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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby El Duque » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:45 pm

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All this really means is you'll being seeing/buying third-party items in the dealers private hotel rooms rather than the actual dealer room.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby bionic_radical » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:47 pm

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bionic_radical wrote:You should check them out, and please take your time, in hopes that we don't have to read any more of the baiting statements you provide.


Baiting? Don't push me. I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you are.

I have seen Mecha Workshop stuff and I really hope it does succeed.


You clearly have never been pushed, sir. And by categorizing a group of people you most certainly are baiting with that comment. If calling you out on that would be pushing, I don't know what to tell you. Once again, please refrain.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Burn » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:52 pm

bionic_radical wrote:You clearly have never been pushed, sir. And by categorizing a group of people you most certainly are baiting with that comment. If calling you out on that would be pushing, I don't know what to tell you. Once again, please refrain.


So now you're challenging me?

Okay. Fine. Please explain to me how I have categorised a group of people. Because I called 3rd party companies unoriginal? That's my opinion, that's how I see it. They take existing characters, existing looks, and give their spin on it. The spin is original, I'll concede that, but the look, the essence of the character, they had nothing to do with that. Unoriginal.

Or am I categorising in another way?
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Kylehudson1996 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:55 pm

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:BOOM: Im SICK & tired of ppl saying that Hasbro "can do it, they have a right" & "Their actions are justified"! You cant own/copyright a word, transform is a general idea, not something owned by 1 person. Even if it is, there are still going to be other companies that want to provide something similar! They are not trying to f*** up your company, just trying to provide a good product! Hasbro was the first & is still the biggest, but that shouldn't mean you have the right to limit or block other companies just because you feel a little threatened! (Thats a monopoly & monopolies are unconstitutional)If you cant provide a good enough product that the others can, then its your fault! And instead of attacking the other producer companies, play fairly & start making better products, u are the leading company after all it shouldn't be that hard to make something better than your lesser known counterpart(s)! Your a BIG business, a good ~90-95% of your consumer base cant access the others so you shouldn't even feel the LEAST bit threatened! You make WAY more money than any of the other companies so start using it & make better PRODUCTS!

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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby bvzxa » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:59 pm

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Burn wrote:
bionic_radical wrote:You clearly have never been pushed, sir. And by categorizing a group of people you most certainly are baiting with that comment. If calling you out on that would be pushing, I don't know what to tell you. Once again, please refrain.


So now you're challenging me?

Okay. Fine. Please explain to me how I have categorised a group of people. Because I called 3rd party companies unoriginal? That's my opinion, that's how I see it. They take existing characters, existing looks, and give their spin on it. The spin is original, I'll concede that, but the look, the essence of the character, they had nothing to do with that. Unoriginal.

Or am I categorising in another way?



You're right. Point taken. However it's opinion and many will disagree with you. But this is not the debate or issue, this is about the dealers. Get ready for a private sale folks.
Most dealers are affected by this. I know one right here where I shop at who has some 3P stuff he was gonna unload. May not hurt him since he is really a G1 collector, but the 3p stuff he bought was to sell along with his Hasbro stuff. I'm gonna ask him how he feels about the change tomorrow when I head out for a hunt.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby LiKwid » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:13 pm

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El Duque wrote:All this really means is you'll being seeing/buying third-party items in the dealers private hotel rooms rather than the actual dealer room.



Precisely..Captured prey has already stated that they will be right after the parts party (acc their facebook). Hasbro can ban them from the actual dealer floor but 3rd party stuff will be their in some way shape or form..
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Hoitytoity » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:17 pm

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I honestly can't say that I'm surprised, and frankly I think they're well within their right to do this. I can't help but wonder if some dealers are going to have some "under the table" deals. More likely though, they'll just sell things from their hotel room after hours.

