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Whatever they are, they'll have to be colors I really like for me to get them, I think one of each of those molds will do it for me.

I hope that's Orion Pax.

kinda weird that Scourge would get a repaint/remold considering most people will get more than 1 Scourge so they can have sweeps as well

ill agree with everyone else that Kups might very well be Orion Pax considering the original Kup was repainted as an exclusive Orion...wait for it people we'll get wheelie repainted into Dion lol

DavidT wrote:See what I mean!

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ratbat_(G1)

Ya, ratbat all the way. I got a gears feeling from the kup one too. Looks like my new rule of no repaints is ganna be broken real quick.

I can get behind that for Orion Pax. Scourge does resemble Leozack which is a shame because the Botcon figure looks effing amazing in those colors. Skyquake too. I wouldn't mind Ratbat or someone else. LioKaiser maybe?

Fender Bender wrote:So....Botcon releases that have become redundant due to a general release figure coming out so far:
2005 Ironhide
2005 Ratchet
2007 Springer
2007 Thrust
2007 Dirge
2007 Huffer
2009 Kup
2009 Scourge
2009 Banzaitron
2009 Leozack

Some of these figues shouldn't be on a Classics "redundancy" list. PCC Huffer doesn't replace BotCon Huffer for the "Classics" shelf. Power Core Combiners is its own continutiy, which now seems to actually be part of the extended live action movie continutiy. Similarly, Banzaitron is technically a movie figure.

BotCon Ironhide and Ratchet were released two years before "Classics" even existed, are totally outclassed by their Universe 2.0 incarnations, especially in robot mode.

BotCon Kup is really a much younger, alternate history version of Kup, whereas the Generations figure is obviously the choice for the character we all know and love from G1 in terms of alt mode and his grizzled old-man face.

With Springer, we get two distinct figures representing one each of his triple changer alt modes from G1.

BotCon Scourge was great for a time, but such an important character really does deserve his own "Classics" mold instead of a repaint and head swap of another character from another continuity's toyline.

BotCon Thrust and Dirge are still unique from their Generations Counterparts. Thrust has different tooling between the two versions, and BotCon Dirge is just a Ramjet repaint, while Generages Dirge has all new wing moldings.

So, that really leaves Leozack, but all signs are pointing towards the Generations Scourge repaint/remold being "Senator" Ratbat instead.

I don't think Hasbro is really stepping on FunPub's toes at all with its recent releases.

My guess for the Kup repaint will be Brawn. My science is a bit finicky behind it, but that's my guess and I'm sticking to it!

The head on the first one looks alot like "Megatron:Origin" Ratbat or G1 Leozack.

Kup... You got me...Huffer?..Crosshairs?..

Whilst I agree with many of Wolfman Jake's comments, I'd say that, continuity be damned, PCC Huffer is a great classics Huffer and quite G1 toy-accurate (visor, chest, silver arms etc.). As far as Botcon Ironhide & Ratchet are concerned, they may be less accurate to the G1 cartoon models but the Tow-line mould makes a fantastic (and, undoubtedly, intentional) update to the original Ironhide/Ratchet toy.

On topic:

Leozack = hope not, not the right mould, Botcon version is amazing and, well, who wants a blue re-use of a blue mould?
Gears = meh, though a Swerve could be cool (better colours IMO), the head is more Gears-like though.

Senator Ratbat = would be EPIC
Orion Pax = with Black Shadow hopefully on the way, this could actually happen - who'd have thought, eh?

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Fender Bender wrote:So....Botcon releases that have become redundant due to a general release figure coming out so far:
2005 Ironhide
2005 Ratchet
2007 Springer
2007 Thrust
2007 Dirge
2007 Huffer
2009 Kup
2009 Scourge
2009 Banzaitron
2009 Leozack

Some of these figues shouldn't be on a Classics "redundancy" list. PCC Huffer doesn't replace BotCon Huffer for the "Classics" shelf. Power Core Combiners is its own continutiy, which now seems to actually be part of the extended live action movie continutiy. Similarly, Banzaitron is technically a movie figure.

BotCon Ironhide and Ratchet were released two years before "Classics" even existed, are totally outclassed by their Universe 2.0 incarnations, especially in robot mode.

BotCon Kup is really a much younger, alternate history version of Kup, whereas the Generations figure is obviously the choice for the character we all know and love from G1 in terms of alt mode and his grizzled old-man face.

With Springer, we get two distinct figures representing one each of his triple changer alt modes from G1.

BotCon Scourge was great for a time, but such an important character really does deserve his own "Classics" mold instead of a repaint and head swap of another character from another continuity's toyline.

BotCon Thrust and Dirge are still unique from their Generations Counterparts. Thrust has different tooling between the two versions, and BotCon Dirge is just a Ramjet repaint, while Generages Dirge has all new wing moldings.

So, that really leaves Leozack, but all signs are pointing towards the Generations Scourge repaint/remold being "Senator" Ratbat instead.

I don't think Hasbro is really stepping on FunPub's toes at all with its recent releases.

