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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Megatron Wolf » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:56 pm

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only way these wont suck is if they decide to make movies instead of 3 hour long car commercials. Heres some ideas, More robot story less humans, decepticons are characters too not just cannon fodder, if a car company gives you a vehicle try and make it a character that actually fits the vehicle just dont slap a name on it cause you have the trademark, more realism less "cause it looks good", explain things just dont do, sit the writers down in front of a tv and make them watch the various TF series so they know what the franchise is really about(other than selling toys), steven spielburg or james cameron to direct, restaff rest of production crew, redesign the bots keeping in mind that they are ROBTOS in disguise not cars that turn into robots. At least LaBeouf will be gone.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Flashwave » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:35 pm

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I see this plea at least once a week on this website. You guys DO realize that a Transformers movie with no Earth and no humans would literally kill this franchise, right?

Do you honestly think your casual movie-goer wants to see that? No, they don't. They want to see high-stakes action that makes them gasp and think "Oh my God, what if that did happen here?" The second you take away that human element, we're back to praying for the next Beast Wars to pull the franchise out of the fire.

You want movie-verse prequels and sequels with no humans that take place on Cybertron? Go buy IDW's Movie Prequel and Reign of Starscream comics. They're fun, and they have a majority of robot action.

And as for Statham and Bay? Yeah, I'd be down for that. That would probably be amazing, actually. I would like to see Shia cameo, though.


Yes, because movies that are filmed in a location other than earth such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Avatar, or other such no named movies were such a flop. Hell, even animated movies such as Toy Story had very little human elements in there but people enjoyed them...


Respectfully, I have to disagree with most of your comparisons there. Toy Story is the only one that's not trully human, but you can't say there weren't human elements. Everything else, they are humans. Whether it's Corusant, Madison, Los Angles, or Mission City, we relate to Humans. And as far as Toy Story, they not only have humans elements, but we held them as family at one time. You can't tell me you never had some kind of doll or teddy bear in your childhood, and the vast majorityy of us had them as companions, venting listeners, and friends we could hide from the world with. That's the relation.

Could a Human/TF movie in space work? I think so. But would Avatar have been as good if we humans weren't the aggresors? Would pople have understood the morale to that story if it were blue people versus some green dudes? Not likely. No matter where the setting is, the audience just can't relate to a story as easily if the characters aren't like them. Do you talk to your truck? Have yo had a tea party with your Hatchback? Probably not, so odds are your Hatchback getting shot by somebody's Lamborghini isn't going to draw tears from Joe Blow.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby lowman_x » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:09 pm

starwarrior1227 wrote:its discussions and situations like these that make me wonder...
what would happen if the label "Transformers" was owned by Marvel and not hasbro?
would the movies be better? would the toys suck? or do we just not care...


Seeing as how I'm more of a TF comic fan than a TF toy/cartoon fan I'd be inclined to like that idea. ;)
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby starscreamreturns » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:10 pm

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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby lowman_x » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:32 pm

acchillyaout wrote:Enough of the Transformer Movie bashing. Sheesh. I have been a transformer fan longer than all of you put together. Take them for what they are. They have mainstreamed Transformers and made it "cool" for people to openly support the franchise. Let's be honest, Transformers were drek between G1 and Beast Wars. They are finally coming around again, espically with the Generations figure line. The first movie was great. The second movie was filmed during the writer's strike and the plot had to be constructed and tied together in the editing room. Oh, but all you cyber-nerds fail to mention that. The third movie was a BLOCK-BUSTER!

It does not matter who they cast for Movie 4 & 5. If you are a true fan, go support the Transformers. Otherwise, how are we to ensure they remain around, besides just cheesy comics. So quite your whinning booger-eaters and stop being so judemental. I seriously doubt and complainers (lowman_x) would have done a better job.

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I never said I would have "done a better job". I'm saying (as others here have too) that we don't have to settle for badly written material, poor direction of everything but the action scenes, massive plot holes, and terrible characterisation. I teach film-making so I would hope I'm able to sniff out a badly written film seeing as how I have a (more-than-passing) interest in the industry. Seeing as how the 2nd and 3rd ones stunk pretty badly it wasn't hard to sniff out. What I did say was that there are plenty of other directors and writers out there who COULD do a better job than Bay and co.