Still though, there goes my plans on getting Herc and FP Insecticons next month...
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby LiKwid » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:23 pm

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Hoitytoity wrote:I honestly can't say that I'm surprised, and frankly I think they're well within their right to do this. I can't help but wonder if some dealers are going to have some "under the table" deals. More likely though, they'll just sell things from their hotel room after hours.

Still though, there goes my plans on getting Herc and FP Insecticons next month...


Trust me.. You'll be able to but them there...A ton of selling and trading goes on after the dealer floor shuts down.I know Im bringing a suitcase full of goodies :)
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Almagnus1 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:28 pm

Hasbro really needs a Transformers line aimed at the adult collector - it's the niche the 3rd Parties are filling.

Or perhaps create some way to bring the 3rd Parties into the fold and profit off of them.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Autobot032 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:29 pm

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Well, it's their right. It's their convention.

However, I don't see this as being a big hit with the fans. This is something that should've been implemented long ago. This last minute rule change crap doesn't sit well with me. Especially after everything that's gone on so far.

Not to mention the whole confiscation thing. Kick 'em out, go ahead, but forcefully taking possession of the items seems rather illegal to me.

I'd like to see how that holds up in a court of law. Plus the whole turning over to the authorities thing? Yeaah...not gonna happen.

Without incident? Heh...someone's playing Equilibrium the home game... "No. Not without incident

Before it's all said and done, watch them change it to include the "parts" parties. That should reeeeeally make the people get P.O.ed.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby GetRightRobot » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:31 pm

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LiKwid wrote:
Hoitytoity wrote:I honestly can't say that I'm surprised, and frankly I think they're well within their right to do this. I can't help but wonder if some dealers are going to have some "under the table" deals. More likely though, they'll just sell things from their hotel room after hours.

Still though, there goes my plans on getting Herc and FP Insecticons next month...


Trust me.. You'll be able to but them there...A ton of selling and trading goes on after the dealer floor shuts down.I know Im bringing a suitcase full of goodies :)


How bout hook up some of your fellow Seibertronian's? You think you can put together a list of what your bringin and what your prices are? :D

And just a general comment, PERSONALLY, I don't collect cool transforming robots. I collect TRANSFORMERS and most of my buying decisions are based on the character, not the toy. If it is a Character (or not-character) I really don't care who makes it. I want to throw 100% support to Has/Tak, but right now, they just aren't selling me. Now the new MP Sideswipe, most of the WFC, ofcourse, sold.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby BATTOUSAIXD » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:57 pm

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Almagnus1 wrote:Hasbro really needs a Transformers line aimed at the adult collector - it's the niche the 3rd Parties are filling.

Or perhaps create some way to bring the 3rd Parties into the fold and profit off of them.


Agreed. I collect sixth scale figures from companies like Sideshow Collectibles and Hot Toys, which sell very accurate representations of movie, game, and other characters, that sale for 100 to over 200 dollars, and obviously they are making enough profit to come out ahead and to continue wanting to make these collectibles, so I don't see why Hasbro wouldn't consider making more accurate and complicated transformers that adult collectors would buy, just on a smaller scale and maybe through a website. I don't want to seem like I don't appreciate the great toys they have given us, but "masterpiece" quality of some of my favorites from different universes would be something I would buy at a higher price.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Super Megatron » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:05 am

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I see this as a good thing and a bad thing. Personally, this is a wake up call for - ironically, not for the 3rd party companies, but for Hasbro/Takara themselves. 3rd party companies had been able to supply the fans and consumers with characters that were neglected by Hasbro/Takara (i.e. Springer, a combiner Bruticus, etc.) that fans WANT but not able to get for years.

Meanwhile, Hasbro/Takara churns out quadrillion versions of Optimus Primes and Megatrons while totally ignoring the other characters in the Transformers Universe. Sure, you can say that this is not true now that we've been getting the TF Classic/Universe/Generations line, but even within that line we're getting several versions of the same character.

