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Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:02 pm**

Great list. I agree with most of them.

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Appart Energon Sharkticon, Cybertron Soundwave is also good, despite the backpack flaw. It also come with a nice exclusive Lazerbeak minicon. Mine is in storage due to lack of space.

cybertron Soundwave is not a cybertronian based air vehicle. Its very much earth based. He's close to a Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk.

Cybertron Unicron, is not even an air vehicle. His is decidedly a land vehicle, with treads and wheels.
A Cybetronian Land vehicle, but a land vehicle.

Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:49 pm**

Great lost with some excellent suggestions. I was always partial to G1 Strafe. The Decepticon Targetmaster Misfire is another that I really like with a Cybertronian flying vehicle kind of alt mode.

Can't argue them over what you have though. Nice job man!

Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:37 pm**

Overcracker wrote:cybertron Soundwave is not a cybertronian based air vehicle. Its very much earth based. He's close to a Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk.

A lot of Cybertronian alt modes are based loosely on real world aircraft, but nobody will mistake Cybertron Soundwave for something that came from Earth. Though technically he's a Planet X alt mode.

That said, to be entirely honest that alt mode is probably my least favorite of the entire AEC. It's much too haphazard and slapped together and not worth the sacrifices the bot mode had to make for it (legs that want to bend the wrong way and hefty arm kibble). Still didn't stop me from picking up Blaster.

Speaking of AEC, as nice as the Cybertron Starscream mold is, for me the Armada mold is better, knees be damned. I went out of my way to get all five and I'm doing it again with the Generation remake. It's such a fun and different design, brilliant in its simplicity. And then whatever shortcomings it might have had were improved upon by the Jhiaxus remold.

But going back to G1 my real favorite there was Brainstorm. Something about him just clicked for me. From the way he tapers off from end to end to the way the guns blend in as a part of the alt mode like few other figures of the time. Having a working cockpit with a little figure to put inside is what sets him apart from most other Cybertronian alt mode fliers. I've got both the G1 version and the Generations version and can't wait for the Titans Return version it's going to be amazing!

Emerje

Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:50 pm**

Honestly, there's way more cool-looking Cybertronian jets out there like Cybertron Megatron/Galvatron, 2007 Movie Megatron, G1 Brainstorm, RID Megatron, Prime Megatron, FOC Starscream, Fortress Maximus, and Beast Wars Optimal Optimus. 8-)

(Mind-blowing :michaelbay:

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Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:55 pm**

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:2007 Movie Megatron

No, not for Will anyways.

:MAXIMAL:

Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:30 pm**

its funny how the list forgets one of the most obvious characters that would have easily made the top five like Jetfire G1 or generations or even unicron trilogy :???:

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:20 am**

Ultra Markus wrote:its funny how the list forgets one of the most obvious characters that would have easily made the top five like Jetfire G1 or generations or even unicron trilogy

G1 Jetfire\Macross Valkyrie is based off an F-14 Tomcat. Which is a real plane

Great list Will - I'll chime in later with my own once I've gathered all the pics

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:21 am**

Problem with jetfire is that all baring his energon incarnation are based off earth vehicles. His cartoon model doesn't count as that never got a toy.

Optimal optimus@ some of the ones you listed have multiple modes though and the ones that would qualify for this list aren't that iconic. Like rid/carrobots megatron/gigatron, yeah he has a jet mode but his iconic mode is either his beast or his giant hand mode.

The movie megs aren't exactly the best looking either.

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:29 am**

Overcracker wrote:
Cybertron Unicron, is not even an air vehicle. His is decidedly a land vehicle, with treads and wheels.
A Cybetronian Land vehicle, but a land vehicle.

Thanks for rectifying that for me. I was just throwing some ideas out stream of conscious style and forgot about those treads he has. He wouldnt have made any list though. Not a bad toy but not a toy I would label best. Interesting alt mode though.

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:2007 Movie Megatron

No, not for Will anyways.

Also, he's already appeared on enough lists already

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/top-5-worst-cases-of-visible-head-syndrome-among-transformers-toys/33569/

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/top-5-most-indistinguishable-alt-modes-among-transformers-toys/34869/

Tigertrack wrote:Great list with some excellent suggestions. I was always partial to G1 Strafe. The Decepticon Targetmaster Misfire is another that I really like with a Cybertronian flying vehicle kind of alt mode.

Can't argue them over what you have though. Nice job man!

That means a lot, thanks man!

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:01 am**

Emerje wrote:
Overcracker wrote:cybertron Soundwave is not a cybertronian based air vehicle. Its very much earth based. He's close to a Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk.

