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Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:05 pm**

Mindmaster wrote:
King Slick wrote:Alt mode reminds me of Classics/Universe Bumblebee/Cliffhum...err Cluffjumper. What next, Jetfire with a paint deco resembling Arbalest?

Arba-who?

The Arbalest is a mech from Code Geass. It is a Sunrise show.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:05 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
Gundamu wrote:Hasbro will be releasing one? Nice!
It's not being released.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/734399-transformers-prime-unrelased-unproduced-frenzy-rumble-prototype-auction.html#post8707806

Unless this guy has an established track record of showing these things off and also having samples of produced figures, then there is no validity to his statement. Keep your fingers crossed, folks.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:25 am**

i can absolutely guarantee that there is a red deco for this guy.
whether or not it gets used by Hasbro, only time will tell.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:39 am**

It'd be great if Hasbro's Frenzy gets wide release, but I'm not keeping my hopes up for that. Not necessarily saying that this godmaximonius is an entirely valid source or not, but I'm not exactly confident in Hasbro releasing every TF toy they got. And with the "Beast Hunters" rebranding I could easily see this (and Ironhide, and Tigertron assuming that's not a mistake) slipping thru the cracks.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:40 am**

I'll more than likely pick up the Hasbro version but collecting these Microns has become some what of a guilty pleasure, so the Takara/Arms Micron version is definitely in the cards for me also.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:50 am**

I think releasing Ironhide and Frenzy in Beast Hunters would be to their advantage. It's two easily made toys that are in demand and it means two less slots to fill.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:54 am**

That Bot wrote:I think releasing Ironhide and Frenzy in Beast Hunters would be to their advantage. It's two easily made toys that are in demand and it means two less slots to fill.

Two less slots that could go to some characters that are actually in the show. I don't feel like waiting for another toyline just to complete the season 3 cast. Do that here. >:oP

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:32 pm**

Giving these two redecos in the Beast Hunters toyline does not preclude getting toys of Smokescreen, Jet Vehicon, Insecticons, or Breakdown. Let's watch and see what happens.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:41 pm**

Mindmaster wrote:Head sculpt seems a little heroic for Frenzy...

Ah, THANK YOU! That's what it is! I was trying to put my finger on whatever was a little..."different". I don't hate it, but I agree, it could easily be an Autobot head sculpt.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:12 pm**

@Sabrblade & JelZe Goldrabbit

You simply don't understand, the US has always wanted to take credit since 1984. :-x

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:16 pm**

XDMan wrote:@Sabrblade & JelZe Goldrabbit

You simply don't understand, the US has always wanted to take credit since 1984.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:34 pm**

XDMan wrote:@Sabrblade & JelZe Goldrabbit

You simply don't understand, the US has always wanted to take credit since 1984.

Then I should point out that in the 80's, outsourcing animation to Japan and Korea was common practice. The toys are Japanese, the animation was indeed Japanese, but the concept was still American.

*gets dragged away*

Wait, I'm not done enlightening him yet!

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:45 pm**

ViperEye82 wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:Head sculpt seems a little heroic for Frenzy...

Ah, THANK YOU! That's what it is! I was trying to put my finger on whatever was a little..."different". I don't hate it, but I agree, it could easily be an Autobot head sculpt.

Well, with the blue eyes (not that it matters that much, but still) could it not indeed be an Autobot? I doubt they'd try enraging the fans that much, but hey! Bold move it would be.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:54 pm**

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
XDMan wrote:@Sabrblade & JelZe Goldrabbit

You simply don't understand, the US has always wanted to take credit since 1984.

Then I should point out that in the 80's, outsourcing animation to Japan and Korea was common practice. The toys are Japanese, the animation was indeed Japanese, but the concept was still American.

*gets dragged away*

Wait, I'm not done enlightening him yet!

What she said. The Transformers brand all began with Hasbro and Marvel Comics in 1984. The cartoon came months later, and didn't hit Japanese shores until 1985.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:57 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
XDMan wrote:@Sabrblade & JelZe Goldrabbit

You simply don't understand, the US has always wanted to take credit since 1984.

Then I should point out that in the 80's, outsourcing animation to Japan and Korea was common practice. The toys are Japanese, the animation was indeed Japanese, but the concept was still American.

*gets dragged away*

Wait, I'm not done enlightening him yet!
What she said. The Transformers brand all began with Hasbro and Marvel Comics in 1984. The cartoon came months later, and didn't hit Japanese shores until 1985.

In short:

Japan came up with the initial set up (robots that turn into stuff), but Hasbro came up with the fiction behind it.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:15 pm**

XDMan wrote:@Sabrblade & JelZe Goldrabbit

You simply don't understand, the US has always wanted to take credit since 1984.