It may be that the 3rd parties are borrowing ideas from Hasbro/Takara to create their version and interpretation of Transformers, but in a free market society, the consumer should have the right to chose where and to who they spend his money. If Hasbro/Takara continues to make garbage or continues to make and sell Debutante Power Optimus Prime and thinks that people will eat it up like it was the greatest thing in the world, then having the options provided by a 3rd party company is a GOOD thing because it gives the fan an alternative to not spend their money on garbage from a company that couldn't care less about the rich history of TFs so they can make a quick buck.

Then again, I am not going to say "boycott Hasbro" or "boycott Botcon" - that's a stupid thing to do, but at the same time, if you don't like this arrangement, then DON'T buy the official TFs or go to Botcon if you don't want to - voice your distaste with your dollars. Keep in mind, though, that you have to understand Hasbro/Takara has the right to protect their interests, no matter how petty their actions may seem.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby DevastaTTor » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:11 am

There weren't any third party items for sale at Cybertron Con last week and I didn't hear any complaints.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Burn » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:12 am

Almagnus1 wrote:Hasbro really needs a Transformers line aimed at the adult collector - it's the niche the 3rd Parties are filling.


They had a good chance to do something different with Alternators by offering up parts to help customise them.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby T-Macksimus » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:19 am

This isn't crossing the line unless Hasbro starts throwing their weight around at all the other conventions. It's a Hasbro event, they call the shots, the rules are spelled out and any of you who think the 3rd party guys aren't messing with Hasbros IP are delusional. It's ALL their stuff on a basic level, theirs and Takaras. Without their stuff as a basis there would be no need for "upgrades", "improvements" or whatever else we get from our 3rd party guys that vastly improves our collections. Don't play dumb folks, it's not very becoming. We just accept it and move on. I happen to love the 3rd party stuff myself and I would hate to see it go away, and that's not a fear of mine. It won't go away. We just won't see it at BotCon. This may be the biggest show but it's not the only show out there and Hasbro can't say sh** or confiscate anything at the other shows. BotCon is "their house" and you don't screw with someone in their own house, at least not if you have an ounce of respect or common sense which, sadly, means that a portion of our fan base is in trouble.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby CrimsonPrime » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:51 am

Damn I cant even read half the comments due to all BS saying 3rd party is better...I'm sorry but what? HasTak has produced ALOT more awesome toys than ALL 3rd party toys combine. Seriously just cause they produce some crappy toys in PRID line doesnt mean they are getting worse. Everyone have their downfall once in awhile. Oh and to those who wonder what awesome toys? Well here's some :-

MP-10 Optimus Prime
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WFC Deluxe Optimus
WFC Deluxe Megatron

I can name more but you get what I'm trying to say. Stop saying BS like "3rd party is so much better" and so on. Jesus christ without HasTak you guys wont even have those memorable 1980s toys. Oh and btw HasTak have every rights to ban 3rd party products based on TF. Stop whining about them trying to ban the 3rd party products. If it were up to me I wish ALL 3rd party toys got banned to the point selling them can get you arrested.

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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Rated X » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:08 am

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Sadly, this will be my last year at Botcon. Id rather spend extra money on aftermarket e-bay prices than on a plane ticket and hotel to see a room full of Hasbro crap. I’m sure Funpub just put the nail in their own coffin. Selling dealers tickets months ago and announcing this at the last minute is a really low blow. They should offer a full refund to any dealers who want to opt out. With a little luck, maybe a dealer will bring a lawsuit on the basis that this is “Bot”con and the contract they agreed to upon purchasing a dealers ticket did not prohibit the sale of non-Hasbro “bots”. And yes, I saw the dealer contract that stated "any item". But you would be surprised what lawyers these days can come up with. Hell, O.J. walked free !!! Any dealers on this site, I encourage you to print out the contract and have your attorney review it and expose the loop holes. Im sure theres a smoking gun in there somewhere. It would be nice to see Hasbro’s own b**ch ass legal tactics used against them. Watch how quick Hasbro backs down and flip flops faster than you can say “Texas Republican”. :BOOM:

