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Requiem Prime wrote:But we already have a Hardhead done right. Hasbro only gets half credit but it's still something.

I always thought a good way for Hasbro to make peace with 3rd parties was to let them know what toys were coming down the pipe early. Then they could be working on upgrade kits and driving sales of a would be minor item to the moon and back at retail because nobody else would have it to sell second hand.

One problem though: they're toys for kids. The increase in sales with your proposal is largely negligible because of it. Besides, those 3rd party items matching Hasbro's releases is pure coincidence at best, and they're created by hobbyists who don't have the money for a proper Transformer license.

Although G1 Hardhead did transform into an "H" tank. He just wont be Hardhead with a tank gun sticking out of his chest. Plus, without a headmaster feature, its almost pointless to recreate him, Brainstorm, Highbrow, or Chromedome. Ill stick with my Green Onslaught and Headrobots.

tigertracks 24 wrote:Kind of sucks. I mean we have a perfectly good hardhead, and headrobots has worked so hard to create something nice.

I have to agree with you they all ready did him, as(Hardhead Ultra Class 25th Anniversary Transformers Universe Classic Series) with the upgrade. and then they made another update of the head master.(looking more like him ,in the show )how many times are they going to do a update. So they are going to redo warpath as hardhead . hmmmm
I would like to see Roadbuster so I can add him to my classic Wreckers collection .

It Is Him wrote:They also said at Toy Fair that the Deluxe Prime toys will displace Generations. So, come August, no more Generations. What will happen to Generations in Spring of next year is anyone's guess though.

Nooooot exactly.

Hasbro said to me that the Prime toys were moved from the Generations line to their own line. They didn't say anything to me about Generations ending and seemed excited about the discussion on what we thought the head reveals were.

Counterpunch wrote:

It Is Him wrote:They also said at Toy Fair that the Deluxe Prime toys will displace Generations. So, come August, no more Generations. What will happen to Generations in Spring of next year is anyone's guess though.

Nooooot exactly.

Hasbro said to me that the Prime toys were moved from the Generations line to their own line. They didn't say anything to me about Generations ending and seemed excited about the discussion on what we thought the head reveals were.

Oh wow, that changes things a bit

--B-- wrote:Hmmm,

I really like my Hardhead with head robots update as Hardhead, but I would still pick this up.

Any suggestions on who to repurpose it as?

Flak?

Tacker from Masterforce would work:

http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Tacker/tacker.htm

I like to think of my Universe Hardhead as my classics Bulkhead

No problem with 2 Hardheads. If I ever manage to track down the ultra it can go in with my larger scale Classics, the deluxe with the smaller scale guys. Bring it on. As for remoulds being slow to show up, don't worry folks. It's not like repaints always show up in the same line as the first release. At least the new heads are being designed ahead of time and 'kept for a rainy day' now.

Also, if they want to put out the Hardhead version again I'd happily take one in Quake colours.

I, personally, would buy it if the Hothead would be compatible with it. I have it on my Onslaught, but would change it to the Generations Hardhead if possible....

Thought it was a third party thing at first, then I read the whole thing, and was like "Oh, oops." This is pretty cool, and who knows; he might come with a Headmaster!

tigertracks 24 wrote:Kind of sucks. I mean we have a perfectly good hardhead, and headrobots has worked so hard to create something nice.

The nerve of Hasbro to disrupt the 3rd party head makers.

It would be cool if his head transformed

Hardhead has always been a favorite of mine so I'm very particular about his figures. A remold of Warpath just isn't right in my opinion. Greatly prefer Universe 2.0 Hardhead with HeadRobots' upgrade.

if the colors don't bar him, It could easily stand in as classic e-hobby treads, since the universe hardhead, with add-on set murders this.

Still exciting.

Sparkcrusher was badass, that's fer dam sure!

I was actually hoping for a Quake figure coming from this mold. Need some more Decepticons in the ranks.

Figures...
Oh well, I'll just say he's the big guy's body swap.

