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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby D-340 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:07 am

Autobot032 wrote:I can't help it... lol

adiprizio829 wrote:I challenge anyone here to tell me the Michael bay movies are better than the 1985 animated movie.


Challenge accepted. The Bayverse movies are better than the Animated movie. The critics, box office and general consensus all prove it to be so. Those are facts. On a personal level? The original movie stunk.



While I won't argue your opinion, the only thing the live action movies have over the animated movie from '86 is the box office. Critically, all the movies have been torn to shreds. And the general consensus, I'm pretty sure there are just as many fans of the animated movie as the live action movies. That's why a 20th anniversary edition of the animated movie was released back in '06.

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Lol, yeah, I doubt that.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Marcdachamp » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:09 am

vegetacron wrote:You will find that there are generally two types of Transformer fans: Generation 1 fans and Bayformer fans.

Gen1 fans are the 30 somethings of today that grew up play with the original Tranformers back in the early to mid 80s and actually loved watching the 80s cartoons.

Bayformers are fans under 30 that either grew up in the 2000s or were teenyboppers when the first Bayformer movie came out. Bayformer fans love the Micheal Bay Transformer movies because really, that was their first exposure to intellectual property.

Most Gen1 fans just get along and except the Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the ****** in the room that we all take pity on and graciously thank them for spending money on an IP that we grew up with. If it wasn't for them and Micheal Bay, we wouldn't have all this great Gen1 revival stuf that Hasbro keeps making.

Bayformer fans have something to prove. They generally hate the history of Transformers and believe that the true continuity is that of what Micheal Bay and Co have produced on the silver screen. To them Micheal Bay is the god of all Transformerdom.

Kinda ****** all around, but it is what it is. I stopped posting here as much because quite frankly, I rarely have the patience for the Bayformer fans. I just want them to kee0p watching the movies and buying the crap Bayformer stuff that comes out so we G1 fans keep getting the good Gen1 stuff.

So as my good friend John would say "Proooooceeed wit da bullshit!" lol


Wow. I don't even know where to begin with this, other than to call out how ridiculously condescending you are.

First off, I was born in 1985, and I grew up on a mix of G1 and G2. I fell in love with Beast Wars, my interest lapsed a bit, came back for RiD and Armada, my interest lapsed a bit, I came back for the movie and I've stuck around since.

This "True fan vs. untrue fan" stuff is ludicrous and makes the whole fanbase look bad.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:32 am

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Autobot032 wrote:Yes, it does really matter. Average Joes, I can't comment on, but I can tell you that you're outright wrong on some of the converts being dullards. Just because they're n00b fans doesn't mean their desire is any less powerful than any of our's.

You act like the fandom belongs only to you. It doesn't. The doors are open to people of all ages and we should welcome them, not shun them.

If it wasn't for the increased revenue and popularity, we'd probably be facing a Power Rangers situation. The media sucked, except for RPM, the toys were stripped of their Japanese awesomeness and downsized along with entire features gutted, just to make them cheap enough to produce and sell. I remember what the original Power Rangers toys were like. Today's don't even compare. Trust me, you do not want that to happen to TransFormers. The movies pretty much saved the entire franchise when it was in danger of going stagnant. Proven fact? The movies and toyline did over a billion in 2007. The AEC trilogy pulled in about $75 mill. Google it, it's out there.

The movies were fun and breathtaking. Somewhat stupid, I admit, but it's a small price to pay to get what we want, and we do get what we want.


I just said I don't care about the money. Or even if the quality is roughed out and sub par. Atleast it might have some substance instead of a total misdirection of what the Transformers are about. Yea, I do feel TF belongs to me, because I have been a loyal supporter of it. Thats called customer loyalty of any product or service. Its the feeling that a customer has that ensures they stay with the product that is instilled by the company or organization. When the consumer, i.g. me, feels betrayed by one of their huge products, its a loss of a costumer due to this change in product image or form.
I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Marcdachamp » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:50 am

MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.


But that's YOUR opinion of what Transformers are and YOUR opinion of the quality of those films.

At the end of the day, there are tons of different ways you can get Transformers related things that satisfy your interest: comics, toys, DVDs, bobbleheads... the fact of the matter is, you wouldn't be able to get those things without the movies doing well, and fans of those movies aren't constantly wishing that all the G1 stuff disappears.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby NatsumeRyu » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:59 am

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vegetacron wrote:You will find that there are generally two types of Transformer fans: Generation 1 fans and Bayformer fans.

Gen1 fans are the 30 somethings of today that grew up play with the original Tranformers back in the early to mid 80s and actually loved watching the 80s cartoons.

Bayformers are fans under 30 that either grew up in the 2000s or were teenyboppers when the first Bayformer movie came out. Bayformer fans love the Micheal Bay Transformer movies because really, that was their first exposure to intellectual property.


