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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:46 am
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:00 amPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:00 amPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:01 amOptimalOptimus2 wrote:I'm starting to dislike this figure.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:24 amPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:25 amSabrblade wrote:EDIT: Two more size comparison pics. This time it's Saber in his torso configuration for his "Battle Up!" combination with the V-Star to form Star Saber:
https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/505552098524553216
https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/505570002057953280
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:28 amRhA wrote:I just want the Geewun guy.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:31 amJelZe GoldRabbit wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I'm starting to dislike this figure.
That is the body of the G1 original, you know that, right?
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:36 amOptimalOptimus2 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I'm starting to dislike this figure.
That is the body of the G1 original, you know that, right?
I wasn't talking about the original. I know which is which. I'm not a stupid Transformers fan.
)Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:49 amSeibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:EDIT: Two more size comparison pics. This time it's Saber in his torso configuration for his "Battle Up!" combination with the V-Star to form Star Saber:
https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/505552098524553216
https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/505570002057953280
Just an FYI, we aren't going to news these because these images are getting ridiculous. These images are great for forum topic discussion, but these images shouldn't get the news feed treatment. Color images of Star Saber or new features on Star Saber are what should get news'ed next.
Thanks for sharing, Sabrblade!
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:58 amAgamemnon wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I'm starting to dislike this figure.
That is the body of the G1 original, you know that, right?
I wasn't talking about the original. I know which is which. I'm not a stupid Transformers fan.
What about it is not to your liking? Based on when this comment appeared, I wondered if there was confusion about the V-Star being G1 or MP. Was there something in the newest prototype pics? (Just looking for clarification on the original comment, and hoping to smooth some things over.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:33 pmPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:53 pm
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:59 pmOptimalOptimus2 wrote:The reason why I don't really like it is because, yes, it's smaller than its predecessor. Star Saber's Standard Mode is the same size as MP Prowl which I find it out of scale. The only good thing about this toy is that is has a lot more articulation than the G1 version. It really bothers me that this toy is small. I'm sorry if I have upset any of you for stating my reason. Might be best to keep the original Star Saber.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:42 pmOptimalOptimus2 wrote:The reason why I don't really like it is because, yes, it's smaller than its predecessor. Star Saber's Standard Mode is the same size as MP Prowl which I find it out of scale. The only good thing about this toy is that it has a lot more articulation than the G1 version. It really bothers me that this toy is small. I'm sorry if I have upset any of you for stating my reason. Might be best to keep the original Star Saber.
We only wanted to know because you didn't explain at the time, or at least that's why I wanted to know.Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:07 pmIt is not out of scale. The larger Star Saber form is bigger than the original toy:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:The reason why I don't really like it is because, yes, it's smaller than its predecessor. Star Saber's Standard Mode is the same size as MP Prowl which I find it out of scale. The only good thing about this toy is that it has a lot more articulation than the G1 version. It really bothers me that this toy is small. I'm sorry if I have upset any of you for stating my reason. Might be best to keep the original Star Saber.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:01 pmSabrblade wrote:It is not out of scale. The larger Star Saber form is bigger than the original toy:OptimalOptimus2 wrote:The reason why I don't really like it is because, yes, it's smaller than its predecessor. Star Saber's Standard Mode is the same size as MP Prowl which I find it out of scale. The only good thing about this toy is that it has a lot more articulation than the G1 version. It really bothers me that this toy is small. I'm sorry if I have upset any of you for stating my reason. Might be best to keep the original Star Saber.
It's only the toy's Saber form and the Brain of Courage that are smaller, and that's for the sake of show-accuracy.
In the cartoon, Saber was the same height as Perceptor, who was the same height as Wheeljack:
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:06 pmThe brain has no personal name. It's just "Brain of Courage" (Yūki no Brain).Seibertron wrote:Yukio
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:10 pmSabrblade wrote:The brain has no personal name. It's just "Brain of Courage" (Yūki no Brain).Seibertron wrote:Yukio
TFwiki wrote:For years, Transformers fans have referred (and continue to refer) to the Brainmaster components of Star Saber, Blacker, Braver and Laster as "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza", as if they were proper names. These are, in fact, simply the Japanese words meaning "courage", "strength", "intelligence" and "skill"; the Brains do not have proper names, and are simply known as "Brain of Courage", etc.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:27 pmZeroWolf wrote:I would also like to know why you dislike it now, is it something to do with the fact its smaller then it's predecessor.
