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[SlyTF1]

I...think I read most of it. Damn.

My mind =

[Fortress Rodimus]

Man that is funny. I can't believe that anyone would even try to bring the different transformer stories together. They are all to different. It would be like someone trying to put all the Tenchi or Gundam stories together it will never work. But this was a great read. I might pick up the book.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see that you were one of the few who, like me, made it through nearly all of that.

I was doing my dialysis tratement at the time, so I had loads of time on my hands.

[Insidious]

Haven't read nearly all of this as yet. But, having skimmed through parts, I had to make it a point to drop in a line of kudos. The effort it must have taken to put this together...

Yeah. Kudos.

[Shadowman]

Man that is funny. I can't believe that anyone would even try to bring the different transformer stories together. They are all to different. It would be like someone trying to put all the Tenchi or Gundam stories together it will never work. But this was a great read. I might pick up the book.

With Gundam, they're pretty straight-up when it comes to continuity. Each calender (Universal Century, Anno Domini, Cosmic Era, etc.) is a different continuity. Except for Gundam X, which is supposed to be an alternate future for Universal Century, and Turn-A Gundam which is (As I have been told seeing as how I haven't watch Turn-A yet) a sort of mix of all continuities somehow mashed together. it helped differentiate thigns when you realize that in nearly each continuity, Mobile Suits are fairly new inventions.

[Ultra Markus]

its like comparing the G1 cartoon with the G1 comic by marvel
they are very different may be same characters but different origins and stories

[Sabrblade]

Oh, I am loving this feedback! Whether positive or negative, I don't care! It's all good conversation.

I think I closed my mind off when I read it. I only noticed a handful of descrepancies when I read it, but they would only be descrepancies based on what source the reader chooses to christen the truth.

The only real differences that I wanted to point out as discrepencies were those existing between Exodus and WFC. The rest were to show that Exodus isn't a prequel to any existing fiction, but is really the start of a new era.

I think Hasbro, when they commisioned this book, acknowledged that their cash cow had reached so many people through different incarnations that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to establish a true prequel to all versions of Transformers, so it focused more on producing a solid origin that honored what, in my opinion, most fans have declared their favorite approaches. [Plus the author is left to add his own favorites, which Alex mentioned in a recent interview].

Precisely. This is to show that it doesn't fit with any other series since it's its own entity linked only really with the Prime cartoon (and with WFC only via the characters' physical appearances).

Once again, only opinion, but I loved the book because it incorporated or acknowledged the main canons.

More like it just handpicked little elements from past series and incorporated them into this story while discarding everything else. Though, it's better off that way as a separate piece of fiction from the rest of them.

Ratbat was his G1 comics version I believe,

Or his G1 IDW self. I think it was that one that had him as a Senator.

Prime his Dreamwave War Within version kinda,

More like a blend between his G1 cartoon and War Within self (cartoon Orion Pax name, War Within data clerk occupation).

and I think the simmer to a boil approach to the Prime/Megatron war of ideals rocked. it gives something from our childhood an awesome dramatic weight.

Oh, yes! I loved the dynamic in the realtionship between Orion Pax and Megatron all throughout the book.

I know this thread's for focusing on the differences and not opinion, but I think DK's Ultimate Guide by Simon Furman should be due for a revision and they should ask you to work with him.

-- In your above statements, you said of the Unicron Trilogy that Rodimus was the only other Autobot leader, however do not forget Vector Prime, as this would also follow the topic.

Allow me to explain why I left out Vector Prime. While an "Ask Vector Prime" answer did say that he was a leader long ago, we must remember that the Unicron Trilogy is not his home dimension. Being what he is, he has none. Therefore, we cannot say for certain that he was leader in that particular world (and that answer does seem kinda puzzling considering the nature of his being).

Plus, the Japanese version (being the authentic version of the story) used the rank of "Convoy" to define the Autobot leaders of that series, and Vector Prime was still called "Vector Prime" (instead of "Vector Convoy") in Japan as well. Both Optimus Prime and Rodimus held this rank (Optimus Prime was "Convoy" then "Grand Convoy" then "Galaxy Convoy"; and Rodimus was "Rodimus Convoy"), but Vector Prime did not.

Vector Prime was something a little more sacred than an Autobot leader.

Man that is funny. I can't believe that anyone would even try to bring the different transformer stories together. They are all to different. It would be like someone trying to put all the Tenchi or Gundam stories together it will never work. But this was a great read. I might pick up the book.

Who said that they were trying to blend them all together? This was originally intended to contrast the book and the game it was based off of, as well as debunk any assumptions that the book is prequel to G1/the movies/anything that isn't the Prime cartoon.

its like comparing the G1 cartoon with the G1 comic by marvel
they are very different may be same characters but different origins and stories

True, very true indeed.