I really honestly believe that there should be a solid poll about this before we all assume that the vocal minority posters represent one of two general halves on Seibertron.

I was born in 1990. I grew up with Beast Wars, and later the series that followed. I was 17 when Transformers (2007) came out, and focusing on which colleges had my chosen career in video games available, and also happened to be going around Europe that summer. I recognized Transformers before they became the live-action films. But. It was Bayformers that taught me that there was an fandom, and the aesthetics really clicked with me, so since then I have actively bought product besides the shows.


vegetacron wrote:Most Gen1 fans just get along and except the Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the ****** in the room that we all take pity on and graciously thank them for spending money on an IP that we grew up with. If it wasn't for them and Micheal Bay, we wouldn't have all this great Gen1 revival stuf that Hasbro keeps making.


Sure, I'm spending my money to support this. That's my choice, and I hope that in the future you won't patronize anyone who does, because you automatically generalize that we're ****** who don't know any better, or who can't be better. Yes, the younglings can post stupid stuff. That's true anywhere you see people, not just here, not just on the internet. It's far more beneficial to point out specifically what is detrimental in their posts, and then hope that the parents have taken responsibility for teaching their children how to take constructive criticism. If they don't, that's what rules, bans, moderators, etc. are for, again, done while pointing out specifically what the problem is, so that they have a better opportunity for redeeming themselves if they so choose.

vegetacron wrote:Bayformer fans have something to prove. They generally hate the history of Transformers and believe that the true continuity is that of what Micheal Bay and Co have produced on the silver screen. To them Micheal Bay is the god of all Transformerdom.


Yes, I do have something to prove here. I would like to prove that I'm not out against all the rest of the fans, granted, I'm not just a 'bayformer fan,' but it is the continuity I am most passionate about.
I do not believe in a "true" continuity anymore than a true fan, nor do I hail Michael Bay as a person anymore than anyone else related to Transformers.

And I get along just fine with plenty of fans, G1 or otherwise.
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I had friends on facebook posting the initial rumour about Jason coming on, and I simply let them know that there wasn't any concrete evidence to support it, and that this rumour had been shot down months before. I'm seriously wondering who brought it up in the first place, and whether it was the same person who has brought it up now, or if someone just dredged it up. Plenty of people still aren't aware of the initial rumour, as it was.

As for the next Transformers films, as I've stated before, I wouldn't mind a reboot. I'm going to miss the movieverse, but I, just as much as the next person, don't want it to wear its welcome out with the world and end on the worst note possible. Plus they've given us plenty of characters and designs to play with for years to come.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:05 am

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MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.


But that's YOUR opinion of what Transformers are and YOUR opinion of the quality of those films.

At the end of the day, there are tons of different ways you can get Transformers related things that satisfy your interest: comics, toys, DVDs, bobbleheads... the fact of the matter is, you wouldn't be able to get those things without the movies doing well, and fans of those movies aren't constantly wishing that all the G1 stuff disappears.


Okay... i'll say it again so everyone can be clear on... MY opinion (no $#*! it is, you all keep pointing that out like I keep forgetting it is).

I don't care if TFs remained in the state it was before the movies came out. Even if it was at this crappy stage where it was just trodding along doing okay here and there, I would prefer that over the situation now, where someone will see my Decepticon tattoo and yell OPTIMUS! like some poser who just wants one more piece of popular trend to belong to.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby starwarrior1227 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:05 am

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Marcdachamp wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.


But that's YOUR opinion of what Transformers are and YOUR opinion of the quality of those films.

At the end of the day, there are tons of different ways you can get Transformers related things that satisfy your interest: comics, toys, DVDs, bobbleheads... the fact of the matter is, you wouldn't be able to get those things without the movies doing well, and fans of those movies aren't constantly wishing that all the G1 stuff disappears.


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that is true that is your opinion but this isn't to say there are others of the same opinions. in the end the movie will be about how the transformers are viewed from the one who offers the most money. or directs it.
and i personally think there are little differences between michael's movie tones and the "others".
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2. the "others" have the transformers as more human like in which they have more human conflicts and actions.ex: rodimus springer arcee love V and things like jazz killing a human and not being psychotically same.

3.M.'s is more serious / the "others" are for the kids.

in the end i wish the "others" had more action and kept everything else. while i wish M.'s had A LOT LESS human backstory and more drama about the TFs and them being more human in psychology(love, wishes, internal conflicts, and same-side conflicts(ei:IDW ironhide hating mirage because mirage was believed to be a betrayer).
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:17 am

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MINDVVIPE wrote:I just said I don't care about the money. Or even if the quality is roughed out and sub par. Atleast it might have some substance instead of a total misdirection of what the Transformers are about.


