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Shadowman wrote:

Autobobby1 wrote:Quick question:

In the PSP retcons, Capcom changes and adds facts/history. Do you think this is because they were lazy in the S/NES days, or are they trying to answer questions and fix plot holes?

Anyway, who says that the original Megaman bots aren't alive in the X series? Zero could've been saved just so that the Wily legacy would live on. Rock, Roll, Forte, and Blues (I'm using Japanese names as civilian names for them) cold just be civilian bots, since they're outdated. Or, Dr. Light could've put them in stasis pods like X. Or maybe their cores ran out of power after a while. Why'd they have to die?

Remember what Zero was like when Sigma first fought him?

Like that. Zero was, technically, the first reploid. (A reploid being any free-thinking robot based on MegaMan X's design) Thus making him unstoppable, at least by MegaMan, Duo, ProtoMan, or Bass.

Not to mention, the only think Wily ever told his machines to do was to kill MegaMan. Zero, essentially being a God amongst Machines, would've wiped the floor with the Blue Bomber.

Then there's the other possibility: X is the original MegaMan, upgraded. That woud NOT make Zero ProtoMan, though, because ProtoMan wasn't "The Last of the Doctor's Creations."

Did they ever say Zero was a Reploid? He can't be anyway cause unless it was revealed in X7, X8, or Maverick Hunter that Zero is based on X, he's just a really powerful humanoid robot. But in a sense I guess he could have been modified into a Reploid, cause Sigma told his guys to take Zero back to Dr. Cain. And is there a technical explanation for what a "Maverick" is?

Also, I beat X5 with Zero a little while ago, and something interests me: Sigma says he met an "old man" who could be considered Zero's father(Wily obviously). Also, it's noted that this old man "told him what to do". Please tell me this is a translation error, cause there is no way Wily could still be alive. Sigma obviously finding an old Wily base and maybe finding notes or a video of the ultimate plan to take over/destroy/desolate the Earth is the only plausible explanation I can think of.

Ah yes, this is the kind of discussion I was hoping for, and that's what puts the X series just slightly ahead of the original series, cause it has an actual storyline and plot with a lot of fun speculation and questions. The original series lacked almost all of this, unfortuneately.

And onto the games, why oh why do they even bother putting in the Gaia/Shadow armor if its impracticle to use??? Yes you can stand on spikes, a big plus, but you can't use special weapons and there are certain jumps that cannot be made with the armor equipped. X6 for example, the final Gate level, which could have been so easy to fix!!!! If it had been split into two leveles instead of just one long one. The Shadow Armor is great for the first part of the level, and decent for fighting High-Max too. But the next part though has that impossible jump.....

Guess that's why I'm so mad at X6, cause it had the potential to be great, but so many little frustrating factors made it terrible.

Duke of Luns wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Autobobby1 wrote:Quick question:

In the PSP retcons, Capcom changes and adds facts/history. Do you think this is because they were lazy in the S/NES days, or are they trying to answer questions and fix plot holes?

Anyway, who says that the original Megaman bots aren't alive in the X series? Zero could've been saved just so that the Wily legacy would live on. Rock, Roll, Forte, and Blues (I'm using Japanese names as civilian names for them) cold just be civilian bots, since they're outdated. Or, Dr. Light could've put them in stasis pods like X. Or maybe their cores ran out of power after a while. Why'd they have to die?

Remember what Zero was like when Sigma first fought him?

Like that. Zero was, technically, the first reploid. (A reploid being any free-thinking robot based on MegaMan X's design) Thus making him unstoppable, at least by MegaMan, Duo, ProtoMan, or Bass.

Not to mention, the only think Wily ever told his machines to do was to kill MegaMan. Zero, essentially being a God amongst Machines, would've wiped the floor with the Blue Bomber.

Then there's the other possibility: X is the original MegaMan, upgraded. That woud NOT make Zero ProtoMan, though, because ProtoMan wasn't "The Last of the Doctor's Creations."

Did they ever say Zero was a Reploid? He can't be anyway cause unless it was revealed in X7, X8, or Maverick Hunter that Zero is based on X, he's just a really powerful humanoid robot. But in a sense I guess he could have been modified into a Reploid, cause Sigma told his guys to take Zero back to Dr. Cain. And is there a technical explanation for what a "Maverick" is?