A lot of Cybertronian alt modes are based loosely on real world aircraft, but nobody will mistake Cybertron Soundwave for something that came from Earth. Though technically he's a Planet X alt mode.

By definition if they are based on earth vehicles at all, then they can't count as Cybertronian.

As per your examples, Brainstorm is not based on anything you can find on earth. Cybertron Soundwave is based on an existing earth jet, therefore not cybertronian.

It would be like saying Movie Starscream is cybertronian. He's an f-22 Raptor, with robot kibble not found on normal F-22s. Cybertron Soundwave, is a Stealth Bomber with some robot kibble not found on normal Stealth Bombers but is still very much earth based.

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:46 pm**

Amelie wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:its funny how the list forgets one of the most obvious characters that would have easily made the top five like Jetfire G1 or generations or even unicron trilogy

G1 Jetfire\Macross Valkyrie is based off an F-14 Tomcat. Which is a real plane

Great list Will - I'll chime in later with my own once I've gathered all the pics

uh no he is not! sure they used the robectech toy for his release but he is supposed to be a cybertronian jet >:oP

and also the only similar aspect of a F-14 Tomcat is the wings so its not really based of anything so again i say Jetfire was supposed to be there

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:58 pm**

But there isn't a toy of skyfire and the classics version still takes enough cues to look like a futuristic alt mode not cybertonian

Posted: **Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:20 pm**

Ultra Markus wrote:uh no he is not! sure they used the robectech toy for his release but he is supposed to be a cybertronian jet and also the only similar aspect of a F-14 Tomcat is the wings so its not really based of anything so again i say Jetfire was supposed to be there

Large parts of the fuselage is also inspired by the Tomcat. Whilst the fiction for Jetfire states he is a Cybertronian Jet - the actual toy itself is clearly very similar to real-world jets, similar to Cybertron Soundwave (see above). He's a great toy, however ;)^

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:11 am**

Cybertronian vehicles have to be loosely based on something from Earth or it will look like a bunch of junk to us.

(See: Prime Megatron)

:MAXIMAL:

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:41 am**

I've always liked G1 Cyclonus, Scourge and Springer

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:35 am**

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Cybertronian vehicles have to be loosely based on something from Earth or it will look like a bunch of junk to us.

I don't really agree with that at all... Loads of very cool designs have come out of throwing out the rule-book.

G1 Scourge

G1 Bomb-Burst (and a whole bunch of other flying Pretenders)

Fall Of Cybertron Air-Raid

Fall Of Cybetron Blast-Off

RotF Soundwave

Its all down to personal taste ;)^

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:58 am**

Amelie wrote:
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Cybertronian vehicles have to be loosely based on something from Earth or it will look like a bunch of junk to us.

I don't really agree with that at all... Loads of very cool designs have come out of throwing out the rule-book.

[Bunch of cool images to show a bunch of other examples we didn't mention yet]

And you know there is also...the examples found in my list... right?

But yeah, a big factor in what I chose for this list is that these should look otherwordly without being lazy. Vector Prime would be the best example of this. He isn't based on anything related to earth, which I described in the article.

And its why I didnt even think og figures like G1 Jetfire, they werent otherworldy enough for a list where I try to show the potential of exploring a cybertronian aesthetic.

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:03 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Amelie wrote:
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Cybertronian vehicles have to be loosely based on something from Earth or it will look like a bunch of junk to us.

I don't really agree with that at all... Loads of very cool designs have come out of throwing out the rule-book.

[Bunch of cool images to show a bunch of other examples we didn't mention yet]

And you know there is also...the examples found in my list... right?

But yeah, a big factor in what I chose for this list is that these should look otherwordly without being lazy. Vector Prime would be the best example of this. He isn't based on anything related to earth, which I described in the article.

And its why I didnt even think og figures like G1 Jetfire, they werent otherworldy enough for a list where I try to show the potential of exploring a cybertronian aesthetic.

Exactly. Cybertronian can be otherwordly without looking like a pile of parts. i.e Movie Fallen, and without looking like something you would find on earth.

We are of course limited by what we know as aircraft general features to be able to call it an aircraft. They need to have some types of protrusions we refer to as wings, and a general "it can fly type" of design. But it does not need to look like something from earth for us to call it an aircraft.

If it resembles an existing aircraft from Earth then it is not Cybertronian.

Megatron is a good example of this, having gotten several very distinct Air based alt modes recently.

Here's 3 of them:

Cybetronian Pile of Parts

Decent Cybertronian Aircraft

Earth Based Aircraft

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:35 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
TK415 wrote:WJ would you mind providing a list of some of the other contenders? So we could see some of the good ones from other lines?