Wait...wait... How can it have quality and substance if it's "roughed out and sub par"? That makes absolutely no sense, you do see that, right? After reading that, I have no idea what you actually want. For all of my dislike for G1, even I have to say there was enough quality to it. Even it wasn't "roughed out and sub par". Well, at least not all of the time. So, obviously G1 doesn't impress you and the movies don't impress you. I'm getting the feeling you really have no idea what you want and you're grasping at straws.

At that point, the problem lies with you, not the franchise or it's different iterations.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Yea, I do feel TF belongs to me, because I have been a loyal supporter of it. Thats called customer loyalty of any product or service. Its the feeling that a customer has that ensures they stay with the product that is instilled by the company or organization. When the consumer, i.g. me, feels betrayed by one of their huge products, its a loss of a costumer due to this change in product image or form.


I used to think like you. Then I grew up. I'm a loyal supporter, I love TransFormers, but I don't own it. Never have. Hasbro has been loyal to their customers. Their service has been somewhat questionable, but they are loyal. I could understand your feelings if this was a several hundred dollars purchase such as a computer from a brand you love and invested in. Or a car that's been reliable for years and then they change it into a Yugo 2.0. That's not what's going on here, though. This is...

These toys have always been for children. They will always be marketed towards children. They will be changed, shaped, and adapted for children. You can either accept this and enjoy it, or not at all and be left out. The choice is your's.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.


...wait... You're holding it against the fans for being "misled"? So, they deserve to be disliked and even hated because someone fooled them? Do you have any idea how...CRUEL that sounds? In your scenario, the new fans are victims. In your scenario, you don't like the victims because they're victims and don't know it.

WTF?!?! *screams*

1.) The new fans are capable of finding other TF mythos. G1 cartoons or the DW/IDW comics, or fanfiction, etc. How dare you say they're stupid and incapable of more. You don't have that right.

2.) No one misled them. No one tricked them. It's their personal choice to stick with Bayverse or expand. If they choose not to, that's their right and there's nothing wrong with it. I like Beast Wars, even though I know it's a sequel of sorts to G1. That doesn't mean I have to like G1. Same applies to the new fans. Just because you say it as golden truth, doesn't mean it is.

All of this, plus the whole "I own it" thing further proves my point concerning this sense of entitlement everyone in the fandom has. I don't know where we got it, why we have it, or how to fix it, but it needs to go the hell away. NOW.

We are owed nothing. We are but tiny cogs in a very large machine that makes very large amounts of money. The fact that we're even recognized and catered to should be enough, but it never is.

If Hasbro ever does anything out of spite, towards us, it's well deserved and earned.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:21 am

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MINDVVIPE wrote:I just said I don't care about the money. Or even if the quality is roughed out and sub par. Atleast it might have some substance instead of a total misdirection of what the Transformers are about.


Wait...wait... How can it have quality and substance if it's "roughed out and sub par"? That makes absolutely no sense, you do see that, right? After reading that, I have no idea what you actually want. For all of my dislike for G1, even I have to say there was enough quality to it. Even it wasn't "roughed out and sub par". Well, at least not all of the time. So, obviously G1 doesn't impress you and the movies don't impress you. I'm getting the feeling you really have no idea what you want and you're grasping at straws.

At that point, the problem lies with you, not the franchise or it's different iterations.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Yea, I do feel TF belongs to me, because I have been a loyal supporter of it. Thats called customer loyalty of any product or service. Its the feeling that a customer has that ensures they stay with the product that is instilled by the company or organization. When the consumer, i.g. me, feels betrayed by one of their huge products, its a loss of a costumer due to this change in product image or form.


I used to think like you. Then I grew up. I'm a loyal supporter, I love TransFormers, but I don't own it. Never have. Hasbro has been loyal to their customers. Their service has been somewhat questionable, but they are loyal. I could understand your feelings if this was a several hundred dollars purchase such as a computer from a brand you love and invested in. Or a car that's been reliable for years and then they change it into a Yugo 2.0. That's not what's going on here, though. This is...

These toys have always been for children. They will always be marketed towards children. They will be changed, shaped, and adapted for children. You can either accept this and enjoy it, or not at all and be left out. The choice is your's.

MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like the new fans because they are being given the wrong impressions of what Transformers are, and that is a crappy movie that is all special effects and NOTHING else.


...wait... You're holding it against the fans for being "misled"? So, they deserve to be disliked and even hated because someone fooled them? Do you have any idea how...CRUEL that sounds? In your scenario, the new fans are victims. In your scenario, you don't like the victims because they're victims and don't know it.

WTF?!?! *screams*

1.) The new fans are capable of finding other TF mythos. G1 cartoons or the DW/IDW comics, or fanfiction, etc. How dare you say they're stupid and incapable of more. You don't have that right.