The look that it could combine with victory Leo though is decreasing with each new comparsion pic. Looks like it will just be too small to combine.
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:55 pmIt also wouldn't be the first time misconceptions became widespread enough to mislead most of the fandom for many years until reality came knocking at the door. Remember the era when people thought the characters of the Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo cartoons all hailed from the same home time as the American Beast Wars characters? Or when the Micromasters D-Go and San D-Go were believed to be named "Diego" and "San Diego", respectively (though, the reference is there as a pun)? Or the ever lovingly "Hyper Goldfish Golfball!" phrase from the Fire Convoy toy (which was really "Cybertron Senshi, TRANSFORM!").Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The brain has no personal name. It's just "Brain of Courage" (Yūki no Brain).Seibertron wrote:Yukio
I'll continue to call the Brainmaster "Brain of Courage" master figures as "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza" despite what TFwiki says (which may be correct). Those words associated with those figures came from somewhere. Those figures have been known as those names for quite some time and it wouldn't be the first time that fan made words made the official leap such as "Generation 1", "Seekers" and other words or names.TFwiki wrote:For years, Transformers fans have referred (and continue to refer) to the Brainmaster components of Star Saber, Blacker, Braver and Laster as "Yūki", "Riki", "Chie" and "Waza", as if they were proper names. These are, in fact, simply the Japanese words meaning "courage", "strength", "intelligence" and "skill"; the Brains do not have proper names, and are simply known as "Brain of Courage", etc.
Jean's hyperbolic excitement aside, it's evident that he's speaking of the Brains as a power (manifested into physical robotic forms) belonging to each of the larger Autobots, rather than as individual persons in their own right.Joyce: "Hey, are the Cybertrons powerful?"
Jean: "Of course! All the Cybertrons are powerful, but the Brainmasters are really powerful!"
Joyce: "Brainmasters?"
Jean: "Yeah! There's only four beings in the whole universe who have the Brain Power (Burein Kinō)!"
Students: "Wow!"
Teacher: "Jean-kun! Be quiet and pay attention!"
Jean: "Yes sir!"
Joyce: "What's Brain Power?"
Jean: "I'm glad you asked! Brain Power is... Courage (Yūki)! Strength (Chikara)! Intelligence (Chie)! Skill (Waza)! It's an awesome mecha that gives one's abilities a power-up! When someone has the Brain Power, they become one of the most powerful warriors in the universe! Well, that's what I heard from Holi, anyway."
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:16 pmSabrblade wrote:"Yūki" is literally the Japanese word for "Courage", "Bravery", "Fearlessness", etc. Same with the other three meaning those other words (though, it's "Chikara" rather than "Riki"). "Waza" was even used again in recent years in Transformers: Go! to refer to GoKenzan as the "Waza no Sanjou Gattai", meaning he's the "Triple Combination of Skill". Fans attributing these descriptors to the Brainmasters as personal names for them was likely another product of the early online fandom of the 90s' lack of full understanding of the Japanese Transformers series. And that is reasonably understandable since both the fandom and its awareness of the Japanese TF series' existence was still very new at the time, and the shows themselves wouldn't be fully experienced until the fansubs of them from TV-Nihon and the official subbed DVD sets of them from the UK and Australia came about in the 2000s.
As for the brains themselves, the Victory cartoon itself would address the terms "Yūki", "Chikara", "Chie" and "Waza" in regards to the brains in its third episode:Jean's hyperbolic excitement aside, it's evident that he's speaking of the Brains as a power (manifested into physical robotic forms) belonging to each of the larger Autobots, rather than as individual persons in their own right.Joyce: "Hey, are the Cybertrons powerful?"
Jean: "Of course! All the Cybertrons are powerful, but the Brainmasters are really powerful!"
Joyce: "Brainmasters?"
Jean: "Yeah! There's only four beings in the whole universe who have the Brain Power (Burein Kinō)!"
Students: "Wow!"
Teacher: "Jean-kun! Be quiet and pay attention!"
Jean: "Yes sir!"
Joyce: "What's Brain Power?"
Jean: "I'm glad you asked! Brain Power is... Courage (Yūki)! Strength (Chikara)! Intelligence (Chie)! Skill (Waza)! It's an awesome mecha that gives one's abilities a power-up! When some has the Brain Power, they become one of the most powerful warriors in the universe! Well, that's what I heard from Holi, anyway."
Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:19 pm