As to its "blockbuster" status: yes, they all were blockbusters. They were all popcorn-munching, visually stunning (visually confusing and hard to follow in a lot of respects), summer-time blockbusters. I don't disagree with you. I'm saying, as the movie-going public and fans of the franchise that we should expect a slightly higher standard of story.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Burn » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:46 pm

acchillyaout wrote:I have been a transformer fan longer than all of you put together.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... that's funny. Do you make a living as a comedian?
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby MightyMagnus78 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:53 pm

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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Ultra Markus » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:40 pm

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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

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From an action figure stand point, filming back to back would do wonders for the toyline. At least for the 5th film as Hasbro will have a huge leadtime in getting product developed.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby adiprizio829 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:09 pm

I have been coming to this site for several years and never posted. I sat back and watched Michael Bay's abortion of a movie he called the transformers. I think we all agree why the moves blatantly sucked and I'm not going into detail about that. I want to ask everyone a question. I bet most of you guys are Star Wars fans and all enjoyed the 1985 movie. With that said why the F*&! wouldn't they just do a live action version of that. It was a Star Wars style space drama that made you feel for the characters. I challenge anyone here to tell me the Michael bay movies are better than the 1985 animated movie.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby El Duque » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:49 pm

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Just like the first time around, the Jason Statham rumor has been put to rest. This time by Statham himself. MTV recently asked the action star about his possible involvement in the future of the Transformers movie franchise, and this is what he had to say:

"You know, I don't know how those things start. You read them. Someone told me about it. [But] the internet is a dangerous place," he laughed. "There's a lot of stuff out there."

Not to say that Statham would be completely opposed to a "Transformers" movie: "I've got a lot of stuff in front of me, but Michael Bay is a talented man. This last one just made a billion dollars around the world, so people like his films. He's a talented man."


Click here to view the original article on MTV Movie Blog, which includes video of Statham debunking the rumor.

Director Michael Bay also dropped by his Shoot for the Edit forums to address the rumors that have been circulating around the internet:

Originally Posted by michaelbay
I am currently not talking to Paramount on T4 and T5 despite reports. I'm looking at a lot of possibilities coming my way right now weighing options. Most likely going to be doing the low budget Pain and Gain, a true story crime thriller. It's a very quick shoot and quite funny. Also just finishing the 3 disc set of the Transformer trilogy.

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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Burn » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:06 am

adiprizio829 wrote:I challenge anyone here to tell me the Michael bay movies are better than the 1985 animated movie.


I challenge you to go read all the other threads where the movies have been debated endlessly instead of cluttering up ANOTHER news thread.

P.S. Welcome to the forums, enjoying catching up on the differences of opinion.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:50 am

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Here we go again.

Definitely not interested in a TF 4 or 5 if its going to be anything like the first 3.
I just want to say, that for those who seem to think that the movies have done so much for the franchise, and brought in more fans, and more revenue... does that really matter? I get wanting cool toys, thats a given... but if its at the cost of hording in average joes and dullards to a fandom who don't really care about what Transformers are really about (Safely say every other TF fiction other than the movies), then screw the revenue, screw the extended franchise life. If TF magically somehow died tomorrow and all I was left with was everything we had up till now and no more movies. Give it to me.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby dinogeist » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:59 am

RhA wrote:
Scatman Jazz wrote:Ahahahahaha, let's hope this is not true. It's funny, I'm actually laughing at Michael Bay returning more than Jason Statham's rumored casting. I knew he wasn't stupid enough to walk away from the never ending gold mine that is the Transformer movie series. Would love to see another director get their hands on it, but hey, you know what they say: if it isn't broken, don't try fixing it. From an overall stand point, these movies need a complete overhaul in every category except for visuals. But hey, the fans eat it up, so why bother?


Except for you, that is. Because you have an opinion and are not affraid to use it online.

Hurray for TF 4 BTW.