2.) No one misled them. No one tricked them. It's their personal choice to stick with Bayverse or expand. If they choose not to, that's their right and there's nothing wrong with it. I like Beast Wars, even though I know it's a sequel of sorts to G1. That doesn't mean I have to like G1. Same applies to the new fans. Just because you say it as golden truth, doesn't mean it is.

All of this, plus the whole "I own it" thing further proves my point concerning this sense of entitlement everyone in the fandom has. I don't know where we got it, why we have it, or how to fix it, but it needs to go the hell away. NOW.

We are owed nothing. We are but tiny cogs in a very large machine that makes very large amounts of money. The fact that we're even recognized and catered to should be enough, but it never is.

If Hasbro ever does anything out of spite, towards us, it's well deserved and earned.


You can have substance on a lowbudget. Star Wars - A new hope, compared to Star wars The Phantom menace.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Marcdachamp » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:29 am

Autobot032 wrote:I used to think like you. Then I grew up. I'm a loyal supporter, I love TransFormers, but I don't own it. Never have. Hasbro has been loyal to their customers. Their service has been somewhat questionable, but they are loyal. I could understand your feelings if this was a several hundred dollars purchase such as a computer from a brand you love and invested in. Or a car that's been reliable for years and then they change it into a Yugo 2.0. That's not what's going on here, though. This is...

These toys have always been for children. They will always be marketed towards children. They will be changed, shaped, and adapted for children. You can either accept this and enjoy it, or not at all and be left out. The choice is your's.


You hit the nail on the head. I love it when Transformers fans question Hasbro's fan loyalty. Universe Hot Shot had a license plate that said "jAAM." If that doesn't show just the tiniest fraction of their love and loyalty to the fanbase, I'm not sure what does.
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Postby Bouncy X » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:33 am

oh my, i saw someone bring up the "brothers" thing regarding Prime and Megatron.

they aren't brothers, he was just referring to him as such because they're all Transformers and "brothers in arms". i don't know why some read more into it than that but it was obvious by the tone and the delivery thats what was meant.

plus its a hollywood movie, if they really meant the two were related you better believe they'd focus on it and shove that concept so hard into the ground that by the end everyone would be related or something. lol
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby MINDVVIPE » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:33 am

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Autobot032 wrote:I used to think like you. Then I grew up. I'm a loyal supporter, I love TransFormers, but I don't own it. Never have. Hasbro has been loyal to their customers. Their service has been somewhat questionable, but they are loyal. I could understand your feelings if this was a several hundred dollars purchase such as a computer from a brand you love and invested in. Or a car that's been reliable for years and then they change it into a Yugo 2.0. That's not what's going on here, though. This is...

These toys have always been for children. They will always be marketed towards children. They will be changed, shaped, and adapted for children. You can either accept this and enjoy it, or not at all and be left out. The choice is your's.


You hit the nail on the head. I love it when Transformers fans question Hasbro's fan loyalty. Universe Hot Shot had a license plate that said "jAAM." If that doesn't show just the tiniest fraction of their love and loyalty to the fanbase, I'm not sure what does.


You also seem to think that everyone who voices their opinion is really complaining from a self-entitlement complex. Its really not. Its just being a fan, and publically stating opinion. But since you guys gota take it so seriously to hopefully end with a sense of self-rightousness... I can't help that.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Autobot032 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:35 am

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vegetacron wrote:You will find that there are generally two types of Transformer fans: Generation 1 fans and Bayformer fans.

Gen1 fans are the 30 somethings of today that grew up play with the original Tranformers back in the early to mid 80s and actually loved watching the 80s cartoons.

Bayformers are fans under 30 that either grew up in the 2000s or were teenyboppers when the first Bayformer movie came out. Bayformer fans love the Micheal Bay Transformer movies because really, that was their first exposure to intellectual property.


....could you be more wrong? I grew up in the 80's, I'm 30-something, I loved Saturday morning cartoons. Bayverse was the latest exposure to TFs for me, not the first and yet I embrace it wholly.

I know what you think of people such as myself and we'll get to that in a moment.

vegetacron wrote:Most Gen1 fans just get along and except the Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the ****** in the room that we all take pity on and graciously thank them for spending money on an IP that we grew up with. If it wasn't for them and Micheal Bay, we wouldn't have all this great Gen1 revival stuf that Hasbro keeps making.


And there it is "Bayformer fans because Bayformer fans are usually the ****** in the room"

...what kind of a person are you? I can't give you a label because it would be a punishable offense, but it's tempting. I won't give into my temptations, however. I'm just going to report you and let the higher ups handle it. They will have mercy on you, but if it was me....something this offensive would get you a permanent ban.

