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Sabrblade wrote:You need to. The stories of the books are very different from those of the games, and the Prime cartoon seems to tie in more with the books than with the games.

Believe it or not, that's not encouraging me to want to read them, LOL. If the reverse were true (more game friendly) than I would be inclined. It's not that I don't like Prime, but I'm more interested in games. And since it's my college major, it helps if I sort-of focus on games for school, lol.

Sabrblade wrote:Hmm, off the top of my head, I can't recall Exodus talking of larger TFs during the pre-war times (Unicron's attack --> the War of the Primes --> the Age of Wrath --> the Golden Age --> the rise of the caste system --> the war). Though, during the Golden Age, Bruticus Maximus was created by Shockwave as the first gestalt, but his combined form proved too unstable and was put into stasis. He did not resurface until later in the war, which he took part in as an active living combatant.

Other combiners, the Devastators and Defensor, did not show up until during the war.

Based on the images that [aesthetically] remind me immediately of Omega, but even bigger, I'm inclined to think not of Gestalts, but primarily City-formers at this point. Granted I haven't seen a gestalt for this continuity yet so I don't have a full data stream to pull from for that decision. It also dredges up what part Metroplex might have in the game though, considering how large they look in the images in the Rust Sea / Sea of Rust (initially I was more supportive of calling the thing in that image Fort Max, but apparently Metroplex is mentioned in the Mag, so I'll stick with it....for now, *evil laugh*).
I would then be inclined to think that Shockwave would create the gestalts as a call back to their former glory as Cybertronians; his attempts at once again reaching whatever pinnacle they were at and now apparently don't have full records of anymore. *shrug*

NatsumeRyu wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:You need to. The stories of the books are very different from those of the games, and the Prime cartoon seems to tie in more with the books than with the games.

Believe it or not, that's not encouraging me to want to read them, LOL. If the reverse were true (more game friendly) than I would be inclined. It's not that I don't like Prime, but I'm more interested in games. And since it's my college major, it helps if I sort-of focus on games for school, lol.

Well, I'm just saying, if ya want the full story, the books are the way to go. Compared to Exodus, WFC's story was pretty bare-boned.

NatsumeRyu wrote:I would then be inclined to think that Shockwave would create the gestalts as a call back to their former glory as Cybertronians; his attempts at once again reaching whatever pinnacle they were at and now apparently don't have full records of anymore. *shrug*

Nah, Shocky ain't that deep. He experiments for sadistic and sinister purposes, rather than for philosophical reasons.

Sabrblade wrote:The Illustrated Tour Of Cybertron

Cybertron, Iacon, Sea of Rust, Space Bridge, Insecticon Invasion, Shockwave's Lair, Kaon, the Nemesis, the Ark, Teletran.

Of note, the Nemesis looks very faithful to its look in the Prime cartoon.

Here's the problem with that. WfC had a big gallery of art that looked like that. Not exactly, mind you, but the same style, incredibly impressive landscapes and such. And very, very little of it ended up being used to make anything in the game. While it looks beautiful (And some of them are screenshots rather than art) keep in mind that it's highly unlikely this is what the game will look like.

Hmm.. that first pic at the top of the Illustrated Tour looks like it could be their version of Metroplex carrying Trypticon...

I do like their new take on the mythology.

Teaser trailer: EPIC. Artwork: AWESOME.

I can't wait for the game. When it's released, I will spent next few weeks playing it 24/7.

Shadowman wrote:Here's the problem with that. WfC had a big gallery of art that looked like that. Not exactly, mind you, but the same style, incredibly impressive landscapes and such. And very, very little of it ended up being used to make anything in the game. While it looks beautiful (And some of them are screenshots rather than art) keep in mind that it's highly unlikely this is what the game will look like.

Sadly, I have to agree. As much as the artwork kicks ass in lots of places, its probably best to base the game on the actual rendered pics. I like the colours in the lighting, but I hope we get the same variety (in colour and level complexity) as shown from some of the more ground based environments concepts.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Here's the problem with that. WfC had a big gallery of art that looked like that. Not exactly, mind you, but the same style, incredibly impressive landscapes and such. And very, very little of it ended up being used to make anything in the game. While it looks beautiful (And some of them are screenshots rather than art) keep in mind that it's highly unlikely this is what the game will look like.

Sadly, I have to agree. As much as the artwork kicks ass in lots of places, its probably best to base the game on the actual rendered pics. I like the colours in the lighting, but I hope we get the same variety (in colour and level complexity) as shown from some of the more ground based environments concepts.