I think TF 4 & 5 are great. but please let TF 4 be in theathres in 2015.
this way we get 3 years for the TF Prime & generations toys to be as awesome as possible with tons of new molds.

I Think any live action TF movie without shia le barf will be awesome.
as he was a bad actor & could only do comedy. thus the TF movie scripts & dialogue were taiored around shia le barf's talentless skills.

I think A TF 4 & 5 with a whole brand new team of deceticons can work. we can get galvatron,cyclonus,scourge,blitzwing,overlord,all 5 1986 predacons that combine to form predaking.

I think to make things interesting some of the autobots from TF3 can get new alt modes. we can get newer characters like all 5 g-1 dinobots that combine to for a combiner. hotrod that powers up into rodimus prime,tripple changer springer,double dealer that's loyal to the autobots,metrolex.

I'd like a time jump travel movie. where transformers from the future travel to the past to cause trouble or to protect it.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:48 am

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adiprizio829 wrote:I challenge anyone here to tell me the Michael bay movies are better than the 1985 animated movie.


Challenge accepted. The Bayverse movies are better than the Animated movie. The critics, box office and general consensus all prove it to be so. Those are facts. On a personal level? The original movie stunk.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:From an action figure stand point, filming back to back would do wonders for the toyline. At least for the 5th film as Hasbro will have a huge leadtime in getting product developed.


I agree, however, I think there would be a lot of bad blood between fans and between fans and Hasbro. Some do love 'em, some are downright sick of them. With the way they put things on the back burner, you'd be hard pressed to see Generations for at least a year or more.

El Duque wrote:Just like the first time around, the Jason Statham rumor has been put to rest. This time by Statham himself. MTV recently asked the action star about his possible involvement in the future of the Transformers movie franchise, and this is what he had to say:

"You know, I don't know how those things start. You read them. Someone told me about it. [But] the internet is a dangerous place," he laughed. "There's a lot of stuff out there."

Not to say that Statham would be completely opposed to a "Transformers" movie: "I've got a lot of stuff in front of me, but Michael Bay is a talented man. This last one just made a billion dollars around the world, so people like his films. He's a talented man."


Click here to view the original article on MTV Movie Blog, which includes video of Statham debunking the rumor.

Director Michael Bay also dropped by his Shoot for the Edit forums to address the rumors that have been circulating around the internet:

Originally Posted by michaelbay
I am currently not talking to Paramount on T4 and T5 despite reports. I'm looking at a lot of possibilities coming my way right now weighing options. Most likely going to be doing the low budget Pain and Gain, a true story crime thriller. It's a very quick shoot and quite funny. Also just finishing the 3 disc set of the Transformer trilogy.

Michael


Statham didn't directly say yes or no. That was well worded, but danced around the issue.
As for Bay, he's outright lied to us countless times. When both Variety and The Hollywood Reporter mention this, there's something to it. If nothing else, they're at least talking. Contrary to what he claims.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Here we go again.

Definitely not interested in a TF 4 or 5 if its going to be anything like the first 3.
I just want to say, that for those who seem to think that the movies have done so much for the franchise, and brought in more fans, and more revenue... does that really matter? I get wanting cool toys, thats a given... but if its at the cost of hording in average joes and dullards to a fandom who don't really care about what Transformers are really about (Safely say every other TF fiction other than the movies), then screw the revenue, screw the extended franchise life. If TF magically somehow died tomorrow and all I was left with was everything we had up till now and no more movies. Give it to me.
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Yes, it does really matter. Average Joes, I can't comment on, but I can tell you that you're outright wrong on some of the converts being dullards. Just because they're n00b fans doesn't mean their desire is any less powerful than any of our's.

You act like the fandom belongs only to you. It doesn't. The doors are open to people of all ages and we should welcome them, not shun them.

If it wasn't for the increased revenue and popularity, we'd probably be facing a Power Rangers situation. The media sucked, except for RPM, the toys were stripped of their Japanese awesomeness and downsized along with entire features gutted, just to make them cheap enough to produce and sell. I remember what the original Power Rangers toys were like. Today's don't even compare. Trust me, you do not want that to happen to TransFormers. The movies pretty much saved the entire franchise when it was in danger of going stagnant. Proven fact? The movies and toyline did over a billion in 2007. The AEC trilogy pulled in about $75 mill. Google it, it's out there.