To any outsiders looking in, you should know we are not like this guy. We're generally warm and inviting. We hope you weren't offended.

vegetacron wrote:Bayformer fans have something to prove. They generally hate the history of Transformers and believe that the true continuity is that of what Micheal Bay and Co have produced on the silver screen. To them Micheal Bay is the god of all Transformerdom.


I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. NOTHING!

I don't hate the history. As much as I hate G1, I can also see that it laid the ground work for more. It brought us characters known and loved for over a quarter of a century. I don't deny the impact it has.

Beast Wars changed everything for me. I saw that the universe was capable of intelligent writing and new designs for the toys/characters that they hadn't tried yet. G1 was like a car stuck in first gear, Beast Wars shifted and kept it going. Bayverse simply put it into overdrive.

Michael Bay as the God of all Transformerdom? No. 1.) That sounds ridiculous. 2.) The businessmen and Marvel employees responsible for giving it life would like to have a word with you.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby YoungPrime » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:01 am

Marcdachamp wrote:
_Anshin_ wrote:Lets do everyone a favor. We know you are going to make more movies. quote]

I see this plea at least once a week on this website. You guys DO realize that a Transformers movie with no Earth and no humans would literally kill this franchise, right?

Do you honestly think your casual movie-goer wants to see that? No, they don't. They want to see high-stakes action that makes them gasp and think "Oh my God, what if that did happen here?" The second you take away that human element, we're back to praying for the next Beast Wars to pull the franchise out of the fire.

You want movie-verse prequels and sequels with no humans that take place on Cybertron? Go buy IDW's Movie Prequel and Reign of Starscream comics. They're fun, and they have a majority of robot action.

And as for Statham and Bay? Yeah, I'd be down for that. That would probably be amazing, actually. I would like to see Shia cameo, though.


@Marcdachamp, do you really believe that parents enjoyed taking their children to see dogs hump each other (repeatedly) or Devastators balls? How about the sector 7 guy Seymour in a thong, or two men in a bathroom stall? I guess during your race to deflate the opinions of other people you forgot about the effeminate Asian guy performing fellatio on a juice box straw in an elevator for no valid reason.

And as terrible as these humorless practices are you’re going to sit here with a straight face and tell people what they’re not willing to see when Transformers taking center stage with a few humans playing “supporting roles” is all most people wanted in the first place???

Do some researching before you try to deflate someones request. Those movies were horrible and the fact is most people tuned out the negative human aspects in order to enjoy the little bit a Transformer relevant parts in the movie that they could.

The first 3 minutes of DOTM was the best part with in the first hour of the film. So if you think the annoying, poorly played humans were the sole reason people went to see these films then you’re crazy…

If you like Bayformers that's fine, but don’t deflate a legitimate request or dismiss people as G1 Bay-haters as if there’s no valid reason for the criticism. Not calling out you personally but generally speaking, a Transformers film doesn’t have to be Master Piece Theater, but humans acting like Sponge Bob while taking up most of the screen time isn’t fulfilling either. Which more and more people are agreeing to.

So no more Bay..REBOOT PLEASE!
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

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YoungPrime wrote:@Marcdachamp, do you really believe that parents enjoyed taking their children to see dogs hump each other (repeatedly) or Devastators balls? How about the sector 7 guy Seymour in a thong, or two men in a bathroom stall?


Yes.

I guess during your race to deflate the opinions of other people you forgot about the effeminate Asian guy performing fellatio on a juice box straw in an elevator for no valid reason.


I don't even know WTF that is, but my parents laughed, and I repeat it every time I drink something and they don't curse me out or beat me, so it must not be too bad.

And as terrible as these humorless practices are you’re going to sit here with a straight face and tell people what they’re not willing to see when Transformers taking center stage with a few humans playing “supporting roles” is all most people wanted in the first place???


Just skip to the damn parts with the giant robots fighting. That's what I do.

Do some researching before you try to deflate someones request. Those movies were horrible and the fact is most people tuned out the negative human aspects in order to enjoy the little bit a Transformer relevant parts in the movie that they could.


That's your opinion, and you're trying to make it seem as though it's a fact. just like most people do when they put these movies down.

The first 3 minutes of DOTM was the best part with in the first hour of the film. So if you think the annoying, poorly played humans were the sole reason people went to see these films then you’re crazy…


That was 10 minutes...I would follow up with something else, but it would probably just get me in trouble.

a Transformers film doesn’t have to be Master Piece Theater, but humans acting like Sponge Bob while taking up most of the screen time isn’t fulfilling either. Which more and more people are agreeing to.

So no more Bay..REBOOT PLEASE!


