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Burn wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Burn wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm still having a hard time getting behind this movie. I have a friend e-mailing me a copy of the Prime Directive script so that and Ryan's opinion will go along way to helping me sort things out.

Why not just wait 138 days and oh ... go and see it for yourself and then decide?

Because right now I don't want to put my money behind a product I don't support 100%.

See, I don't get this. It's going to cost you what, less than $20 and a few hours of your life. Seems a small price to pay to make up your own mind for yourself and not influenced by the opinions of others.

Oh and if you feel it's a big conspiracy with money changing hands, consider this.

Don't you think Don Murphy would have paid Ryan off following the Megatron incident instead of the full scale forum war that ensured? Wouldn't it have been easier to pay the webmasters off months ago to ensure negative criticism didn't appear on ANY of the major TF sites? Why would they wait to pay them off after seeing 20-30 mins of footage when the damage is obviously already done?

I most certainly do NOT believe that it is a conspiracy at all and am quite sickened by the baseless and unfounded accusations leveled against Ryan. What is the source of the conflict in my mind is the contradiction between what we have been told by those who have made the movie and what we have seen thus far. To put it simply I'm finding it hard to believe that the movie will do the great homage that Bay and company have stated to the franchise when none of the images and plot summaries thus far have drawn upon the archtypes we know so well. Before I spend $10-$20 on a movie I like to know what I'm in for.

The money changing hands part of that was not directed at you, I don't think, since that's not what you were saying. You just caught up in the quote.

Burn wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Burn wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm still having a hard time getting behind this movie. I have a friend e-mailing me a copy of the Prime Directive script so that and Ryan's opinion will go along way to helping me sort things out.

Why not just wait 138 days and oh ... go and see it for yourself and then decide?

Because right now I don't want to put my money behind a product I don't support 100%.

See, I don't get this. It's going to cost you what, less than $20 and a few hours of your life. Seems a small price to pay to make up your own mind for yourself and not influenced by the opinions of others.

Oh and if you feel it's a big conspiracy with money changing hands, consider this.

Don't you think Don Murphy would have paid Ryan off following the Megatron incident instead of the full scale forum war that ensured? Wouldn't it have been easier to pay the webmasters off months ago to ensure negative criticism didn't appear on ANY of the major TF sites? Why would they wait to pay them off after seeing 20-30 mins of footage when the damage is obviously already done?

I most certainly do NOT believe that it is a conspiracy at all and am quite sickened by the baseless and unfounded accusations leveled against Ryan. What is the source of the conflict in my mind is the contradiction between what we have been told by those who have made the movie and what we have seen thus far. To put it simply I'm finding it hard to believe that the movie will do the great homage that Bay and company have stated to the franchise when none of the images and plot summaries thus far have drawn upon the archtypes we know so well. Before I spend $10-$20 on a movie I like to know what I'm in for.

Yeah sorry about that chuckdawg. The conspiracy stuff wasn't aimed at you. Bad wording on my part. It was aimed at those who believe there is a conspiracy that money was exchanged.

Burn wrote:Yeah sorry about that chuckdawg. The conspiracy stuff wasn't aimed at you. Bad wording on my part. It was aimed at those who believe there is a conspiracy that money was exchanged.

That's ok; no harm no foul. Ya know I had a thought; way back in 1984 Transformers was based on a toy line that was never meant to be a cartoon, let alone a cartoon about sentient robots. Perhaps the way we are seeing the TF's now is how the folks at Marvel and maybe Hasbro/Takara first envisioned them before it was decided to go the Diaclone route?

OMFG@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM NEVER GOING TO GET HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY FLIGHT HAS BEEN CANCELED FOR THE SECOND TIME. I JUST WANT TO SLEEP IN MY OWN BED SOMETIME IN THE NEXT WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seibertron wrote:OMFG@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM NEVER GOING TO GET HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY FLIGHT HAS BEEN CANCELED FOR THE SECOND TIME. I JUST WANT TO SLEEP IN MY OWN BED SOMETIME IN THE NEXT WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New York buried again I imagine. So sorry to hear that. At least you don't have to worry about flooding...