The movies were fun and breathtaking. Somewhat stupid, I admit, but it's a small price to pay to get what we want, and we do get what we want.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby noctorro » Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:44 am

Here we go again.

I cannot understand why Bay would want to do another TF movie. He's rich, let him do Bad Boys III or something.

As for Statham, he's like Vin Diesel/Arnold/Sylvester. Would you really want a Die Hard movie with transforming cars?

Shia played the "Spike" character, G1 didn't have an action hero with a robot sidekick. The Transformers are the fighters, not the humans. And Josh Duhamel was a side character. I don't think it would work if the main human character is a fighter-like dude.

My opinion: "Leave the trilogy alone, wait a few years and start fresh with new writers, director, actors etc."

A Transformers movie with say Bryan Singer (directing) would have less "pretty action shots" but it would have story and the characters would have... character.

+ All the designs need to be new/fresh.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Blackstreak » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:29 am

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So they both neither deny nor confirm the rumors. But both don't seem to be in the talks on the project. Personally, I think Jason Statham became a part of this rumor only because of his relationship w/ Rosey Huntington-Whiteley. It seems people want to see them both in a movie together. Rather than fuel rumors, I'll just wait to see what really happens.
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Postby Sodan-1 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:04 am

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I apologise as this is slightly off topic, but a couple of people's comments stood out at me a bit. I remember seeing similar comments when Linkin Park released Iridescent. I won't mention names (partly because I can't be arsed to go back and check who said what) but can we avoid assuming that we are a bigger fan of Transformers than others because of what we believe?

Is there a rule that states how a true fan should feel about certain aspects of whatever they follow? Is a true fan someone who loves the subject unconditionally no matter what they do? Or is it someone who has the courage to say "hang on a second, I don't like where you're going with this"? The only right answer to this question is that there is no right answer. We can only answer for ourselves, and I'm sure we all have damn good reasons for feeling that way. It's these differences that lead to constructive debates, but some seem to insinuate that they are automatically right and others are wrong.
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I'm certain that the Statham rumours only started because of his relationship with Rosie and his 'Death Race' co-star Tyrese...

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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Dre Merc » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:25 am

Well, I don't see the point in placing Shia as lead. He can't play the quirky boy and his (pet)car role because he's an adult. I was amused by his comedic antics, but I've had enough. I can say the same about Bay's insistance on humor. Someone mentioned they'd like to see JJ Abrams be the director. I think that would be excellent.

As far as a movie set on Cybertron.. wow some people really think that would work? Lifeless dark grey shifting steel structures as backgrounds, and grey protoform robots that won't "disguise?" Shhyeah.. that would work.

I think they should have both a human and a bot without voice issues lead.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby LadyBug » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:48 am

Dre Merc wrote:As far as a movie set on Cybertron.. wow some people really think that would work? Lifeless dark grey shifting steel structures as backgrounds, and grey protoform robots that won't "disguise?" Shhyeah.. that would work.


If Tron: Legacy can create a world in CGI; I'm sure that they will have no problem with making Cybertron. And I think it would be awesome if we get a prequel that is based on Cybertron, but I think that we won't get to see it in a live action is because they are doing all of this Cybertron based stuff with the Prime universe + War for Cybertron/Exodus/Exiles continuities.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby vegetacron » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:54 am

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Challenge accepted. The Bayverse movies are better than the Animated movie. The critics, box office and general consensus all prove it to be so. Those are facts. On a personal level? The original movie stunk.


Thats a bad Bayformer! Bad! Get off the internetz!

Anyhow, in regards to the news: I think it would be need to see Jason Stratham as the lead in the future TF movies and also think it would be just mighty swell i Paramount didn't bring Micheal Bay back to Transformers. Keep the CGI guys, but lets bump this director and get someone a bit better.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby vegetacron » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:08 am

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Sodan-1 wrote:I apologise as this is slightly off topic, but a couple of people's comments stood out at me a bit. I remember seeing similar comments when Linkin Park released Iridescent. I won't mention names (partly because I can't be arsed to go back and check who said what) but can we avoid assuming that we are a bigger fan of Transformers than others because of what we believe?

