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#Sideways# wrote:

Maybe they should have used a picture that showed Prime's feet not clipping into the ground.

Not really uncommon in these TF games tho, the feet clip into the ground happen all the time in the games.

noctorro wrote:Boy am I happy that I didn't read the comics.

Which ones?

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.

Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.

I'd join in the fun, if my head wasn't hurting from precalculus right now.

i duno, multiversal singularities can be a a bit of a beast to understand themselves. i would say the calculus and Mult Sings are on the same level, wouldn't you agree Sabrblade? XD

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

No it wouldn't. Both that and SG Optimus Prime go against the very nature of Multiversal Singularities, in that Mult Sings do not and can not have SG counterparts, as it is simply an impossibility.

And Logos Prime is a member of the Multiversal 13, but isn't in the Aligned 13.

treading into speculative head canon territory here but i think i found some easy ways to fix the problems with SG OP and logos. Trion is a bit harder to fix... don't have anything for him yet. what i have for OP and Logos are pretty straight forward.

Thirteen was the member of the original 13, Optimus is just his reincarnation. If one wanted to interpret it this way, Thirteen wanted to live as a "normal" cybertronian and everything that goes with it. so it could be just a mater of the fact that Thirteen was the Mult Sing, but Optimus ISNT.
the act of reincarnation itself stripped him what what it was to be one of the 13. Also regardless of that fact the OP was Thirteen reborn, he still had to EARN his right to be a prime again. This allows SG Optimus to exist without clashing with Thirteen being a Mult Sing.

For Logos Prime, Why couldn't The Liege Maximo BE Logos? isn't it implied that Leige Maximo is just his title? . We don't know too much about Logos other than he was an evil member of the 13. It would be quite easy to just merge the two together and have no real contradictions or consequences.
Logos Prime: The Liege Maximo

Granted this still leave SG Trion as the thorn.

DoctorOblivian wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.

Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.

I'd join in the fun, if my head wasn't hurting from precalculus right now.

i duno, multiversal singularities can be a a bit of a beast to understand themselves. i would say the calculus and Mult Sings are on the same level, wouldn't you agree Sabrblade? XD

Can't say for certain, since I took Trig instead of Calc.

DoctorOblivian wrote:treading into speculative head canon territory here

That's some dangerous territory, there.

DoctorOblivian wrote:Thirteen was the member of the original 13, Optimus is just his reincarnation. If one wanted to interpret it this way, Thirteen wanted to live as a "normal" cybertronian and everything that goes with it. so it could be just a mater of the fact that Thirteen was the Mult Sing, but Optimus ISNT.
the act of reincarnation itself stripped him what what it was to be one of the 13. Also regardless of that fact the OP was Thirteen reborn, he still had to EARN his right to be a prime again. This allows SG Optimus to exist without clashing with Thirteen being a Mult Sing.

The Afterword of the Covenant of Prime book had Alpha Trion clarify that "Optimus Prime" was Thirteen's real name.

Also, though his body was different, present day Optimus displayed that he still had his original Prime nature when he wielded both the powers of both the Forge and the Star Saber. He was a mystical Prime like the 13, whereas a guy like Sentinel Zeta Prime was only a secular Prime with no mystical nature, having been made a Prime through political machination only, rather than any authentic endowment like the Matrix or Primus's power itself. For Optimus, since he already had his original nature locked away within himself, the Matrix simply unlocked that which he requested be hidden away until his time of need came to awaken him.

DoctorOblivian wrote:For Logos Prime, Why couldn't The Liege Maximo BE Logos? isn't it implied that Leige Maximo is just his title? . We don't know too much about Logos other than he was an evil member of the 13. It would be quite easy to just merge the two together and have no real contradictions or consequences.
Logos Prime: The Liege Maximo

I highly doubt that Hirofumi Ichikawa created the character with the intent of it being the same person as Simon Furman's character who was perceived to be his own 13er at the time. Otherwise, I also doubt there was very little stopping Ichikawa from just using Maximo instead of creating the seemingly new character of Logos Prime. So if the two were to be the person, it is very likely that Galaxy Force Soundblaster would have just been Liege Maximo and that we'd have no "Logos Prime" like we do now.

Thirteen was the member of the original 13, Optimus is just his reincarnation. If one wanted to interpret it this way, Thirteen wanted to live as a "normal" cybertronian and everything that goes with it. so it could be just a mater of the fact that Thirteen was the Mult Sing, but Optimus ISNT.
the act of reincarnation itself stripped him what what it was to be one of the 13. Also regardless of that fact the OP was Thirteen reborn, he still had to EARN his right to be a prime again. This allows SG Optimus to exist without clashing with Thirteen being a Mult Sing.

The Afterword of the Covenant of Prime book had Alpha Trion clarify that "Optimus Prime" was Thirteen's real name.

