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Another movie review *SPOILERS*

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:59 pm
by Phategod1
I dont Know how many of you guys check out AICN but there is another review of the movie and I must say I find it informative and entertaining. While It's still not making me want to Pay to see this movie, (a feet Jesus Christ could not accomplish) I understand where this guy comes from being from my generation, and he does not sound like a complete @$$hat like the other reviewer Enjoy.

http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/32844.

And no I'm not copying and pasting the text you lazy Bastards.

Re: Another movie review

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:11 pm
by Autobot032
Phategod1 wrote:I dont Know how many of you guys check out AICN but there is another review of the movie and I must say I find it informative and entertaining. While It's still not making me want to Pay to see this movie, (a feet Jesus Christ could not accomplish) I understand where this guy comes from being from my generation, and he does not sound like a complete @$$hat like the other reviewer Enjoy.

http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/32844.

And no I'm not copying and pasting the text you lazy Bastards.


Here's for all of those...."lazy bastards" as you put it... :?


THARR BE SPOILERS HERE! READ YE AT YE OWN RISK!


AICN wrote: Published on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 10:42am
Because You Asked Him To!! Filmcoyote Has Seen TRANSFORMERS And Wants To Tell You All About It!!


Merrick here...

Filmcoyote sent in a look at TRANSFORMERS. He says a lot here, so I won't bore you with an unnecessary preamble - except to remind you that Filmcoyote did not see a final cut of the film. I.e. changes / adjustments may be made to the movie between the version he saw & the final release.

With that...

Here's Filmcoyote!

Hi all, the filmcoyote here again.

Anyway, mentioned having seen Transformers in the 'trailer that shows a lot' Talkback and a couple of Talkbackers said elaborate. It's a slow afternoon so what the hell.

Background: I was born ass-end of the 70s (this is going somewhere I promise) so hit the Transformers toy craze at the perfect age (see). Loved the cartoon, toys and 86 movie at the time but haven't revisited them as an adult. My trepidation of seeing a live action movie of Transformers did not come from a flames on Optimus/Bumblebee's not a VW bug stand point but just from a who the hell gives a rat's ass stand point. Michael Bay, meh, liked Rock and Bad Boys, hated Armageddon, laughed my ass off through Pearl Harbor (I expect not the intended reaction) so wasn't really bothered either way by him.

But I think my biggest issue was fogy syndrome. I have started to think I'm getting too old to enjoy cinematic lunacy fully. I was bored by 300, found myself complaining about characterisation in Spider-Man 3 and X-Men 3 (can't believe that would even have occurred to me as a kid) and was stunned that even Johnny Depp did nothing forme in Pirates 3. I wondered whether it was all the constant CG, that I yearned for the good old days of the Schwarzenegger 80s! When life was simpler. I felt this might have been confirmed when the John Rambo trailer got me as excited as a school kid two weeks ago.

Transformers proved me wrong. Characterization? - Where? CG? - Everywhere! But I really enjoyed it. It made me feel like I was 10 years old again. I don't think a summer movie has made me feel that way since The Matrix.

Let me elaborate. I will not lie to you, is Transformers a great movie, brilliantly written, completely devoid of a feeling of big-screen toy-advertisement? No, it isn't.

Are all the robots a great design? Well, this will split people I'm sure but Megatron sucks for sure. Have they picked great actors doing it for the art? Ha, Turturro's manicness and Voight's phoning in leave you with a sense of them dancing around their paychecks off screen with glee.

There's also this little robot (kind of the equivalent of Ravage and Laserbeak in the cartoon) that is played for comic effect that is incredibly irritating. But somehow - maybe because I had no expectations and with so maybe sequels these days expectations are hard to silence - I got past all these flaws and just enjoyed it for the sheer entertainment. And damn is it entertaining.

The film wastes no time getting down to business. That much touted helicopter transformation that trashes the army base present in some sense since the first trailer is the first scene of the whole film. In fact it moves back and forth between kick ass action (usually involving army guys and Decepticons) and the "human" story (Shia, Megan) nicely for the first 40 minutes or so.