For the most part I agree.
*Ironhide and Ratchet replace a worse mold and mediocre Botcon head molds. Upgrade IMO.
*Springer is redundant only because of Fansproject to me. The Hasbro offerings were just nothing interesting for my money.
*Thrust and Dirge, yeah. I'll concede here. The new ones are pretty near perfect though and I gladly replaced my Botcon versions with them.
*Huffer is still the most "Classic" version we've gotten. That's despite my fondness for the PCC 2 packs.
*Kup, he was a stand-in for me at best until we got something nicer. We are now and I'm still unsure whether or not to box him away since he fits a subsect of my "Classic" display.
*Scourge, Kinda the same deal as Kup for me. Except I definately want to keep them out. Maybe I can just group the historical segment of that years set together and display it all.
*Banzaitron, IMO, Botcon version wins. No contest. I love the colors on the ROTF mold but he fits nowhere in a "Classic" display. Since I already own Bludgeon and my movie figures are few, he'd be very redundant.
*Leozack, I love the Energon Starscream mold in the colors used for both figures. Skyquake SHOULD be a God damn disaster but it works. I'm really hoping we get something a little more fresh with that one. The Generations Scourge mold looks very interesting.

vladimir-pocket wrote:-skims through megaton origin- im thinking ratbat instead of leozack... not sure about kup though

Ratbat would be an awesome choice, but im game for either.

I really like Botcon Scourge. Even when I get the new Generations Scourge Botcon Scourge may still be Scourge and the Generations one a Sweep. Maybe. Of course my space is damned limited.

The exclucive toys aren't made worthless just because there's a more regular release put out.

As for the teo new heads ... Ratbat does nothing for me. It's a tape or bust for the tape guys in my book. Having got the G1 reissues, I have a proper Ratbat. The other rings no bells.

Hmmm.. To me it just looks like whomever illustrated the images was lazy and did not want to add detail.
LOL

Kup is obviously Gears... wihich is really disappointing. I was hoping he'd be a scout, although the fielrst time I saw kups robot mode I thought the chest looked like Gears chest in the old comics.

Scourge remould looks like Divebomb to me, but it does look a lot like Ratbat too. I can see Leozak but I can almost see someone else too...

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I really like Botcon Scourge. Even when I get the new Generations Scourge Botcon Scourge may still be Scourge and the Generations one a Sweep. Maybe. Of course my space is damned limited.

The exclucive toys aren't made worthless just because there's a more regular release put out.

As for the teo new heads ... Ratbat does nothing for me. It's a tape or bust for the tape guys in my book. Having got the G1 reissues, I have a proper Ratbat. The other rings no bells.

I didn't say they were worthless, just redundant. As my signature says, I wouldn't mind owning the BC 2009 Scourge and Sweeps, even though Generations Scourge is the superior/cheaper figure. I guess I'd just like the two entities to try to avoid doing the same characters to allow for a more diverse offering year after year.

Even if this is Senator Ratbat rather than Leozack, that still makes the Target Exclusive Ratbat (Cybertron Sideways repaint) redundant. While this version may turn out to be the superior version of "Senator Ratbat", I'd rather just have one and had Hasbro use the repaint of Scourge for somebody else. Perhaps G2 Falcon or an American version of G1 Strafe or even G1 Jumpstarter Topspin would have been a better use of the remold? I'm sure there are other, better choices

By the way, there is a better pic of not-Kup's head if you zoom in on the instructions - you can see he does actually have a mouth.

Here we go:


I'm not entirely convinced it's Gears, but it would make sense as Hasbro seems to be doing all the 1984 lineup. And they may have taken liberties with his head since the G1 head is not going to look great on the Kup body.


Maybe it is a half-Gears-half-Swerve headsculpt. I see a few possible Swerve elements.


Someone said Crosshairs, which would work pretty decently with the body, and the head is close-ish:

Gonna Toss my pennies into this mix. So far, I'm guessing Gears and Leozack. If hasbro is willing to possibly do a Blackshadow (unconfirmred still) then I don't see why they wouldn't do a Leozack. If the character ends up being Ratbat, I won't complain.

As for the possible extras with Botcon and Hasbro's release of Scourge and Leazack:

For me, Scourge is himself and he will have all kinds of sweep clones. With this release, I'll have him, my Botcon, and my 2 Titaniums to have a a troop build army. Botcon Scourge's facial hair is grey so he will be he oldest, and the other Botcon sweeps will be his main inner circle, and the newer additions, will be generics.

Leozack...hey, looks like Botcon one becomes...Lyzack

Also, you get to see how Ratbat's (or Leozack's) head looks in alt mode. Seems a little strange from the line art.

El Duque wrote:

DavidT wrote:Not sure about Kup... but the Scourge is definitely gonna be Ratbat

That would be cool, but it REALLY looks like Leozak. Not that it would stop them, but they already released Ratbat as a Sideways repaint in the comic two pack with Springer.

True, but Prime, Bumblebee, Starscream, and Megatron have all gotten the multiple release treatment. Ratbat may not be as popular, but it is possible.

Orian Pax for Kup.

A waste for Scourge. Should have been Alpha Trion.

Does anyone know why Hasbro keeps making this "mistake"?

Rated X wrote:A waste for Scourge. Should have been Alpha Trion.

That can still be a straight repaint as Alpha Trion at some stage though...

If the remould is Ratbat, I'd love for FunPub to repaint it as the Batman-styled SG Ratbat. It'd not only look great, but it'd pretty much be a Batman transformer too. What's not to love about that...?

TeletranPrime wrote:Does anyone know why Hasbro keeps making this "mistake"?

I think it's being done on purpose actually. Nothing teases us fans into rampant speculation like these do.

Mkall wrote:

TeletranPrime wrote:Does anyone know why Hasbro keeps making this "mistake"?

I think it's being done on purpose actually.

Yeah, to save money on Instruction Sheets by reusing art and only changing the name.