Also, though his body was different, present day Optimus displayed that he still had his original Prime nature when he wielded both the powers of both the Forge and the Star Saber. He was a mystical Prime like the 13, whereas a guy like Sentinel Zeta Prime was only a secular Prime with no mystical nature, having been made a Prime through political machination only, rather than any authentic endowment like the Matrix or Primus's power itself. For Optimus, since he already had his original nature locked away within himself, the Matrix simply unlocked that which he requested be hidden away until his time of need came to awaken him.

ah, didn't know that actually. i haven't been able to get around to getting the covenant yet.

I am cautiously optimistic about this. I haven't liked any of the movie-based games but enjoyed both War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron immensely. The mingling aesthetics tells me there'll be some style clash, some things that don't appeal to me. But the gameplay in the trailer seems very similar, so there's some value there.

If this completely contradicts the Aligned continuity, I welcome it. My preference has always been for the two High Moon games to take place in a micro-continuity rather than try to awkwardly shoehorn in to the Prime cartoon's backstory, and this seems well on its way to being so.

Henry921 wrote:If this completely contradicts the Aligned continuity, I welcome it. My preference has always been for the two High Moon games to take place in a micro-continuity rather than try to awkwardly shoehorn in to the Prime cartoon's backstory, and this seems well on its way to being so.

This always puzzled me. How come people who don't like this always claim that it was the games that were shoehorned into the cartoon's backstory, rather than the cartoon being forced into the games' future? After all, it was the games that came first, not the cartoon.

Sabrblade wrote:This always puzzled me. How come people who don't like this always claim that it was the games that were shoehorned into the cartoon's backstory, rather than the cartoon being forced into the games' future? After all, it was the games that came first, not the cartoon.

That's a fair point.

The feel of War for Cybertron was very G1. It had some movie aesthetics (especially in transformation and weapon design) but felt like it could easily have been a broad adaptation of the G1 origin story, and its ending seemed to set up the Autobots leaving in an ark.

Then Fall of Cybertron adapted in so many of the cartoon's elements that it felt like the game's aesthetics and backstory were being co-opted, whereas the Prime cartoon has always been intentionally vague about the war on Cybertron and only a handful of events (most notably Optimus receiving the Matrix from the core of Cybertron) being referred to in detail. Whereas War for Cybertron stood on its own, Fall felt like it had been altered so it could accommodate the cartoon, whereas the cartoon didn't seem to change in any significant way in its latter two seasons to tie in with the High Moon games.

I'm not happy with this game.

I mean, what was great of the War of/Fall of Cyberrtron games was the fact it's a new universe with a good story and good-looking characters. They gave me what the horrible Michael Bay Movies didn't, and now they have to mix both universes! Pfffff I was waiting for a new game of this series, but if it's like this I'll pass. I don't want to know anything related with Bay's movies.

This universe was great, why they had to ruin it like this...

Mark Blecher wrote:Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark is an arc between the Cybertron and Earth based worlds of this popular franchise. This year marks 30 incredible years of TRANSFORMERS. This game tells another chapter in the TRANSFORMERS story that all fans will love.

Shallow, meaningless words from another suit who doesn't know anything. This strikes me as a quick cash-in to make the most of the two big Transformers events this year by doing a shameless Marvel vs. Capcom style crossover. I can only hope that a true sequel to FoC is in the works at some level. I'll probably end up treating this game like a fart in an interview.

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:If this completely contradicts the Aligned continuity, I welcome it. My preference has always been for the two High Moon games to take place in a micro-continuity rather than try to awkwardly shoehorn in to the Prime cartoon's backstory, and this seems well on its way to being so.

This always puzzled me. How come people who don't like this always claim that it was the games that were shoehorned into the cartoon's backstory, rather than the cartoon being forced into the games' future? After all, it was the games that came first, not the cartoon.

War for Cybertron deluxe Cliffjumper = G1 head

Fall of Cybertron Cliffjumper render = TF Prime head

Thats why?

leakin' lubricant wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:If this completely contradicts the Aligned continuity, I welcome it. My preference has always been for the two High Moon games to take place in a micro-continuity rather than try to awkwardly shoehorn in to the Prime cartoon's backstory, and this seems well on its way to being so.

This always puzzled me. How come people who don't like this always claim that it was the games that were shoehorned into the cartoon's backstory, rather than the cartoon being forced into the games' future? After all, it was the games that came first, not the cartoon.

War for Cybertron deluxe Cliffjumper = G1 head

Fall of Cybertron Cliffjumper render = TF Prime head

Thats why?

Cliffjumnper just likes to try on prototype heads that Ratchet finds is all.

leakin' lubricant wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:If this completely contradicts the Aligned continuity, I welcome it. My preference has always been for the two High Moon games to take place in a micro-continuity rather than try to awkwardly shoehorn in to the Prime cartoon's backstory, and this seems well on its way to being so.

This always puzzled me. How come people who don't like this always claim that it was the games that were shoehorned into the cartoon's backstory, rather than the cartoon being forced into the games' future? After all, it was the games that came first, not the cartoon.

War for Cybertron deluxe Cliffjumper = G1 head

Fall of Cybertron Cliffjumper render = TF Prime head

Thats why?

And what about before FOC came out, huh? People were saying it back then as well.