Also, I beat X5 with Zero a little while ago, and something interests me: Sigma says he met an "old man" who could be considered Zero's father(Wily obviously). Also, it's noted that this old man "told him what to do". Please tell me this is a translation error, cause there is no way Wily could still be alive. Sigma obviously finding an old Wily base and maybe finding notes or a video of the ultimate plan to take over/destroy/desolate the Earth is the only plausible explanation I can think of.

Ah yes, this is the kind of discussion I was hoping for, and that's what puts the X series just slightly ahead of the original series, cause it has an actual storyline and plot with a lot of fun speculation and questions. The original series lacked almost all of this, unfortunately.

Zero had a thing called the Wily Virus that made him evil. He passed it on to Sigma. Then they renamed it the Maverick virus (since it turned reploids maverick) or the Sigma virus (because their leader is Sigma).

Sigma probably just had a vision of Wily that was caused by the virus.

Hmm, that would explain the large number of Maverick Reploids after Sigma went Maverick(such a cool term ).

Maybe that's why Zero said the world would be better off with him dead at the end of X5, cause maybe he figured that if he, the major source of the virus was dead, then perhaps it would decrease a large number of Maverick Reploids.

Still, Zero isn't the cause of everything, cause there are mavericks here and there, and that was probably caused by programming errors, or something else like a big hit to the head or something.

Duke of Luns wrote:Maybe that's why Zero said the world would be better off with him dead at the end of X5, cause maybe he figured that if he, the major source of the virus was dead, then perhaps it would decrease a large number of Maverick Reploids.

Zero started it, but Sigma was the one who spread it. Soon after he lost the virus, he became a Maverick Hunter.

Duke of Luns wrote:Did they ever say Zero was a Reploid? He can't be anyway cause unless it was revealed in X7, X8, or Maverick Hunter that Zero is based on X, he's just a really powerful humanoid robot.

As far as I'm concerned, and reploid is a free-thinking andriod based on the design of MegaMan X.

Wily based Zero on the design of MegaMan X.

Therefore, Zero is a reploid.

Shadowman wrote:As far as I'm concerned, and reploid is a free-thinking andriod based on the design of MegaMan X.

Wily based Zero on the design of MegaMan X.

Therefore, Zero is a reploid.

IIRC that is how reploids are described in the manual for the first X game, X was a new type of robot that actually had free will rather than the simulated almost free will of the original series.

Reploids were Machines that had true free will like X, but were loosely based on his design. In fact IIRC Dr. Cain said he fully didn't understand lights notes so they are actually quite different from Light's design. How closely Wily followed Light's plans is up to debate.

As for the Mavericks that appeared before Zero's activation. It is possible that they truly hated humans freely as they have free will and except for the fact that they are machines are no different from humans. It is also possible Zero had been spreading the virus for a long time before he was active.

Shadowman wrote:Wily based Zero on the design of MegaMan X.

That's just a theory. But, it's the theory that most fans accept.

I mean, it's really plausible. Wily steals Light's designs (and designs by other scientists) all the time. He's pretty freaking lazy.

MM1: All of the robot masters were built by Dr. Light and reprogrammed by Wily.
MM2: Capcom has stated that many of the robot masters in MM2 were based off of the original RMs' designs. Crash Man is based off of Bomb Man, Metal Man is based off of Cut Man, Quick Man is based off of Elec Man, etc.
MM4: Wily reprogrammed the Cossack bots.
MM6: Wily reprogrammed the robots from the tournament.
MM7: Wily stole the Rush Power Adaptor design from Light for Bass.
MM&B: Wily reprogrammed civilian robot masters.
MM Arcade Series: Wily sent various old robot masters instead of building new ones.

On a different topic, it's pretty scary that Wily, one of the most evil humans up until Weil, could build a badass like Zero. I mean, come on! He's the second most powerful character in the WHOLE FREAKING CONTINUITY!

While it is never said Wily used X's plans to build Zero, I believe it has been mentioned that his construction was similar to X's like other reploids.

Wow, cool... Mega Man discussion.

I do wish the franchise would go back to some of the earlier stuff. I don't begrudge the newer stuff to people who want it, but I'd really like to see them, y'know, FINISH some of the stories. It's been ten years since Mega Man 8, and I strongly suspect the classic series will get no more sequels(regardless of if you count Mega Man and Bass). Maybe there's a trend of stopping at 8 for all the series... but that means we should get 6 more Legends games.