The film has nods to the cartoon (a VW bug sitting next to Bumblebee in the used-car lot, the corny more than meets the eye line comes up at least twice, the cartoon transforming noise is in there) but is mostly its own thing.

The "human" more comedic side is actually pretty good. Often these days films can't get the balance of these things and they feel forced in and just make you wish they'd get back to big **** robots battling (which is why we're there anyway). I think the reason they get away with it is LaBeouf. I had only seen him in Holes and Bobby prior to this and hadn't understood why there was such a buzz on him but his comic-timing is superb. He is just so effortlessly likeable. It's like Tom Hanks in Big, Will Smith in Independence Day, Michael J Fox in Back to The Future, he's effortless and gives a great performance.

And the reason I think this is why these bits work is simple: it's not the script - I know this because there's also another "human" story involving "sleeping throught the movie" Jon Voight and a bunch of tech geeks. And these bits are painful.

There's this one Aussie actress (if she warrants the term actress) who is almost as wooden as Keira Knightley. None of the actors in this section can do anything with the banal dialogue they are given, they simply don't have the talent. Thankfully there's not much of them. Shia just brings the whole thing to life, he is a true joy to watch and i look forward to other films he's in. Megan Fox is of course also in most of his scenes and she's fine. She is not bad at all and she's gorgeous but any reasonable actress her age could have done just as well. Shia is working on another level from those around him.

The print I saw had no score just temp tracks from The Rock, American Beauty and something else I couldn't place. I hope the real score is great because the American Beauty bits (which kicked in everytime Megan and Shia appeared on their own) were really distracting.

But what you want to know is robots, right? We've all seen the designs and for me they work fine. They are a bit busy but they have a sense of the real to them. Realism no. This is a movie about giant **** robots, there's no room for realism but in a way they make sense, it feels right that they are what they are. As for what the Transform into, this is explained away in a Bumblebee scene when we see him as a beat up car scan another car and instantly upgrade to look bad new. The reason he's not a VW? That's not what he scanned. So essentially all these robots could become anything. The only thing they never really explain is why all the Decepticons seem to be able to fly while none of the Autobots can. Maybe, they just don't chose to.

The thing on here the other day about the trailer with Bumblebee's voice - not Bumblebee's voice. Bumblebee doesn't talk - his voice unit was damaged in a war - and he communicates through his radio. Peter Cullen is great as Optimus Prime but, maybe it's just me, but he didn't sound much like he did in the cartoon. I don't know why they bothered getting Hugo Weaving in for Megatron. For a start Megatron's barely in the film - he's in maybe the last 20 minutes - and it could be anyone voicing.

The thing that really had me awed though is the transformations. When one of the robots transforms mid movement is looks incredible. Barricade (a Decepticon police cruiser) is first to do it, chasing Bumblebee and Shia in robot form and transforming into his car form in mid-stride. There are more instances in the non-stop action finale - the best of them being Starscream mif-flight transformation to land in robot form and enter a fray. These are the moments that really took me, that transported me back into my 10-year-old self. I got so excited by it. As I say I probably haven't been genuinely excited by watching a blockbuster since The Matrix. It was a feeling I remember having for Jedi as a kid, Batman and T2 as a teenager.

I'm not saying Transformers is as good as T2 but it was a real surprise. It has plot weaknesses and some shakey performances but it is hugely entertaining both in the frequent battle set pieces, whether human vs robot or robot vs robot, and in the Shia LaBeouf moments. Even some of the comedy (Optimus trying to hide behind a house he's twice the size of) worked for me (although my friend this scene a little over the top). But that's just it, like the first Pirates movie it is the over-the-topness combined with great set pieces and superb special effects that make it so enjoyable and help you see past the flaws. I'm sure those more invested in the 80s show will have issues with things I either didn't notice or don't get (why is flames on Optimus a big deal? - though I get the Optimus mouth thing, that was weird) but then that's like comic-book movies to me, I never read them so I don't care if Venom's a great or sucky character in Spider-Man I just want to be entertained for a couple of hours.