I don't mind that it won't be the exact same. I'm glad they are doing such a good job with the franchise and using these images as references for what they are doing.

I wonder if this game will be based on the G1 cartoon continuity or the Prime continuity? I really hope Grimlock is liek his cartoon self?

And before anyway says they're not the same continuity, go back and play the first game again, because it was undeniably made with the 80's cartoon in mind.

Starscream GaGa wrote:I wonder if this game will be based on the G1 cartoon continuity or the Prime continuity? I really hope Grimlock is liek his cartoon self?

And before anyway says they're not the same continuity, go back and play the first game again, because it was undeniably made with the 80's cartoon in mind.

That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

Starscream GaGa wrote:I wonder if this game will be based on the G1 cartoon continuity or the Prime continuity? I really hope Grimlock is like his cartoon self?

Prime continuity. But Grimlock is dimwitted like G1 cartoon Grimlock.

Starscream GaGa wrote:And before anyway says they're not the same continuity, go back and play the first game again, because it was undeniably made with the 80's cartoon in mind.

I have. And it's undeniable that those are just homages and that the WFC is completely irreconcilable with the G1 cartoon. I got proof.

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

Looking like G1 =/= G1. Animated and the Movies both had some heavily G1-inspired character designs (and even some G1 voice veterans), but they aren't G1 either.

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

We've been over this already. Grimlock is the finishing move here, too. He can't exist on Cybertron if Wheeljack built him on Earth in the present day, can he?

And, as Sabrblade said, looking like G1 does not make it G1. Because Animated is designed to be one homage after another, and Beast Wars looks nothing like G1.

Shadowman wrote:Here's the problem with that. WfC had a big gallery of art that looked like that. Not exactly, mind you, but the same style, incredibly impressive landscapes and such. And very, very little of it ended up being used to make anything in the game. While it looks beautiful (And some of them are screenshots rather than art) keep in mind that it's highly unlikely this is what the game will look like.

Can you link me to the gallery, so I can argue against your point?

NatsumeRyu wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Here's the problem with that. WfC had a big gallery of art that looked like that. Not exactly, mind you, but the same style, incredibly impressive landscapes and such. And very, very little of it ended up being used to make anything in the game. While it looks beautiful (And some of them are screenshots rather than art) keep in mind that it's highly unlikely this is what the game will look like.

Can you link me to the gallery, so I can argue against your point?

It's in the game itself, in the Extras section.

I can't wait 'till I see Metroplex

Shadowman wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

We've been over this already. Grimlock is the finishing move here, too. He can't exist on Cybertron if Wheeljack built him on Earth in the present day, can he?

And, as Sabrblade said, looking like G1 does not make it G1. Because Animated is designed to be one homage after another, and Beast Wars looks nothing like G1.

Marvel G1 Comics, they were on the ark with the other Autobots and awoken by teletran-1 to stop Shockwave.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

We've been over this already. Grimlock is the finishing move here, too. He can't exist on Cybertron if Wheeljack built him on Earth in the present day, can he?

And, as Sabrblade said, looking like G1 does not make it G1. Because Animated is designed to be one homage after another, and Beast Wars looks nothing like G1.

Marvel G1 Comics, they were on the ark with the other Autobots and awoken by teletran-1 to stop Shockwave.

Yeah, but everyone is always saying it's supposed to be a prequel to the G1 Cartoon. In any case, there's too many inconsistencies either way, and it doesn't fit with the cartoon or comics.

Shadowman wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

wigglez323 wrote:That's what I said. Everybody says it's soposed to go into Prime. But I personally think it goes into G1 because of the fact that everybody looks like G1. I don't even like prime anyway.

We've been over this already. Grimlock is the finishing move here, too. He can't exist on Cybertron if Wheeljack built him on Earth in the present day, can he?

And, as Sabrblade said, looking like G1 does not make it G1. Because Animated is designed to be one homage after another, and Beast Wars looks nothing like G1.

Marvel G1 Comics, they were on the ark with the other Autobots and awoken by teletran-1 to stop Shockwave.

Yeah, but everyone is always saying it's supposed to be a prequel to the G1 Cartoon. In any case, there's too many inconsistencies either way, and it doesn't fit with the cartoon or comics.

Poor WFC doesn't fit in anywhere. Has to eat his lunch with the janitor at school.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Poor WFC doesn't fit in anywhere. Has to eat his lunch with the janitor at school.