What the hell would be the point of having a live action movie if the TFs are the whole movie? They might as well just make it animated. Oh wait. I do agree that the first movie was stupid on the basis that the Autobots showed up for like the last 40 minutes, and it had like 2 minutes of Decepticons before that; but ROTF and DOTM have the TFs in proabably over 80% of the scenes.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby YoungPrime » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:28 am

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YoungPrime wrote:@Marcdachamp, do you really believe that parents enjoyed taking their children to see dogs hump each other (repeatedly) or Devastators balls? How about the sector 7 guy Seymour in a thong, or two men in a bathroom stall?


Yes.

I guess during your race to deflate the opinions of other people you forgot about the effeminate Asian guy performing fellatio on a juice box straw in an elevator for no valid reason.


I don't even know WTF that is, but my parents laughed, and I repeat it every time I drink something and they don't curse me out or beat me, so it must not be too bad.

And as terrible as these humorless practices are you’re going to sit here with a straight face and tell people what they’re not willing to see when Transformers taking center stage with a few humans playing “supporting roles” is all most people wanted in the first place???


Just skip to the damn parts with the giant robots fighting. That's what I do.

Do some researching before you try to deflate someones request. Those movies were horrible and the fact is most people tuned out the negative human aspects in order to enjoy the little bit a Transformer relevant parts in the movie that they could.


That's your opinion, and you're trying to make it seem as though it's a fact. just like most people do when they put these movies down.

The first 3 minutes of DOTM was the best part with in the first hour of the film. So if you think the annoying, poorly played humans were the sole reason people went to see these films then you’re crazy…


That was 10 minutes...I would follow up with something else, but it would probably just get me in trouble.

a Transformers film doesn’t have to be Master Piece Theater, but humans acting like Sponge Bob while taking up most of the screen time isn’t fulfilling either. Which more and more people are agreeing to.

So no more Bay..REBOOT PLEASE!


What the hell would be the point of having a live action movie if the TFs are the whole movie? They might as well just make it animated. Oh wait. I do agree that the first movie was stupid on the basis that the Autobots showed up for like the last 40 minutes, and it had like 2 minutes of Decepticons before that; but ROTF and DOTM have the TFs in proabably over 80% of the scenes.



LOL I stopped taking your post serious after you ans. "Yes"

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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby GodMagnus » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:43 am

I'm going to get blasted for this and I just want everyone to know that I am not challenging your love for Transformers. If you can take time out of your day to post comments for a toy franchise then you obviously have love for it. But, If you think that a Transformers movie can't work on Cybertron because the audience won't be able to relate to it since it's not Earth, then I think you have a lack of imagination... And that's what I was originally going to say 3 hours ago before I was draged off to a meeting.

The meeting had nothing to do with me so I had nothing but time to think. I think it's more like a lack of faith in the audience. It is the job of the writers, director and actors to suspend your belief for two hours and make you relate and put you in suspense. Other movies have done it and have done it very well. The audience is here now. Everyone pretty much knows what a Transformer is. So if they wanted, they can do a balls to the wall, sci-fi/fantasy action movie showing the civil war on Cybertron and even how it began. What it really boils down to is, does Hasbro really have the faith to do something that audacious? Or just stay with the status quo and bring in the money?
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Marcdachamp » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:48 am

MINDVVIPE wrote:You also seem to think that everyone who voices their opinion is really complaining from a self-entitlement complex. Its really not. Its just being a fan, and publically stating opinion. But since you guys gota take it so seriously to hopefully end with a sense of self-rightousness... I can't help that.


You literally said that the franchise belongs to you! If that isn't self-entitlement, I don't know what is! It doesn't belong to you. It belongs to Hasbro, end of story. It's like the Star Wars fans that want Star Wars taken away from George Lucas. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet. But don't assume that you speak for anyone other than yourself when you try labeling who is and isn't a "true fan." The fact is, I love every incarnation of the Transformers and I can probably recite every line from the '86 movie. And you know what? I love the Bay films.

YoungPrime wrote:@Marcdachamp, do you really believe that parents enjoyed taking their children to see dogs hump each other (repeatedly) or Devastators balls? How about the sector 7 guy Seymour in a thong, or two men in a bathroom stall? I guess during your race to deflate the opinions of other people you forgot about the effeminate Asian guy performing fellatio on a juice box straw in an elevator for no valid reason.

And as terrible as these humorless practices are you’re going to sit here with a straight face and tell people what they’re not willing to see when Transformers taking center stage with a few humans playing “supporting roles” is all most people wanted in the first place???

Do some researching before you try to deflate someones request. Those movies were horrible and the fact is most people tuned out the negative human aspects in order to enjoy the little bit a Transformer relevant parts in the movie that they could.