I'll actually be weird and say Command Mission is my favorite game, because I love the way it expanded the Mega Man X universe. Plus, Marino is awesome. You also have to love Mark Gatha as X(but then again, I'm also a G Gundam nerd, and loved him as Domon, especially as the series went on).

As far as favorite bosses... I used to go by the nick Slashman online, but that went by the wayside when questions I got kept getting weirder and weirder. Still, he's a cool character. Shademan and Fireman are great classic characters. And you can't beat Storm Eagle in the X series.

Cool to see a few Transfans are also MM fans.

KoH4711 wrote:Wow, cool... Mega Man discussion.

I do wish the franchise would go back to some of the earlier stuff. I don't begrudge the newer stuff to people who want it, but I'd really like to see them, y'know, FINISH some of the stories. It's been ten years since Mega Man 8, and I strongly suspect the classic series will get no more sequels(regardless of if you count Mega Man and Bass). Maybe there's a trend of stopping at 8 for all the series... but that means we should get 6 more Legends games.

I'll actually be weird and say Command Mission is my favorite game, because I love the way it expanded the Mega Man X universe. Plus, Marino is awesome. You also have to love Mark Gatha as X(but then again, I'm also a G Gundam nerd, and loved him as Domon, especially as the series went on).

As far as favorite bosses... I used to go by the nick Slashman online, but that went by the wayside when questions I got kept getting weirder and weirder. Still, he's a cool character. Shademan and Fireman are great classic characters. And you can't beat Storm Eagle in the X series.

Cool to see a few Transfans are also MM fans.

MegaMan X8 and MegaMan X: Command Mission will go down as the only MegaMan games with decent voice acting.

Screw you, MegaMan X4!

KoH4711 wrote:Maybe there's a trend of stopping at 8 for all the series... but that means we should get 6 more Legends games.

There is no trend. Legends ended at 2, Battle Network ended at 6, and Zero ended at 4.

X4 at least had much better voice acting than MM 8. Of course, 8 didn't really have that much voice acting/story in comparison. At least in Zero's case, X's story stunk in X4. Actually, I think Capcom just kinda didn't care about X after X4, cause it's a lot more fun(and in some cases a bit easier) to be Zero in X4-X6.

Haven't gotten X7 or X8 yet, mostly cause I kinda got a little burned out on the X Collection, so I don't know if it's still more fun to play as Zero than X in them.

One thing I was wondering, does Zero's ending in X6 tie into the MM Zero games(haven't played any of those), cause they mention an exact date he was supposed to wake up, and that's 100 years later, which of course is when Zero is supposed to take place if I'm not mistaken.

KoH4711 wrote:You also have to love Mark Gatha as X.

Damn straight. He is X. Period. His work in Maverick Hunter X was superb.

Nightwatcher wrote:

KoH4711 wrote:You also have to love Mark Gatha as X.

Damn straight. He is X. Period. His work in Maverick Hunter X was superb.

Mark Gatha kicks ass at most of the stuff he does. Especially X.

Ah, my bad as far as the end of the handheld series... I've not really kept up with them, as I don't really do any handheld gaming.

I really wish they'd done more than the one X animated segment. That's a series that could lend itself to a good animation adaptation(then again, I remember the Ruby-Spears cartoon, so maybe I shouldn't wish such a horrid fate upon it).

BUMP.

Well, if they handle it like The Day of Sigma, we could have some awesome, Toonami-level Megaman X anime. I mean, the series packs so much story that the plot of TDoS could have been made into several episodes. That would be one awesome show, and I even considered sending a letter to Capcom saying that an X series show would be awesome. Then I realized that they wouldn't listen to my suggestion since they would have made it a series already if the wanted to.

Anyway, we're approaching the release of ZX Advent and Star Force here in the States. ZXA is coming in October, I believe, and Star Force comes out in August. Anybody looking forward to these new games?

And here's a question:
Do you think that the ZX series will keep changing characters, or will they settle with the characters of Advent?

TheMuffin wrote:

KoH4711 wrote:You also have to love Mark Gatha as X.

Damn straight. He is X. Period. His work in Maverick Hunter X was superb.

Indeed. I love his dialog right before the last fight with Sigma. When he says," I WILL DEFEAT YOU SIGMA!!!!" It gets me pumped & ready to take names & kick ass....& throw in a couple of "Woohoo!!"s.

Anywho....favorite games....