Yep. They don't understand. >:oP

Va'al wrote:
ViperEye82 wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:Head sculpt seems a little heroic for Frenzy...

Ah, THANK YOU! That's what it is! I was trying to put my finger on whatever was a little..."different". I don't hate it, but I agree, it could easily be an Autobot head sculpt.

Well, with the blue eyes (not that it matters that much, but still) could it not indeed be an Autobot? I doubt they'd try enraging the fans that much, but hey! Bold move it would be.

Well, Frenzy is a Decepticon. We know that from Exodus & the games. But were are supposed to get some side switchers in season three.

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:55 am**

Wasnt Rumble a more Purple/Blue, and Frenzy Red/Orange? Or was that the other way around? Hmmm..... walks away scratching head :MAXIMAL:

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:57 am**

I can't believe this became a "which came first" / "FIBRIR" discussion. lol. :BANG_HEAD:

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:11 am**

STngAR wrote:Wasnt Rumble a more Purple/Blue, and Frenzy Red/Orange? Or was that the other way around? Hmmm..... walks away scratching head

In the U.S cartoon, Rumble was lavender and blue while Frenzy was red and black. In just about everything else at the time, it was the other way around.

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:19 pm**

@PrimeStriker: Given between the choice of who doesn't understand (the two who believe the US does it all or Habsro thinking that they made it), thank Primus someone is willing to join me.

@JelZe Goldrabbit: Goodbye. Who cares about your so called enlightening. In other words:

Proceed on your way to oblivion.

<slams the door>

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:42 pm**

XDMan wrote:@PrimeStriker: Given between the choice of who doesn't understand (the two who believe the US does it all or Habsro thinking that they made it), thank Primus someone is willing to join me.

@JelZe Goldrabbit: Goodbye. Who cares about your so called enlightening. In other words:

Proceed on your way to oblivion.

<slams the door>

Dude...

The United States originally came up with the fiction, and several studios in and around the Philippines helped animate the cartoon, while Sunbow wrote the fiction. Japan saw the hubbub going on there and cut short the rebranding of the Diaclone line in favor of the Transformers. Therefore, G1 aired in America in 1984, while in Japan it aired in 1985. How can you not get that?

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:28 pm**

FACT: Frenzy and Rumble were, respectively, blue and red & black in the toys
FACT: This color scheme was shared by the Marvel Comics
FACT: The colors got reversed in the G1 cartoon
FACT: The G1 cartoon was written by various freelance writers, funded by Hasbro, handled by Sunbow Productions who had the animation done by Toei Animation and AKOM, and debuted in the US in 1984. American voice actors were the first voice actors to give life to the characters.
FACT: The G1 cartoon premiered in Japan in 1985.
FACT: The Japanese G1 cartoon reversed the names of Frenzy and Rumble so that their colors were correct with the toys and every other iteration.
FACT: Aligned Frenzy and Rumble aren't G1, and have been consistently portrayed as red and blue respectively, meaning the FIRRIB/FIBRIR debate doesn't matter here.

Now can we get back to discussing our potential Hasbro Prime Frenzy toy?

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:25 pm**

XDMan wrote:@PrimeStriker: Given between the choice of who doesn't understand (the two who believe the US does it all or Habsro thinking that they made it), thank Primus someone is willing to join me.

Dude. I was being sarcastic.

They're right, you're wrong. Have a nice day.

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:18 pm**

That Bot wrote:FACT: Frenzy and Rumble were, respectively, blue and red & black in the toys
FACT: This color scheme was shared by the Marvel Comics
FACT: The colors got reversed in the G1 cartoon
FACT: The G1 cartoon was written by various freelance writers, funded by Hasbro, handled by Sunbow Productions who had the animation done by Toei Animation and AKOM, and debuted in the US in 1984. American voice actors were the first voice actors to give life to the characters.
FACT: The G1 cartoon premiered in Japan in 1985.
FACT: The Japanese G1 cartoon reversed the names of Frenzy and Rumble so that their colors were correct with the toys and every other iteration.
FACT: Aligned Frenzy and Rumble aren't G1, and have been consistently portrayed as red and blue respectively, meaning the FIRRIB/FIBRIR debate doesn't matter here.

Now can we get back to discussing our potential Hasbro Prime Frenzy toy?

Thank you. :APPLAUSE:

Though, the Takara versions of Prime Rumble and Prime Frenzy have their colors switched. 8-}

Posted: **Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:30 pm**

That's Japan being consistent with their version of the TF universe, I guess. Have there been any other versions of Frumble in Japanese TF media?

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