Mindmaster wrote:Thought it was a third party thing at first, then I read the whole thing, and was like "Oh, oops." This is pretty cool, and who knows; he might come with a Headmaster!

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Fracas didn't transform.

WINNING!

So now that I've got the figure out and have played aroudn with it a bit I have no real gripes other then his head. It has a beak. When I think of Warpaths head, I think of the animation model or his Legends figure (which was also perfect). The head on that was SPOT ON, where this one looks like Beastwars Razorbeast.

Thrilled with the figure and I may be the odd man out, but I loves me an H-tank. Other then the head sculpt and some slightly below common articulation I give it an 8 out of 10. (you can tell they really tried to make a faithful head while being original so I gotta respect them for that)

Counterpunch wrote:How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.

That would mean Hasbro actually aknowledges they have competition. Maybe it's time collectors stop using the term "Third Party" and start referring to them as legitimate Transformer companies. Were giving Hasbro way too much credit. Henry Ford created the automobile, but we dont go referring to Chevy, Buick, and Dodge as "3rd party car companies" do we ??? Basically Hasbro needs to realize that just because they were the first, doesnt make them the best.

Rated X wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.

That would mean Hasbro actually aknowledges they have competition. Maybe it's time collectors stop using the term "Third Party" and start referring to them as legitimate Transformer companies. Were giving Hasbro way too much credit. Henry Ford created the automobile, but we dont go referring to Chevy, Buick, and Dodge as "3rd party car companies" do we ??? Basically Hasbro needs to realize that just because they were the first, doesnt make them the best.

*Ahem* You mean "changing robot companies". Anyway, you still can't precisely call them legit until they start making original characters, as apposed to homages. Hasbro acknowledges them, and they'll let the homages slide so long as they don't turn a large enough profit that they pose a threat, which is unlikely as they aim only at the collectors market.

Bah whatever, I'm to tired for this...

Counterpunch wrote:How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.

Like the way Hasbro are releasing Hardhead to beat the third party add-on for...Hasbro's Hardhead? I agree with you in general but this is not the best example.

Rated X wrote:That would mean Hasbro actually aknowledges they have competition. Maybe it's time collectors stop using the term "Third Party" and start referring to them as legitimate Transformer companies. Were giving Hasbro way too much credit.

No. No they are not legitimate companies. They may be producing excellent figures and fufilling fan wants but nothing changes the fact that they are taking someone else's concept and making money from it.

And really if Hasbro are fighting the third partiers in this fashion I'm impressed. Rather than sending in the legal big guns or throwing a corporate tantrum they are apparently analysing what fans are demanding from the third partiers and producing their own general retail version of it.

Basically Hasbro needs to realize that just because they were the first, doesnt make them the best.

I don't even know what you mean by this. Third party companies produce high quality, veeeeerry expensive figures targeted exclusively at collectors. Hasbro produce low cost figures that are designed to appeal to a worldwide polydemographic audience. It's a faulty comparison.

EDIT: For some reason this topic always makes my blood boil, so apologies if I'm a little more effusive than usual.

Ahh.. shame it wasn't a different tankformer. Head sculpt looks promising though, but I was hoping the gun barrel could be removed and pegged on the back, opening up possibilities for Brawl, Guzzle, Quake, Bombshock etc etc

I am definitely getting this. I've wanted a deluxe Hardhead for a long time.

On the subject of third party companies, I wish someone would come up with a G1 style head for ROTF Nightbeat. Love Scout cars and the colour scheme is amazing. Shame about the head.

Will definitely pick up Hardhead and Warpath. So glad he hasn't gotten a faceplate.

Diem wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:How very disappointing. Goes well with my theory that the way in which Hasbro is addressing this 3rd party stuff is by releasing the same characters at retail.

Like the way Hasbro are releasing Hardhead to beat the third party add-on for...Hasbro's Hardhead? I agree with you in general but this is not the best example.

Hence why I said, "goes well with" rather than "provides concrete proof".

And here I was hoping for a deluxe class Tankor from Beast Machines. Oh well, I'll just have to make my own.