The first 3 minutes of DOTM was the best part with in the first hour of the film. So if you think the annoying, poorly played humans were the sole reason people went to see these films then you’re crazy…

If you like Bayformers that's fine, but don’t deflate a legitimate request or dismiss people as G1 Bay-haters as if there’s no valid reason for the criticism. Not calling out you personally but generally speaking, a Transformers film doesn’t have to be Master Piece Theater, but humans acting like Sponge Bob while taking up most of the screen time isn’t fulfilling either. Which more and more people are agreeing to.

So no more Bay..REBOOT PLEASE!


It's okay to have a dissenting opinion about the films. No one is saying otherwise. But as soon as Vegetacron starts calling fans of those movies a "******" his arguement falls apart.

As far as what a parent wants their children to see, that's their call. But that level of humor has been in all 3 films, and, judging by the box office returns, that hasn't stopped anyone from taking anyone to see the next film in the series.

And for the last time, what I said was that a film with NO humans (which is what people on this board seem to want) would fail. Not a film with limited humans.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:57 am

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YoungPrime wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
YoungPrime wrote:@Marcdachamp, do you really believe that parents enjoyed taking their children to see dogs hump each other (repeatedly) or Devastators balls? How about the sector 7 guy Seymour in a thong, or two men in a bathroom stall?


Yes.

I guess during your race to deflate the opinions of other people you forgot about the effeminate Asian guy performing fellatio on a juice box straw in an elevator for no valid reason.


I don't even know WTF that is, but my parents laughed, and I repeat it every time I drink something and they don't curse me out or beat me, so it must not be too bad.

And as terrible as these humorless practices are you’re going to sit here with a straight face and tell people what they’re not willing to see when Transformers taking center stage with a few humans playing “supporting roles” is all most people wanted in the first place???


Just skip to the damn parts with the giant robots fighting. That's what I do.

Do some researching before you try to deflate someones request. Those movies were horrible and the fact is most people tuned out the negative human aspects in order to enjoy the little bit a Transformer relevant parts in the movie that they could.


That's your opinion, and you're trying to make it seem as though it's a fact. just like most people do when they put these movies down.

The first 3 minutes of DOTM was the best part with in the first hour of the film. So if you think the annoying, poorly played humans were the sole reason people went to see these films then you’re crazy…


That was 10 minutes...I would follow up with something else, but it would probably just get me in trouble.

a Transformers film doesn’t have to be Master Piece Theater, but humans acting like Sponge Bob while taking up most of the screen time isn’t fulfilling either. Which more and more people are agreeing to.

So no more Bay..REBOOT PLEASE!


What the hell would be the point of having a live action movie if the TFs are the whole movie? They might as well just make it animated. Oh wait. I do agree that the first movie was stupid on the basis that the Autobots showed up for like the last 40 minutes, and it had like 2 minutes of Decepticons before that; but ROTF and DOTM have the TFs in proabably over 80% of the scenes.



LOL I stopped taking your post serious after you ans. "Yes"

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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby GodMagnus » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:58 am

Marcdachamp wrote:
As far as what a parent wants their children to see, that's their call. But that level of humor has been in all 3 films, and, judging by the box office returns, that hasn't stopped anyone from taking anyone to see the next film in the series.

And for the last time, what I said was that a film with NO humans (which is what people on this board seem to want) would fail. Not a film with limited humans.


I have to agree with you there. My mom would take me to go see Friday the 13th movies. That was her call. For a movie that is also product placement for a toy, it did have some suggestive themes in it, but that's up to parents if they want to take their kid to see it and I didn't see any walk out the theater.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Marcdachamp » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:13 pm

GodMagnus wrote:I have to agree with you there. My mom would take me to go see Friday the 13th movies. That was her call. For a movie that is also product placement for a toy, it did have some suggestive themes in it, but that's up to parents if they want to take their kid to see it and I didn't see any walk out the theater.


And if some lucky young Transformers fan' Mother took him to see the Friday the 13th remake from a few years ago, he would have seen Mikaela's boyfriend get brutally murdered. :P
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby YoungPrime » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:55 pm

Marcdachamp wrote:
MINDVVIPE wrote:You also seem to think that everyone who voices their opinion is really complaining from a self-entitlement complex. Its really not. Its just being a fan, and publically stating opinion. But since you guys gota take it so seriously to hopefully end with a sense of self-rightousness... I can't help that.


You literally said that the franchise belongs to you! If that isn't self-entitlement, I don't know what is! It doesn't belong to you. It belongs to Hasbro, end of story. It's like the Star Wars fans that want Star Wars taken away from George Lucas. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet. But don't assume that you speak for anyone other than yourself when you try labeling who is and isn't a "true fan." The fact is, I love every incarnation of the Transformers and I can probably recite every line from the '86 movie. And you know what? I love the Bay films.