My only other contenders were the ones I wrote about in the honourable mentions. Every single other toy I felt had problems that left it off the list. Both the alt mode and robot mode have to look good and hold up and I liked conversions which highlighted intergration, like Vector Prime's wings becoming a cape and his chest being prominent in alt mode while still being part of it.

But we could look back on others to see what else the TF line had to offer. It's not a complete list but it gives an idea.
G1 had some like Star Sabre, but I am just not fond of that full alt mode, it's so wide. I am also not too fond of Sky Garry's alt mode. Strafe is ok but very simplistic since he's a combiner component (Scattershot works better as a figure which can also stand alone). And to me, only Universe Cylonus accomlishes a good robot mode and alt mode with less sacrifices than the others (like the CW version which had horrid undercarriage).

In the Energon line, we had Wing Sabre, whos alt mode was really not good and we also had Slugslinger (who also had a G1 toy), but his conversion is really annoying and he is probably the most fiddly transformer after MP Megatron.

Speaking of Megatron, there is his first movie toy, his animated toys and his prime toy, which have all appeared on previous lists, along with the Fallen, and not for the best reasons I do like his Prime Commander class toy for some reason, I am really impressed with how they still managed an alt mode from a toy which has 0 kibble. He was on a list too.

For the seekers, there are some versions of them with cybertronian modes, like the WFC mold and the Ttanium mold but I felt both were a far cry from what Takara accomplished with the design for the Galaxy Force figure. And speaking of WFC, there was that shockwave toy though it doesnt really look like much of a flying vehicle to me.And there were some of the bruticus components, but I really dislike that era of transformers in general, the plastic felt so frail and cheap. They just didnt feel like quality toys, I am glad we are over that.

Oh and there is also Cybertron Soundwave who is an interesting take on the character, and not a bad toy at all. But not as good as the others. And would the Cybertron Unicron count? He looked more like a hovering scarab than a flying one. Would hovering count? In any case, he didnt make the discussion.

Sorry if it got long but I hope that gives you a good idea of the other stuff out there.

Awesome, thank you! I like the list and all of the info.

I think of Cybertron Unicron as a hover tank, definitely not air vehicle.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:53 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Amelie wrote:
[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Cybertronian vehicles have to be loosely based on something from Earth or it will look like a bunch of junk to us.

I don't really agree with that at all... Loads of very cool designs have come out of throwing out the rule-book.

[Bunch of cool images to show a bunch of other examples we didn't mention yet]

And you know there is also...the examples found in my list... right?

But yeah, a big factor in what I chose for this list is that these should look otherwordly without being lazy. Vector Prime would be the best example of this. He isn't based on anything related to earth, which I described in the article.

And its why I didnt even think og figures like G1 Jetfire, they werent otherworldy enough for a list where I try to show the potential of exploring a cybertronian aesthetic.

what about titanium seekers, titanium Jetfire the vehicles look cool and "otherworldlY" enough
not to mention fall of cybertron seekers as well and sixshot's jetmode you put galaxyforce starscream at No 1 should have went with supreme starscream, if not at least an honorable mention which these did not

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:42 am**

Ultra Markus wrote:should have went with supreme starscream, if not at least an honorable mention which these did not

Why? Its a terrible toy I would not recommend anyone. That toy is the equivalent to a KO upscale since Hasbro didnt even bother to add detail or articulation.

Here are my thoughts presented in a more entertaining manner:

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:21 pm**

I own Cybertron Supreme Starscream and I love it very much. However, it's true that it's indeed a lazy "KO" upscale. I don't really care because it's the centerpeice of my Screamers collection and he look bad-ass.

Posted: **Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:43 pm**

Amelie wrote:
Loads of very cool designs have come out of throwing out the rule-book.

G1 Scourge

G1 Bomb-Burst (and a whole bunch of other flying Pretenders)

Fall Of Cybertron Air-Raid

Fall Of Cybetron Blast-Off

RotF Soundwave

Its all down to personal taste

Fun to see these pics, thanks.

Emerje wrote:

Emerje

I love the new Brainstorm toys. Good addition. Thanks.

Man, I can’t argue with WJ’s list. Maybe I’ll put Brainstorm at 6, or swap him with Sideways.

Let’s see them all on one post.

4. Transformers Cybertron Sideways (Galaxy Force Noise Maze)

3. Transformers Cybertron Vector Prime

2. Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Cyclonus

1. Transformers Galaxy Force Starscream

Honorable Mentions: The main one I struggled to keep on the list was Beast Machines Jetstorm.

Transformers Beast Machines Jetstorm Gallery

Scattershot.

Transformers G1 1987 Scattershot Gallery[/quote]