacy", then I will GLADLY get aboard the Disney bandwagon if it means (however unrealistic the possibility may be) the reduction of that disgraceful characteristic.

Love it or hate it, potty humor signals the interest in an older fanbase, which is good for all of us. That is unless you want kid friendly shows. And what you see in the shows is what you get in the figures.

Autobot032 wrote:

As for 3rd party, Disney does have the power. They do have the money. If they really want to push it, they could make China bow down to them and help them smash these 3rd partiers into the ground. And with MakeToys being in Japan and Disney has good relations with the Japanese...well...

I won't count the 3rd parties out just yet, but it would certainly be an uphill battle for them.

Disney doesnt have more power than China. Im not even sure our own government does. Thats what were voting for tomorrow. Romney = Outsourcing.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:This is my honest opinion:

Disney has an image to maintain. They would slaughter the franchise. Guns, explosions, violence, potty humor, and everything else remotely cool about the current Micheal Bay franchise would be eliminated. TF Prime would even be dumbed down to match the Disney persona. It would be solely up to 3rd parties to carry on the Transformers G1 legacy.

Okay... this will always boggle the mind to me, but just the fact that it's listed here like some kind of necessity, it begs the question. How, just HOW on Earth is potty humor not only considered "cool" but a vital aspect for something to be good? It isn't anything of the sort. Potty humor being a sign of "maturity", "edginess", and/or "brilliance" is a complete and utter falsehood. It is nothing more than a cheap, uncreative attention grabber of the lowest common denominator, and if it's honestly considered a crucial aspect of G1's "legacy", then I will GLADLY get aboard the Disney bandwagon if it means (however unrealistic the possibility may be) the reduction of that disgraceful characteristic.

Love it or hate it, potty humor signals the interest in an older fanbase, which is good for all of us. That is unless you want kid friendly shows. And what you see in the shows is what you get in the figures.

Potty humor? Seriously!?! It interests a douchebag f-tard fanbase, nothing more.

Rated X wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

As for 3rd party, Disney does have the power. They do have the money. If they really want to push it, they could make China bow down to them and help them smash these 3rd partiers into the ground. And with MakeToys being in Japan and Disney has good relations with the Japanese...well...

I won't count the 3rd parties out just yet, but it would certainly be an uphill battle for them.

Disney doesnt have more power than China. Im not even sure our own government does. Thats what were voting for tomorrow. Romney = Outsourcing.

Do we really need to bring the elction into this. No. I think not, as it has no relevance. Agreed?

Manterax Prime wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

As for 3rd party, Disney does have the power. They do have the money. If they really want to push it, they could make China bow down to them and help them smash these 3rd partiers into the ground. And with MakeToys being in Japan and Disney has good relations with the Japanese...well...

I won't count the 3rd parties out just yet, but it would certainly be an uphill battle for them.

Disney doesnt have more power than China. Im not even sure our own government does. Thats what were voting for tomorrow. Romney = Outsourcing.

Do we really need to bring the elction into this. No. I think not, as it has no relevance. Agreed?

I concur as long as youre not in the group of people that believe Disney has more power than China.

Rated X wrote:

Manterax Prime wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

As for 3rd party, Disney does have the power. They do have the money. If they really want to push it, they could make China bow down to them and help them smash these 3rd partiers into the ground. And with MakeToys being in Japan and Disney has good relations with the Japanese...well...

I won't count the 3rd parties out just yet, but it would certainly be an uphill battle for them.

Disney doesnt have more power than China. Im not even sure our own government does. Thats what were voting for tomorrow. Romney = Outsourcing.

Do we really need to bring the elction into this. No. I think not, as it has no relevance. Agreed?

I concur as long as youre not in the group of people that believe Disney has more power than China.

You do...realize that money is power, right? That corporations run governments more than the people or laws do, right? China THRIVES on our business. If Disney told them to jump, they'd say how high.

And no one brought politics into this until you did. This is not a political discussion. Don't bring it up again.

Why are we getting angry over the prospect of Disney making change within the franchise. Last week we were complaining about the hugely insane prices and small underwhelming figures. It hurts me to see Transformers limping along, I hope Disney effects the franchise massively, overhauling the distribution, quality, focus etc.
What I'm getting at is, can it get much worse? I won't speak for everyone but I haven't seen any deluxes past wave one in any local stores. Even if I did find them I wouldn't buy them because they're 17 dollars. Even if I did buy one I might be disappointed by it. Heck I haven't even seen Botshots wave 3. I sincerely hope that Disney is going to improve the franchise. If having a normal sized 11 dollar deluxe means that there is a huge Mickey Mouse face on it you'll be damned sure that I'm going to buy it and I'm going to love it. Let's cut the melodramatics and hope for the best

Man, Disney is on a roll!!! I wonder if they would by my house. We live in a pretty descent neighborhood, and we've got about 4 years left to pay on the mortgage.

Autobot032 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Manterax Prime wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

As for 3rd party, Disney does have the power. They do have the money. If they really want to push it, they could make China bow down to them and help them smash these 3rd partiers into the ground. And with MakeToys being in Japan and Disney has good relations with the Japanese...well...

I won't count the 3rd parties out just yet, but it would certainly be an uphill battle for them.

Disney doesnt have more power than China. Im not even sure our own government does. Thats what were voting for tomorrow. Romney = Outsourcing.

Do we really need to bring the elction into this. No. I think not, as it has no relevance. Agreed?

I concur as long as youre not in the group of people that believe Disney has more power than China.

You do...realize that money is power, right? That corporations run governments more than the people or laws do, right? China THRIVES on our business. If Disney told them to jump, they'd say how high.

And no one brought politics into this until you did. This is not a political discussion. Don't bring it up again.

When you talk China you are talking politics. All I did was throw in the name of a pawn on the chess board. I dont want a warning, so I will cease all election talk. But until you have traveled to the Asian hemisphere, you have no idea how much power they hold over our economy. Disney is probally one of the few companies left that is completely owned by Americans.

Hopefully if they do buy Hasbro they'll whip them into shape. No more canceling figures and drowning us in Bumblebees.