D-340 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
They are complex. You have to know exactly what the Allspark does, what the Well of Allsparks is, why The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime, and how Optimus and Megatron are brothers. Or it will have you thinking that Sam went to "robot heaven" and was resurrected by a spiritual robot.
The movies, especially ROTF, never explains any of this. I still don't understand how and why only a Prime can kill the Fallen, yet Megatron can kill Optimus. So does that mean Megatron can kill the Fallen? That was never explained. Nor was it explained(in the movies)that Prime and Megs are brothers. Did Prime mean that metaphorically after Megs "death"(as in they are brothers cuz they are both Cybertronian), or that they are related? Never explained. The only thing we know of the Allspark, is that it turns mindless machines into sentient machines. Nothing is every explained on how the Transformers develop personalities, where their sparks come from, or even what a spark is in this continuity. Are sparks their souls? Their hearts? A random power source? If you know, enlighten me, cuz I haven't got a clue. And there is never a mention of any Well of Allsparks in the movies, unless I missed something.
I said you have to know what they are. You have to know alot about Transformers before going into the movie. A spark is like their heart, which is how Jetfire ripped out his spark, and The Fallen's spark was crushed in Optimus's hands. The Well of Allsparks isnt mentioned in the movie, but like I said, you have to know about TFs before going into th movie. And The Fallen can only be killed by a Prime because Primes have a special essense, somthing that makes them Primes, maybe part of Primus's spark maybe. This is the thing about series of movies, you cant really call out a plothole until all of the movies have been released, because you cant expect everything to be explained in one movie, when its supposed to be a series.
They are intense. The first movie...was not as intense as it could have been. But ROTF kept me at the edge of my seat the whole damn time I was watching it! I never knew what was going to happen next! I expected Ironhide to die and Bumblebee to defeat The Fallen and Optimus to be killed at the very end of the movie. It still keeps me on the edge of my seat after over a year, watching it on a small laptop screen it still keeps me excited.
The only intensity I got out both films were the action scenes.
That was you.
They are deep. I can tell yo're not a person that looks for everything in a movie. ROTF is deep but no one ever ses anything. I swear to hot dog piss there is somthing extremely deep in that movie. But I'm gonna see if any one can figure it out at all. Next time you watch the movie, pay attention to the backgrounds, certain dialogue, the locations, even the over all plot because all 3 of those things connect many times thruought the movie and no one even notices. And it may not have even been intentional, the important thing is is that this symbolism and connections are there.
I missing something here. Maybe you're reading way too much into ROTF, cuz it's about as deep as a shallow puddle. The only characterization in ROTF is really in the human characters, cuz hardly any of the TFs have any character at all. They just there because the movies are called Transformers. I'm sure if the writers could get away with it, the TFs would have no character at all. Hell, for the most part in ROTF they are just background any way, playing second fiddle to the absurd Sam/Mikeala love story. The only thing I really found complex in ROTF is how Devastator had wrecking ball testicles when not one Constructicon vehicle had wrecking balls.
I'm going to copy and paste one of my comments from another topic, because I feel like I'm repeating myself.
The Primes are assaciated with angels from what I can gather. Just watch the grave yard scene and Optimus is surrounded by angel statues. And The Fallen was a FALLEN Prime, so hes the ultimate traiter. Which is also why I think they changed it to 7 Primes rather than 13. And there is more to it too though. There is ALOT more of this type of symbolism in ROTF. I mean A FREKING LOT!
Even though it may be coencidence, its still there. Like the number 6 is supposed to mean imperfect or somthing to that effect. And Sam has it on his shirt at the end battle of the movie, but when he has that vision with the Primes, the shirt is blown to pieces with that sectoin missing. I doubt they ment to do this, but its still there.
Optimus has always been identified as a "Christ figure" the guy who comes in and dies to help every one else. Heres how this comes to mind, count how many days in the movie from Optimus's death to his resurrection in the end battle.
So, yeah, I may be reading way too into it, but never the less, its in there.
They do explore the complexities and darknesses in the human spirit. It is really simple. You see somthing from space, you dont know what it is, the only logical thing to do is the blow it to hell. Thats how most people think.
Um, when and where does this happen? Cuz I saw none of this. Were we watching the same movie? Cuz the ROTF you're describing sounds incredible. The ROTF I saw however was none of this. The one I saw was a disjointed mess of a thin plot that had potential, random action scenes and explosions, crude, low brow, second rate teen comedy humor(did we really need to see Sam's mom getting high on pot brownies? Or how about two scenes dedicated to one of Sam's dogs "dominating" the other one? How about John Tutorro's thong clad butt?), and really, REALLY lame attempt at a love story that will now have absolutely nothing to do with the third film at all being Megan Fox is now no longer involved with the film franchise at all. It's a shame really, cuz ROTF had a ton of potential and capitalized on none of it. But hey, at least we got some killer toys out of it.
They do it all the time in the movies! Humans see aliens then blow **** up!
Call me a Bay hater, as far as ROTF is concerned, I am. The first movie was good, not great, but enjoyable. ROTF was not. Here's to hoping the next one is better, but with what little info we got so far, including it's ridiculous title(yeah it may tie into whatever thin plot they come up with, but imho it's a lame title, and I'm not liking the whole tying the Transformers into the space race either) all hope for me enjoying it is lost. The only idea of this I enjoy is that it will be the last movie of the series.
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:50 am
(though countless 'of the' subtitles are not!')