The good news is there will be plenty of 3rd party stuff for sale in hotel rooms and parking lots after 430 PM. If you want some of that “plastic crack” then just holla at the dope man slangin on the corner. :-$

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It wont be long before a 3rd party convention comes into being. Maybe to add insult to injury they can ban the sale of Hasbro products. I know I would go. Hold it in Cancun so Hasbro cant even interfere and we can indulge in other vices too. ;)
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby combiner711 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:40 am

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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby PrfktTear » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:51 am

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I just composed a reply but it got lost. I'll just say this... its about damn time HasTak took a stance on this stuff.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Mkall » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:56 am

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Almagnus1 wrote:Hasbro really needs a Transformers line aimed at the adult collector - it's the niche the 3rd Parties are filling.


They had a good chance to do something different with Alternators by offering up parts to help customise them.

Personally I found Alternators to be too niche. I think what Hasbro could do would be to release some figures in the 40-50 dollar range of characters that would appeal ONLY to collectors, have a ton of accessories, and would fit well in our Classics line. Overlord and Star Saber for example.

Yeah, I know I'm dreaming - but whatev
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Burn » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:06 am

combiner711 wrote:HasTak needs to think a way how to keep the fans from not buying/supporting the 3rd party products; and the easiest and best solution for that is to stop making different variations of bumblebee! :BANG_HEAD: start making what fans really like! Common HasTak start reading the forum here in seibetron if you want to know what I mean! #-o #-o


It's not about what fans want, it's what makes them money.

Mkall wrote:I think what Hasbro could do would be to release some figures in the 40-50 dollar range of characters that would appeal ONLY to collectors, have a ton of accessories, and would fit well in our Classics line. Overlord and Star Saber for example.

Yeah, I know I'm dreaming - but whatev


Yeah, again, they'd be targeting a smaller market. Really Hasbro AU tried it when they imported Takara's MP-02 for Target. A few of him sold, but in the end a lot got marked down. Admittedly that was when the dollar was low and he was selling for over $100AU.

Which, knowing how Hasbro AU works, your figure of $40-$50 would still be about $100AU even with our dollar up.

In that regards, Hasbro needs to look at their pricing structure, not just what the fans want.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby Dead Metal » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:32 am

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So what?

3rd Party stuff was banned by Hasbro UK from Auto Assembly for the past 2 years, it was still sold by dealers.

Adding to that, all this means is that you won't be buying 3rd Party stuff in BotCons's dealer room, where Hasbro reigns supreme.
You'll still get it in stores and on-line stores.

Also both sides in this argument are delusional.

both, Hasbro/Tak and 3rd Party companies rip off other people's ip and designs, they both make awesome stuff and they both make shite.

I'm happy with my mixed collection of 3rd Party, Hasbro and Takara products.

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Burn wrote:Never understood why with all these 3rd party companies out there and all their rabid supporters who are so anti-Hasbro that they've never bothered to develop their own universe, their own characters, something that will set them completely apart from Hasbro and Transformers.

Oh wait, that would require originality, and it's so much easier to rip off an existing character that someone else owns.


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Also, a facebook page!!

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You should check them out, and please take your time, in hopes that we don't have to read any more of the baiting statements you provide.

Those aren't 3rd Party figures, that is an all new, original line of transforming robots, it's a new IP.
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Re: 3rd Party Ban at Botcon 2012?

Postby RhA » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:38 am

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Hilarious how people complain about prices for new and orginal characters going up in recent times (OMG I WON'T PAAAAAY MOOOORE THEN 12$ FOOOOR AAAA DELUUUUXE RIPOOOOOFFFFSS)and when a 3rd party releases something that looks like somthing you already own for 79.99$ they are your god and savior.

Ban it.
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #90 - Dark Scorponok
Twincast / Podcast #90:
"Dark Scorponok"
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Posted: Monday, April 7th, 2014