[Fearing]

its like comparing the G1 cartoon with the G1 comic by marvel
they are very different may be same characters but different origins and stories

Exactly, as much as people try to make the different incarnations fit, even when it seems like they are supposed to, they never really do. Often with things like G1 they don't even fit with themselves. For detailed purposed you really have to take each different property as completely separate. As a fan, my favorite stuff will probably always be G1 because that's what I grew up with. As much as I'd like the see that exact continuity further explored and expanded, I probably never will, but with all the similarities and whatnot, it's not terribly difficult to make your own unofficial continuity for yourself if you really want to get the further adventures of your favorites.

Personally loving G1, I tend to look at it as a fableized version of Transformers history; innaccurate tales told of Transformers history that were designed as stories to tell children (which is what they actually were anyway), but were never too historically accurate. That's how I looked at it when reading the Dreamwave G1 years back, and that's kinda how I looked at it while reading Exodus. Officially they aren't REALLY in the same continuity and they don't technically fit together AT ALL, but looking at G1 that fableized way they can sort of unofficially fit, and for me as big fan of G1 giving it that unofficial connection in my mind gives it the resonance of those characters from my childhood even if they aren't officially connected.

This list is a great example of how the different continuities will never actually fit, and that people should probably stop trying to make some official connection. Hasbro clearly realizes this and seems to be starting everything from scratch with Exodus and Prime and that's probably for the best, but I wouldn't mind some more fun stuff like Exodus that I can have my own personal connections with.

[G1 Smoketreader]

For the decision to do this.

For the strength to do this (I'm sure it was a labor of love).

For the result.

Well done.I'll come back to read more and I recommend and vote that this gets copied and pasted into a Wiki page to remain in history forever so that it doesn't fade away into the deep dark depths of the old posts lists.

Brilliant,Sabrblade.You deserve to choose a new name for yourself as a trophy.

(Edit: My own fooling around with my name does not put me in your league,it's just cheaper than buying lots of new hats).

[Sabrblade]

Exactly, as much as people try to make the different incarnations fit, even when it seems like they are supposed to, they never really do. Often with things like G1 they don't even fit with themselves. For detailed purposed you really have to take each different property as completely separate. As a fan, my favorite stuff will probably always be G1 because that's what I grew up with. As much as I'd like the see that exact continuity further explored and expanded, I probably never will, but with all the similarities and whatnot, it's not terribly difficult to make your own unofficial continuity for yourself if you really want to get the further adventures of your favorites.

Personally loving G1, I tend to look at it as a fableized version of Transformers history; innaccurate tales told of Transformers history that were designed as stories to tell children (which is what they actually were anyway), but were never too historically accurate. That's how I looked at it when reading the Dreamwave G1 years back, and that's kinda how I looked at it while reading Exodus. Officially they aren't REALLY in the same continuity and they don't technically fit together AT ALL, but looking at G1 that fableized way they can sort of unofficially fit, and for me as big fan of G1 giving it that unofficial connection in my mind gives it the resonance of those characters from my childhood even if they aren't officially connected.

This list is a great example of how the different continuities will never actually fit, and that people should probably stop trying to make some official connection. Hasbro clearly realizes this and seems to be starting everything from scratch with Exodus and Prime and that's probably for the best, but I wouldn't mind some more fun stuff like Exodus that I can have my own personal connections with.

Technically, while all the different versions of each story do not fit together with each other in a linked sense, they do all fit together in the grand scheme of things by having them set within their own Universal Streams in the Multiverse.

For just the Aligned Continuity Family alone, there are at least six different versions of the story told by WFC, Exodus, and Prime.

• WFC (console game) --> millions of years pass --> Prime (graphic novel) --> Prime (cartoon)
• WFC comic --> WFC (console game) --> millions of years pass --> Prime (graphic novel) --> Prime cartoon
• WFC timeline --> WFC (console game) --> millions of years pass --> Prime (graphic novel) --> Prime (cartoon)
• WFC (DS game) --> millions of years pass --> Prime (graphic novel) --> Prime (cartoon)
• Cybertron Adventures --> millions of year pass --> Prime (graphic novel) --> Prime cartoon
• Exodus --> millions of years pass --> Prime (graphic novel) --> Prime (cartoon)

NOTE: Red arrows symbolize an impossible connection. I also left out both the WFC sequel and the Exodus sequel until we have more info on them than what we already have.

:APPLAUSE:
For the decision to do this.

For the strength to do this (I'm sure it was a labor of love).

For the result.

Well done.I'll come back to read more and I recommend and vote that this gets copied and pasted into a Wiki page to remain in history forever so that it doesn't fade away into the deep dark depths of the old posts lists.

Brilliant,Sabrblade.You deserve to choose a new name for yourself as a trophy.

(Edit: My own fooling around with my name does not put me in your league,it's just cheaper than buying lots of new hats).

But, I like my name.