Probably MM2, MMX, MM4, both PSP games, & oddly enough, Network Transmission.

As far as story's concerned....I try not to think about it....it makes my head hurt.

Network Transmission is great! Don't let anybody tell you otherwise!

Autobobby1 wrote:Network Transmission is great! Don't let anybody tell you otherwise!

The only real problem I ever had with it was the main area of the game that you have to naviate through to get to the individual "boss" areas.....but it was just because it was all interconnected & confusing. Personally I would have perferred it to be a bit more linear like the classic & X series are. Other than that, it was pretty good.

Megaman 2, Zero 4, Legends, and the first Battle Network are probably my favs.

As for X7, avoid it like the plague. It makes X6 look like a masterpiece.

Duke of Luns wrote:Haven't gotten X7 or X8 yet, mostly cause I kinda got a little burned out on the X Collection, so I don't know if it's still more fun to play as Zero than X in them.

Hell, IIRC in at least one of them(it's been a while since I've played the PS2 games) X isn't even a main character...more like a bonus unlockable one. Other than that you just play as Axl & Zero. I mean seriously, what's the point of calling the game Mega Man X when Mega Man X isn't the focus of the game? They should have called it Mega Man Axl.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:Haven't gotten X7 or X8 yet, mostly cause I kinda got a little burned out on the X Collection, so I don't know if it's still more fun to play as Zero than X in them.

Hell, IIRC in at least one of them(it's been a while since I've played the PS2 games) X isn't even a main character...more like a bonus unlockable one. Other than that you just play as Axl & Zero. I mean seriously, what's the point of calling the game Mega Man X when Mega Man X isn't the focus of the game? They should have called it Mega Man Axl.

That would be X7.

X8 had a slight sweetness to it, partially because you could once again play as X from the start. Also, it had good voice acting, something which MegaMan never experienced before.

Shadowman wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:Haven't gotten X7 or X8 yet, mostly cause I kinda got a little burned out on the X Collection, so I don't know if it's still more fun to play as Zero than X in them.

Hell, IIRC in at least one of them(it's been a while since I've played the PS2 games) X isn't even a main character...more like a bonus unlockable one. Other than that you just play as Axl & Zero. I mean seriously, what's the point of calling the game Mega Man X when Mega Man X isn't the focus of the game? They should have called it Mega Man Axl.

That would be X7.

X8 had a slight sweetness to it, partially because you could once again play as X from the start. Also, it had good voice acting, something which MegaMan never experienced before.

One thing to me that is kinda weird about the guy voicing X.....every time I hear his voice I think of his "This hand of mine is burning red" line from G Gundam.

It's really great in Maverick Hunter X since he calls out his attacks before using your secondary weapons.

"This hand of mine is burning red.....it's loud roar tells me to grasp victory!! STORM TORNADO!!!"
*awe*

X7 was completely bad, even the story. Basically, X went all emo again (NO! I refuse to fight! Why do we have to fight? I AM A REPLOID MURDERER! WAAAAAAHHH!!!) to the point of running away from home. Then Axl and Zero have half of a "totally amazing adventure!!!" and then X snaps out of his emo mood and helps fight once again. As if he wasn't whiny enough, X had to run away from home like a whiny little brat. Lame.

The gameplay sucked, too. Whoever suggested 3D should be fired.

On a lighter note, Star Force and ZX Advent come out this fall for the DS. Anybody looking forward to them?

Autobobby1 wrote:X7 was completely bad, even the story. Basically, X went all emo again (NO! I refuse to fight! Why do we have to fight? I AM A REPLOID MURDERER! WAAAAAAHHH!!!) to the point of running away from home. Then Axl and Zero have half of a "totally amazing adventure!!!" and then X snaps out of his emo mood and helps fight once again. As if he wasn't whiny enough, X had to run away from home like a whiny little brat. Lame.

The gameplay sucked, too. Whoever suggested 3D should be fired.

On a lighter note, Star Force and ZX Advent come out this fall for the DS. Anybody looking forward to them?

OH YEAH Especially Star Force. I love the MM:BN series. I'm a bit less interested in ZXA, cuz so far ZX was just like the Zero series, gameplay wise. Hopefully, they change it up a bit. I wanna see the story's progression though. I'm interested to see this lead in to Legends.

Any word on when the RM:PM book is coming stateside? I heard it was supposed to, it was even on Amazon.