Seibertron wrote:OMFG@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM NEVER GOING TO GET HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY FLIGHT HAS BEEN CANCELED FOR THE SECOND TIME. I JUST WANT TO SLEEP IN MY OWN BED SOMETIME IN THE NEXT WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ok, I'm done. Better that you're safe on the ground then in jepordy in the air. I have a feeling your "review" of Toyfair will be 5% about Toyfair, and 95% on how shite your trip home was. (if you ever get home)

PS, I also understand if I get banned for life when you get home after laughing at your mis-fortunes.

I'm having flashbacks of the "New York vs. Homer Simpson" episode....

Maximus Prime wrote:I'm having flashbacks of the "New York vs. Homer Simpson" episode....

Hahaha, no bowl...stick, STICK! Enjoy your crab juice Boss!

Seibertron wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:

Bluebullet wrote:

Leonardo wrote:^You're both correct, or you could have "black comedy" or "dark comedy".

Aren't the Madea movies "black comedy"?

That what I thought. Now i havent hit up the ole wiki or nothing but I thought a dark Comedy is comedy with Dark serious tone throughout the move I.E Grosse Point Blank. A Black Comedy, is Comedy with Black Stars I.E. "Friday". But I could be wrong.

There's a possibility that that's what "black comedy" is in the States, but over here "black comedy" refers to the same thing as "dark comedy", i.e; a farce about trying to dispose of a corpse would be black comedy, regardless of the ethnicity of the performers.

EDIT: As Yeti remarks, above.

Of course, that's the traditional view. It may be that colloquially, in the States at least, the definition has changed in recent decades.

I don't care what sort of comedy it is so long as is funny comedy. A dog pissing up Ironhides leg isn't comedy, it's bloody pathetic.

Yours AK

Review Update: The comedy in the movie seems to be along the lines of the humor in Independence Day. If you didn't like the humor in that movie, then I don't know what to tell you.

This has been my fear...

RYAN Catch the Freaking Bus man There must be a peterpan leaving every hour.

Ooohh, I think Independence Day is Godawful...

Still, what year did it come out? 1996? I was only thirteen and I quite liked it at the time.

I shouldn't be surprised in the slightest that this film is aimed at thirteen-year-olds today.

Ah well, there's always Spider-man 3 to look forward to!!

Ryan this is starting to sound like Planes,Trains and Automobiles

I can't remember the comedy in ID4 but I agree with AK. This sounds a touch juvenile and sophomoric.

Seibertron wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Phategod1 wrote:

Bluebullet wrote:

Leonardo wrote:^You're both correct, or you could have "black comedy" or "dark comedy".

Aren't the Madea movies "black comedy"?

That what I thought. Now i havent hit up the ole wiki or nothing but I thought a dark Comedy is comedy with Dark serious tone throughout the move I.E Grosse Point Blank. A Black Comedy, is Comedy with Black Stars I.E. "Friday". But I could be wrong.

There's a possibility that that's what "black comedy" is in the States, but over here "black comedy" refers to the same thing as "dark comedy", i.e; a farce about trying to dispose of a corpse would be black comedy, regardless of the ethnicity of the performers.

EDIT: As Yeti remarks, above.

Of course, that's the traditional view. It may be that colloquially, in the States at least, the definition has changed in recent decades.

I don't care what sort of comedy it is so long as is funny comedy. A dog pissing up Ironhides leg isn't comedy, it's bloody pathetic.

Yours AK

Review Update: The comedy in the movie seems to be along the lines of the humor in Independence Day. If you didn't like the humor in that movie, then I don't know what to tell you. ID4 is one of my favorite movies.

Well that's just the icing on my 'I told you so' cake. Ever since I heard Bay was making the movie, that he was portraying the US Military in a positive way, and saw the trailers full of huge epic action, guys in the Penagon and grunts in the desert, I've been sure this moive will simply be Independace day with Giant Robots. I didn't really like Independance day, and comedy certanly wasn't one of its strong points. Plus as a non-american I found it down right offensive. Looks like this movie is just more of the same action packed, one-liner, unfunny, overly patriotic crap Hollywood just loves to churn out every summer, only this time it's thinly disguised as Transformers. I personally think the Transformers mythology is worthy much more than that. Im seriously reconcidering even going to see this movie now.

Hope you get home soon Ryan.

Yours AK

Alex Kingdom wrote:Well that's just the icing on my 'I told you so' cake.