Transformers did that for me. Best of this years crop so far (not that the disappointing Spider-Man 3, dull At World's End or abyssmal Shrek the Third set the bar high mind you!) by a long way.


There.

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:46 pm
by Phategod1
Thank you 32 your the man.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:40 am
by D-340
Well it seems like that's about the reaction I expect for myself. Which is good, it means I'll enjoy the movie.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:11 am
by Stormrider
Front paged and credited.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:16 am
by Ramses
well, this seems to be a more coharent and better review. I'll take this one as a solid opinion.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:41 am
by cellshock
It scares me a bit that the "big scenes" he describes also happen to be in all of the trailers. I hope there is a LOT more to Stasrcream, for example, than what we already saw in the trailers.

His comment about Weaving is exactly what I feared - such a generic voice for Megatron that anyone could have done it. There's no way it'll have the impact that Welker could have brought (in MY opnion).

I'm still wondering in all of these early reviews where the arctic scene is? Did they cut it or something?

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:46 am
by Phategod1
Stormrider wrote:Front paged and credited.
I can die a happy man now :)

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:48 am
by Leonardo
cellshock wrote:I'm still wondering in all of these early reviews where the arctic scene is? Did they cut it or something?


I've been wondering that. I thought they'd have it as the opening scene, as a prologue, but maybe it'll appear later as a flashback. Or they didn't show it at the preview[s] because it ate up too much time.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:09 am
by Stormrider
Phategod1 wrote:
Stormrider wrote:Front paged and credited.
I can die a happy man now :)


You mean MP Megatron wasn't enough for you? :P

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:15 am
by Craven Knight
"There's also this little robot (kind of the equivalent of Ravage and Laserbeak in the cartoon) that is played for comic effect that is incredibly irritating"

Le sigh - Who's the jerk the thought up the concept of irritating droid comic effect?

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:50 am
by Spooner
Not based on the final cut? And it's being compared to Pirates of the Carribean? I didn't really care that much for that movie (haven't seen the last two as a result), but I hope this movie holds more interest than that.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:21 am
by Kayevcee
"Le sigh - Who's the jerk the thought up the concept of irritating droid comic effect?"

George Lucas? Oh my.

-Nick

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:16 am
by Archanubis
AICN wrote:The film wastes no time getting down to business. That much touted helicopter transformation that trashes the army base present in some sense since the first trailer is the first scene of the whole film.

Somehow, this didn't surprise me, considering that's where the prequel comic leaves off.

The review is not entirely informative, but it piques my interest.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:57 am
by Roboto750
I only read the short review posted in the news story to avoid spoilers. Sounds like things are really shaping up here! Can't wait to see the movie at Botcon! ;)^

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:00 am
by Blitzwing the warrior
How could you be bored with 300? That movie was amazing

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:10 am
by agents
Blitzwing the warrior wrote:How could you be bored with 300? That movie was amazing



Maybe it was all the slow motion sequences that took up half the film.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:40 am
by Metal Gear Solid Fan
Well, it seems as though Hugo isn't bringing anything new or different to Megatron based on the review. Almost seems like just your "classic bad guy voice". If that's true, then that is somewhat disappointing. I still think overall it will be a good movie though.