And the cartoon is just as guilty of taking designs from the games as the FOC was with Cliffjumper's head:

Sabrblade wrote:

leakin' lubricant wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Henry921 wrote:If this completely contradicts the Aligned continuity, I welcome it. My preference has always been for the two High Moon games to take place in a micro-continuity rather than try to awkwardly shoehorn in to the Prime cartoon's backstory, and this seems well on its way to being so.

This always puzzled me. How come people who don't like this always claim that it was the games that were shoehorned into the cartoon's backstory, rather than the cartoon being forced into the games' future? After all, it was the games that came first, not the cartoon.

War for Cybertron deluxe Cliffjumper = G1 head

Fall of Cybertron Cliffjumper render = TF Prime head

Thats why?

And what about before FOC came out, huh? People were saying it back then as well.

And the cartoon is just as guilty of taking designs from the games as the FOC was with Cliffjumper's head:

-Well the dicision would have had to have been made before FoC as it could not have been changed after.

-Seeing as WfC came before Prime and the dicision to align continuities came after WfC then it makes sence that Prime took designs from WfC.

leakin' lubricant wrote:-Well the dicision would have had to have been made before FoC as it could not have been changed after.

-Seeing as WfC came before Prime and the dicision to align continuities came after WfC then it makes sence that Prime took designs for WfC.

Dude, the decision came even before WFC was even made. Hasbro was already putting together the Aligned continuity timeline and chronology even before High Moon Studios approached them about doing a video game. WFC's story was adapted from Hasbro's existing Aligned material in the Binder of Revelation.

Sabrblade wrote:

leakin' lubricant wrote:-Well the dicision would have had to have been made before FoC as it could not have been changed after.

-Seeing as WfC came before Prime and the dicision to align continuities came after WfC then it makes sence that Prime took designs for WfC.

Dude, the decision came even before WFC was even made. Hasbro was already putting together the Aligned continuity timeline and chronology before High Moon Studios approached them about doing a video game. WFC's story was adapted from Hasbro's existing Aligned material in the Binder of Revelation.

I'm not disputing the creative merits of an aligned continuity, or the fact that Hasbro had been planning it for some time, what I dislike is that Hasbro chose to create a series that related to WfC/FoC yet used completley differing aesthetic (which in all honesty was more in keeping with movieverse). This latest game is just Hasbro yet again telling us that two differing Transverses are conected mearly because they want them to be.

Listings for Rise of the Dark Spark found at Target.com
Seibertron has discovered listings on Target.com for upcoming game, Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark. Listings are for PS3 for $49.99, Nintendo 3DS for $29.99, Wii U for $49.99, PS4 for $59.99, Xbox 360 for $49.99, and Xbox One for $59.99. All show available for pre-order, with an in-store availability date of June 24, 2014. The game is still rated as rating pending. Here’s the overview from the listing:

Where two worlds collide!

Explore two unique worlds as your favorite TRANSFORMERS characters from both the movie, TRANSFORMERS: Age of Extinction, and Cybertron universes in a battle to secure an ancient and powerful relic, the Dark Spark!

Game Features:
-GO BEYOND THE MOVIE: For the first time ever, fight your way through both earth and Cybertron universes in an unforgettable battle to secure the Dark Spark.
-OVER 40 PLAYABLE CHARACTERS: Including: OPTIMUS PRIME, BUMBLEBEE and MEAGTRON!
-CHANGE FORM ANYTIME: Switch between robot and vehicle form on the fly!
-EPIC MULTIPLAYER BATTLES: Expanded four-player co-op online escalation mode with new upgradeable defenses and challenging Power Foes!
-NEW UNLOCK SYSTEM: Leveling system spans campaign and escalation, allowing players to unlock rewards that will aid progression in both modes!

Sabrblade wrote:

noctorro wrote:Boy am I happy that I didn't read the comics.

Which ones?

Any from what I read here.

Hopefully they'll add something new (like Bruticus in FOC).

And I'll probably get a ps4 -_-, I always hate first editions of consoles. Buggy as hell.

So are they not going to include competitive multiplayer? All I've read so far is that there would be Campaign and Escalation, but nothing being said about competitive Multiplayer.

I'm not a huge gamer, but I might get this just for the unique-looking story. I'll see what you fine gamers have to say about it 1st, though.

The Gamespot YouTube account has uploaded a new Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark Vignette featuring Optimus Prime. In addition to being able to play as Fall of Cybertron and Age of Extinction Primes there will also be a G1 version. Enjoy the video embedded below. Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark releases on June 24th for all the major gaming platforms.

Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark will merge the Cybertron game universe with the Michael Bay films. And there will be more than one version of Optimus Prime playable, including a long-time fan favorite.

Is it just me or do the graphics of this game look worse then the FoC graphics? Anyway I'm not surprised at all by the release date, seems to be right around where movie games come out.

For those concerned about continuity, the inclusion of G1 Optimus could just be as a bonus feature like how FOC had him as well.

Sabrblade wrote:For those concerned about continuity, the inclusion of G1 Optimus could just be a as bonus feature like how FOC had him as well.

Figured as much, I hope they include more then Optimus G1 though.