YoungPrime wrote:@Marcdachamp, do you really believe that parents enjoyed taking their children to see dogs hump each other (repeatedly) or Devastators balls? How about the sector 7 guy Seymour in a thong, or two men in a bathroom stall? I guess during your race to deflate the opinions of other people you forgot about the effeminate Asian guy performing fellatio on a juice box straw in an elevator for no valid reason.

And as terrible as these humorless practices are you’re going to sit here with a straight face and tell people what they’re not willing to see when Transformers taking center stage with a few humans playing “supporting roles” is all most people wanted in the first place???

Do some researching before you try to deflate someones request. Those movies were horrible and the fact is most people tuned out the negative human aspects in order to enjoy the little bit a Transformer relevant parts in the movie that they could.

The first 3 minutes of DOTM was the best part with in the first hour of the film. So if you think the annoying, poorly played humans were the sole reason people went to see these films then you’re crazy…

If you like Bayformers that's fine, but don’t deflate a legitimate request or dismiss people as G1 Bay-haters as if there’s no valid reason for the criticism. Not calling out you personally but generally speaking, a Transformers film doesn’t have to be Master Piece Theater, but humans acting like Sponge Bob while taking up most of the screen time isn’t fulfilling either. Which more and more people are agreeing to.

So no more Bay..REBOOT PLEASE!


It's okay to have a dissenting opinion about the films. No one is saying otherwise. But as soon as Vegetacron starts calling fans of those movies a "******" his arguement falls apart.

As far as what a parent wants their children to see, that's their call. But that level of humor has been in all 3 films, and, judging by the box office returns, that hasn't stopped anyone from taking anyone to see the next film in the series.

And for the last time, what I said was that a film with NO humans (which is what people on this board seem to want) would fail. Not a film with limited humans.


Either you’re missing the point or using all of your effort to ignore it in order to save face from the truth. We all know what to expect in a rated R slasher Film. But the bad toilet humor and antics used by the human characters and bots in Bayformers is in no ways necessary for cheap laughs that fall short more than not. And although most parents won’t storm out the theatre due to these displays, most people in general would agree that they could live without them.

Hell, the whole sales pitch of DOTM revolved around Bay and Co. venting on how disappointed they were with ROTF, only to do most the same things in the sequel.

So spare me of all the excuses. The fact that people still came to view the films only proves that they love the Transformers name in spite of Bays flaws. And I have no doubt in my mind that people wouldn't turn theirs noses up at a reboot from a director with at least an ounce of respect for the Transformer lore. So if you’re even half the Transformers fan you claim to be why would you deny idea of a reboot?

Many of the major Cons and bots were poorly used and killed off by Bay anyway…
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby GodMagnus » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:55 pm

And Bay isn't coming back. At least not anytime soon. If Hasbro wants to get a 4th moving on the ground running, they will have to do it without Bay. And no, I don't think money will bring him back.

Say what you want about Michael Bay, the man loves film and I get the impression from reading the various things he has said, that he wants to spread his wings and do more than just action movies. He has his own production company so he doesn't need the money from a Transformers job. He can take the time he wants, like James Cameron did, to improve his craft, and I think that's exactly what he's going to do.
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Re: Transformers 4 & 5 to Film Back to Back with Jason Statham?

Postby Marcdachamp » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:20 pm

YoungPrime wrote:Either you’re missing the point or using all of your effort to ignore it in order to save face from the truth. We all know what to expect in a rated R slasher Film. But the bad toilet humor and antics used by the human characters and bots in Bayformers is in no ways necessary for cheap laughs that fall short more than not. And although most parents won’t storm out the theatre due to these displays, most people in general would agree that they could live without them.

Hell, the whole sales pitch of DOTM revolved around Bay and Co. venting on how disappointed they were with ROTF, only to do most the same things in the sequel.

So spare me of all the excuses. The fact that people still came to view the films only proves that they love the Transformers name in spite of Bays flaws. And I have no doubt in my mind that people wouldn't turn theirs noses up at a reboot from a director with at least an ounce of respect for the Transformer lore. So if you’re even half the Transformers fan you claim to be why would you deny idea of a reboot?

Many of the major Cons and bots were poorly used and killed off by Bay anyway…


First off, I don't want a reboot because I liked the films. What bothers me is that the people who are so opposed to the movies act like the things that bothered them or irritated them must be universal truths for everyone. There's no attempt at "saving face," on my part. I don't care. These things bothered you. Hey, that's fine, I understand. But don't start assuming that everyone else must share this same opinion.

Yes, there's toilet humor. Could I live without it? Of course. But you know what? I enjoyed the movies anyway.

And I obviously know that no one went and saw the movies for the "Spongebob" humans, but you're ignoring the fact that having this grounded on Earth or partly on Earth with humans gives casual movie-goers a frame of reference. What would be the point of making a big budget "Last Stand of the Wreckers" type movie? You might as well make it an animated feature if you're going to do that.
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