Oh good, it has icing now. It'll make it easier for you to swallow when I feed it to you in a few months.

Burn wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:Well that's just the icing on my 'I told you so' cake.

Oh good, it has icing now. It'll make it easier for you to swallow when I feed it to you in a few months.

Hey, I'll happily eat my words if I'm proven wrong, in fact I'd love to be proven wrong! But c'mon! Look at the evidence, I'm pretty certain (and disapointed) that there'll sadly be no cake for me on July 4th.

Yours AK

Can anyone remind me what jokes/gags/humour were in ID4?

Leonardo wrote:Can anyone remind me what jokes/gags/humour were in ID4?

From what I remember, it mostly revolved around an adrenaline-fueled Will Smith shouting at an alien before punching it out. There were a few 'mildly amusing' moments, mostly in the you-know-what's-coming-but-you-laugh-anyway vein. I haven't watched the film in years, but the overriding impression of it in my memory consists of big effects and some seriously overblown flag-waving about America saving the world - again - because no-one else has the balls to stand up for our rights or some such. And Jeff Goldblum infecting the alien mothership with a virus wirelessly uploaded from his laptop with no connection difficulties or OS compatibility issues whatsoever.

Glyph wrote:

Leonardo wrote:Can anyone remind me what jokes/gags/humour were in ID4?

From what I remember, it mostly revolved around an adrenaline-fueled Will Smith shouting at an alien before punching it out. There were a few 'mildly amusing' moments, mostly in the you-know-what's-coming-but-you-laugh-anyway vein. I haven't watched the film in years, but the overriding impression of it in my memory consists of big effects and some seriously overblown flag-waving about America saving the world - again - because no-one else has the balls to stand up for our rights or some such. And Jeff Goldblum infecting the alien mothership with a virus wirelessly uploaded from his laptop with no connection difficulties or OS compatibility issues whatsoever.

Well, Glyph, your glowing review has sold me. I must now revisit the film.

Glyph wrote:

Leonardo wrote:Can anyone remind me what jokes/gags/humour were in ID4?

From what I remember, it mostly revolved around an adrenaline-fueled Will Smith shouting at an alien before punching it out. There were a few 'mildly amusing' moments, mostly in the you-know-what's-coming-but-you-laugh-anyway vein. I haven't watched the film in years, but the overriding impression of it in my memory consists of big effects and some seriously overblown flag-waving about America saving the world - again - because no-one else has the balls to stand up for our rights or some such. And Jeff Goldblum infecting the alien mothership with a virus wirelessly uploaded from his laptop with no connection difficulties or OS compatibility issues whatsoever.

I thought America saving the world with patriotic spirit was the comedy in that movie.

Burn wrote:

Alex Kingdom wrote:Well that's just the icing on my 'I told you so' cake.

Oh good, it has icing now. It'll make it easier for you to swallow when I feed it to you in a few months.

People pay good money to be talked to like that, and your tossing it around here for free. For shame. (That's the kind of humour I'm willing to bet is in the film:wink:)

Glyph wrote:

Leonardo wrote:Can anyone remind me what jokes/gags/humour were in ID4?

From what I remember, it mostly revolved around an adrenaline-fueled Will Smith shouting at an alien before punching it out. There were a few 'mildly amusing' moments, mostly in the you-know-what's-coming-but-you-laugh-anyway vein. I haven't watched the film in years, but the overriding impression of it in my memory consists of big effects and some seriously overblown flag-waving about America saving the world - again - because no-one else has the balls to stand up for our rights or some such. And Jeff Goldblum infecting the alien mothership with a virus wirelessly uploaded from his laptop with no connection difficulties or OS compatibility issues whatsoever.

Yeah thats pretty much how I remember it. The offenive part was the motague of racial stereotypes recieving the call from Bill Pullman (the US President) that he and America had devisd a plan save our asses, yet again. I think us Brit were depicted as mustache twirling WWII Spitfire piolts saying something like "jolly good show, about time you Americans sorted this little mess out! Tally ho and God save the Queen, what what!".

Yours AK

Satanatron wrote:Inmortal Starscream wrote:

if you guys start chunking your tfs at eachother lemme know, so i can scoopem up~
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Right ahead of you two. *comes in with a very big net one uses to catch butterflies.*

I get first picks at any Beast ones.