On a side note...I haven't seen 300 yet, but what is there not to like about Spiderman 3???????????????????????? :???:

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:01 am
by Shadowman
Ooh, an MGS fan. :D

Back on topic: I really have to see this movie. This review makes me want to see it more.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:26 pm
by First Gen
This guy didnt like 300 or Pirates. Movies I thought were great. So either TF's is gonna rock out like never before, or its gonna suck so bad Counterpunch will revert back to Punch and join a monastary.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:26 pm
by Phategod1
Newsflash I dont know if you pay attention to the Talkbacks below the article but the guy who wrote the articles posted some more Spoilers in the Talkback

It's now like two in the morning and insomnia's in full swing so i'm back. Vern - actually yes Independence Day is a good comparison. The feel, the acting, the fun, the silliness, the thin-plot. A film i enjoyed on the level of entertainment it was meant but i would not consider a really good film. My best film of last year was Letters From Iwo Jimaider Dog Day Afternoon the best film ever made. I've taken to trying to just sit back and enjoy the ride on films like this because otherwise i'd always be disappointed and i don't want to be denied the chance to love brainless films rather than just the artier stuff which inevitably disappoints me less as i get older. But you know what I did enjoy ID4, I did enjoy Bad Boys, I did enjoy The Mummy but i haven't liked a Bay film since The Rock until this one, and i haven't enjoyed a summer blockbuster this year so far nor any i can recall last year so i'll take the best i can get. Mr Nice Gaius i saw this on a test screening back in late April. I didn't bother to write a review because I can usually only be bothered if i like something and on this site what's the point. That said the last review i srnt in in early April was for Spider-Man 3 which i thought was fine but disappointing and they didn't use it. I wrote this this time because two guys in a talkback said elaborate so I did. Obviously not enough so, SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! - no Ratchet does virtually nothing, i don't think he has a single line but he is involved (as they all are) in the final battle which sees the Autobots come off much better than the Decepticons who are largely destroyed in the battle (Starscream is okay) and buried at sea. Jazz is killed though which i was disappointed in because they barely used him and I had the Porsche 911 toy of Jazz as a kid and none of my friends did so it was my pride and joy (that and Wreckgar!) Megatron is only in it a bit because ala The Thing (or reminiscent of a story I remember in the cartoon involving Starfire) he's been trapped in the Arctic frozen and the military have found him and kept him on ice (kind of like the Area 51 stuff in ID4). The tacked on plot revolves around the robots having to find the antique glasses of Shia's grandfather because they hold the key to discovering the power source they seek (Energon cube type of thing but they don't call it that). And on 300 yes i did say boring and i stick by it: it's just endless CG battles one after the other, there's no sense of peril or excitement because of the style. Its repetitive and dull and therefore, yes, boring. Don't get the love of that film at all. And equally the liking of so wooden she makes Knightley look okay Lena Headey. Maybe it would have been better if i'd had lower expectations but after the brilliant Sin City (which use the style to great effect) and the fun Dawn of the Dead I was hoping for a fun ride, what i got was a turgid uber-effect with no life and no soul.

Maybe SPOILERS but it seems a lot has been seen before. Don't know which shot in the trailer you're talking about huggerorange but he ain't there, but yes he does transform both at the dam-army base (the Area 51 equivalent) and in the big LA battle. He becomes a plane but not a human plane because he never scans anything so he's kind of a futuristic plane. Pretty sure we never see Barricade demise if has one although BUmblebee blasts the crap out of one of them with his arm cannon (big blue blasts shoot out from where his hand should be) so maybe that was him. Had to be either him or Bonecrusher. The helicopter Decepticon gets trashed by Josh Duhamel's army guy who slides between his legs and blows him up with some kind of bomb

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:39 pm
by Skowl
what's a f*ck-0ff Robot?

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:26 pm
by Faceful of Kitchen
ok, this review pretty much confirms my idea of what the movie will be. lots of generic robots with no real personalities beyond "good" or "bad" (which i'm inferring by the fact that the only characterization he bothered mentioning was the humans) used purely for cool special effects (which i get bored with fast unless there's a decent story behind it), with an incredibly bad human-focused script and lackluster acting (the only one he praised is shia, who's always pissed me off). no thanks.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:51 pm
by Phategod1
Does it bother anyone that Ratchett has no lines and Jazz does barely anything in the movie. My biggest fear is that they (the Transformers) would have no chracterization and it looks like I was right. Well the action looks tight.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:02 pm
by gogleman374
Ahh The Spolers They BURN!