Aligned is a about as much of a mess as G1 was. WfC/FoC, Exodus/Exiles, and TFP all barely fit in with each other. I'll chalk it up to miscommunication, the people working on all three pieces not working together. They've only recently been patching it all together, like Ratchet retelling bits of Exodus in TFP, or FoC Cliffjumper integrating parts of his TFP design.

It definitely feels like putting WFC within the TF:Prime continuity was an after thought. I remember reading promo material about WFC (well before TF Prime had even been mentioned) saying how we would, for the first time, get the true history of the Transformers before they came to Earth. We would get the chance to experience the TF civil war. It all alluded to being the beginnings of the G1 continuity. I also don't believe that the character designs were just meant to be homages to G1 characters - I honestly believe that this was meant to be an updated retelling of the G1 continuity (like IDW did with the "-ation" series) and that's what the designers went into the game basing it on - "We're doing G1! Booyah!".

THEN I think Hasbro came in (after the game had started to be made)and went: "Well, we're starting a new continuity called TF: Prime which is kinda a cross of Bayverse, G1 and a bit of Animated and we really want to market that... so... we're going to say that everything from here on out is in that continuity. Oh, and that game you've been working on and obviously basing on G1? Yeah, that's now Prime continuity too. Anyone got a sturdy shoehorn? You're gonna need it. Any sequels? Yeah, you're gonna have to start throwing in obvious TF; Prime stuff for those." (Like Cliffjumper's head design in the latest promo stuff.)

I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

Shadowman wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Poor WFC doesn't fit in anywhere. Has to eat his lunch with the janitor at school.

Aligned is a about as much of a mess as G1 was. WfC/FoC, Exodus/Exiles, and TFP all barely fit in with each other. I'll chalk it up to miscommunication, the people working on all three pieces not working together. They've only recently been patching it all together, like Ratchet retelling bits of Exodus in TFP, or FoC Cliffjumper integrating parts of his TFP design.

The only way they could get everything to work is if Hasbro sweeps everything aside and starts over at ground zero; they would then have to actively monitor all media regarding their property which is something they've never wanted to do.

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

If it was a prequel to G1, then the developers skipped a loooot of episodes. Like Fire in the Sky, War Dawn, The Key to Vector Sigma, etc.

Also, Matt Tieger is a pathological liar. So even if he said WfC was meant to be a prequel to G1, he also said a lot of things that never came to pass.

Shadowman wrote:

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

If it was a prequel to G1, then the developers skipped a loooot of episodes. Like Fire in the Sky, War Dawn, The Key to Vector Sigma, etc.

Also, Matt Tieger is a pathological liar. So even if he said WfC was meant to be a prequel to G1, he also said a lot of things that never came to pass.

Tell us how you really feel about Matt Tieger Shadowman.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

If it was a prequel to G1, then the developers skipped a loooot of episodes. Like Fire in the Sky, War Dawn, The Key to Vector Sigma, etc.

Also, Matt Tieger is a pathological liar. So even if he said WfC was meant to be a prequel to G1, he also said a lot of things that never came to pass.

Tell us how you really feel about Matt Tieger Shadowman.

All in all, no matter what anyone at High Moon says, I won't believe it until I actually play the game.

Shadowman wrote:

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

If it was a prequel to G1, then the developers skipped a loooot of episodes. Like Fire in the Sky, War Dawn, The Key to Vector Sigma, etc.

Also, Matt Tieger is a pathological liar. So even if he said WfC was meant to be a prequel to G1, he also said a lot of things that never came to pass.

I meant that it was probably a re-booting/imagining of the G1 continuity (ala IDW "-ation" series) which would mean: same characters, same general history, but not tied down to anything specific (cartoon episodes, comic storylines, etc).

lowman_x wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

lowman_x wrote:I think that's where the main confusion is coming from because, even though we're being told the game is not G1 continuity, I think it's obvious enough that it was originally meant to be.

If it was a prequel to G1, then the developers skipped a loooot of episodes. Like Fire in the Sky, War Dawn, The Key to Vector Sigma, etc.

Also, Matt Tieger is a pathological liar. So even if he said WfC was meant to be a prequel to G1, he also said a lot of things that never came to pass.

I meant that it was probably a re-booting/imagining of the G1 continuity (ala IDW "-ation" series) which would mean: same characters, same general history, but not tied down to anything specific (cartoon episodes, comic storylines, etc).

In which case they may as well just call it a new continuity altogether. Animated was the same way, the designs were much closer to G1, and they loved tossing out homages. Hell, the first shots of the show were re-used G1 footage! But no one calls it a new version of G1.