Is there a rule that states how a true fan should feel about certain aspects of whatever they follow? Is a true fan someone who loves the subject unconditionally no matter what they do? Or is it someone who has the courage to say "hang on a second, I don't like where you're going with this"? The only right answer to this question is that there is no right answer. We can only answer for ourselves, and I'm sure we all have damn good reasons for feeling that way. It's these differences that lead to constructive debates, but some seem to insinuate that they are automatically right and others are wrong.


You will find that there are generally two types of Transformer fans: Generation 1 fans and Bayformer fans.

Gen1 fans are the 30 somethings of today that grew up play with the original Tranformers back in the early to mid 80s and actually loved watching the 80s cartoons.

Bayformers are fans under 30 that either grew up in the 2000s or were teenyboppers when the first Bayformer movie came out. Bayformer fans love the Micheal Bay Transformer movies because really, that was their first exposure to intellectual property.

Most Gen1 fans just get along and except the Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the ****** in the room that we all take pity on and graciously thank them for spending money on an IP that we grew up with. If it wasn't for them and Micheal Bay, we wouldn't have all this great Gen1 revival stuf that Hasbro keeps making.

Bayformer fans have something to prove. They generally hate the history of Transformers and believe that the true continuity is that of what Micheal Bay and Co have produced on the silver screen. To them Micheal Bay is the god of all Transformerdom.

Kinda ****** all around, but it is what it is. I stopped posting here as much because quite frankly, I rarely have the patience for the Bayformer fans. I just want them to kee0p watching the movies and buying the crap Bayformer stuff that comes out so we G1 fans keep getting the good Gen1 stuff.

So as my good friend John would say "Proooooceeed wit da bullshit!" lol
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Marcdachamp » Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:40 am

_Anshin_ wrote:Yes, because movies that are filmed in a location other than earth such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Avatar, or other such no named movies were such a flop. Hell, even animated movies such as Toy Story had very little human elements in there but people enjoyed them because they were well written and not just giant explosions and lots of car chases. People are able to relate to a decent story line even if the characters are not human but display basic human traits. You see this is shown slightly with the movie Transformers and more with some of the animated stuff.

I am an avid fan. I read the comics, read the books, play the games, have the comics and the figures. Chances are if you are seeing this "plea" once a week then there is a very good chance that people actually want to see it and not just spend money watching a guy play with his toys and get paid to blow them up.


Flashwave wrote:Respectfully, I have to disagree with most of your comparisons there. Toy Story is the only one that's not trully human, but you can't say there weren't human elements. Everything else, they are humans. Whether it's Corusant, Madison, Los Angles, or Mission City, we relate to Humans. And as far as Toy Story, they not only have humans elements, but we held them as family at one time. You can't tell me you never had some kind of doll or teddy bear in your childhood, and the vast majorityy of us had them as companions, venting listeners, and friends we could hide from the world with. That's the relation.

Could a Human/TF movie in space work? I think so. But would Avatar have been as good if we humans weren't the aggresors? Would pople have understood the morale to that story if it were blue people versus some green dudes? Not likely. No matter where the setting is, the audience just can't relate to a story as easily if the characters aren't like them. Do you talk to your truck? Have yo had a tea party with your Hatchback? Probably not, so odds are your Hatchback getting shot by somebody's Lamborghini isn't going to draw tears from Joe Blow.


Flashwave just summed it up much better than I could. Could humans/TFs in space work? Yes. It would be a tougher sell, and I still think you'd be better off putting at least some of it on Earth, but I never said TFs and humans in space wouldn't work. TFs in space without humans? That WOULD fail. Anshin, every movie you listed there has humans in it. Your aruduement doesn't work.

Also, let's keep in mind that the TF movie with the least amount of humans in it is also the one that performed the worst at the box office.
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