RhA wrote:I'm holding out for 'Breastmaster'.
To bad there are no "Breastmasters".
RhA wrote:Why should this frighten anyone? It's not like there's never going to be another movie with a decent story again. TF just didn't really have a deep and rich story. Loads of other movies do and are still being made. It frightens me to think that there are people out there that assess intelligence as something which is based on what someone is looking at for two and a half hours. It's not like people will stop reading, learning or intelligently discuss stuff, just because they sometimes look at something stupid. I personally love it when I an sit down and do it. Puts my mind at easy for a while. Turns out Bay really appeals to that part of me.
No. A story is not always needed. You may prefer it, that's your opinion and I'm fine with that, just don't state it as either a fact or something we should all adhere to.
But why should these movies cater to just that group? Why should these films be deprived of a good story and characters in favor of explosions and fanservice? Why must those of us who actually WANT nutritional value in the movies based on the franchise we love and adore be rejected this? There's nothing wrong with implementing elegance and intelligence into films, and it only helps that these are what add to critical acclaim. The more praise a film gets, the more successful in becomes in more regards than just the box office. Why wouldn't anyone want these films to be even more recommended than they are? A good story and characters can only make these films an even greater success, and make us care about its components much more than we already do. What is so inhumanly taboo about enhancing
the quality of these movies?
Prankmeister wrote:A very good point. There's a reason why even with all of the complex, rich in detail games coming out nowadays like Skyrim and Arkham City, folks still enjoy saving the princess from the same damn giant turtle they've been saving her from for over twenty years. Movies are fully capable of being mindless fun just as games or books. Just because something is not "deep" or "intellectual" or what have you does not make it automatically bad in comparison. Not every film needs to be as detailed as The Godfather or as complicated as Inception to count as "good".
The thing about Mario is that we know those characters and can empathize with them. With these movies, however, we barely know anyone who isn't a human. These movies don't let us get to know the bots that well without us having had to read the accompanying tie-in comics (which not everyone has done). What do the movies really tell us about Ironhide, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Jolt, Arcee, and every Decepticon who isn't Megatron, Starscream, or The Fallen?
Prankmeister wrote:That being said, I count Revenge of the Fallen as "Not the worst film ever made" and thought Spider-Man 3 was really good, so to say that I have weird taste is like saying the sky is blue.
And you are one of the few people who will sincerely admit that.
Prankmeister wrote:I would also like to remind everybody that the precious "G1" that everybody sets up on such a high pedestal all the time
Prankmeister wrote:was twice the mindless toy commercial the Bayverse films ever were. At least Micheal Bay never had Seaspray hook up with a mermaid or have everybody go back in time and fight dragons or have a fricking entire planet full of opera singers.
Yep. Instead, we get fart jokes, potty humor, dog humping, robot humping, masturbation jokes, sex jokes, wrecking testicles, stereotyping, meaningless deaths, mooning, pants jokes, and more of all of the above. Real civilized stuff there.
Remind me again how this is all for children?
Prankmeister wrote:And no, the comics don't count as "G1" to me. I don't read comic books much, if at all. The Sunday Funnies is my limit. My exposure to the Transformers franchise is purely through television and film.
Tis a shame since, a lot of times, comics can do things that movies/cartoons can't do. Looking at just the G1 cartoon vs. the Marvel comics, one can see that Marvel G1 had a solid overarching story with a richer history and wider cast of characters than the cartoon had.
And I am aware of the fact that not everyone is capable of reading comics these days. It is truly a sad reality. Especially with more and more bookstores closing their doors. Kids these days just aren't reading comics as much as those from earlier years, and thus they are missing out on a lot of great (as well as poor) stuff, and don't get the full fill of some of the best TF comic stories out there. I wish they were more widely available and promoted better than how they are now, with the cartoons and movies dominating the entertainment market of the franchise.
Same goes for the Japanese cartoons. Like the comics, those get largely ignored and missed out on and, as a result, the fans continue to miss out on some good stuff.