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[Hotrodimust]

But they are not bugs

Insectoid. It means "bug-like," and yeah, they do look buglike. Starscream is the biggest example, Decepticon ships in DOTM also had hulls that looked like a beetle's carapace. Their young are shown in clusters of translucent eggs on stalks, even.

and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled.

Well, sort of. They had some depths but you couldn't really see or tell what was down there.

Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

Which Cybertron? We've been over this, the design changes in every series, sometimes the design changes within the series itself, so you have to be specific. Still, out of all the designs I've seen, (And posted!) only some of them have random details that kinda-sorta look like buildings. The rest look like metal balls with random generic detailing.

Ya in the movies they do kinda look like bugs I'll give you that. And none of the cybertrons can you actually see down their but if you look at some of the drawings from Wic they do show a lot of multi layered civilization and almost every pic of cybertron has a large looking city on it and a part that looks like a hole and I said most not all. But I think the best look at the landscape would be thru the video games and it's illustrations

And I know it meant bug like lol

[SlyTF1]

Anyone else remember in ROTF when The Fallen referred to Earth as "the human hive"? Now we know, because Cybertron was a hive looking planet.

[Hotrodimust]

But they are not bugs

Insectoid. It means "bug-like," and yeah, they do look buglike. Starscream is the biggest example, Decepticon ships in DOTM also had hulls that looked like a beetle's carapace. Their young are shown in clusters of translucent eggs on stalks, even.

and other designs of cybertron were multi leveled.

Well, sort of. They had some depths but you couldn't really see or tell what was down there.

Cybertron has buildings on it like in iacon I don't see buildings in the honey comb

Which Cybertron? We've been over this, the design changes in every series, sometimes the design changes within the series itself, so you have to be specific. Still, out of all the designs I've seen, (And posted!) only some of them have random details that kinda-sorta look like buildings. The rest look like metal balls with random generic detailing.

Ya in the movies they do kinda look like bugs I'll give you that. And none of the cybertrons can you actually see down their but if you look at some of the drawings from Wfc they do show a lot of multi layered civilization and almost every pic of cybertron has a large looking city on it and a part that looks like a hole and I said most not all. But I think the best look at the landscape would be thru the video games and it's illustrations

And I know it meant bug like lol

[Capt.Failure]

I guess I forgot we were talking about the movie Cybertron. Who even cares, the movies are a joke. The only Cybertron that matters to me is the one seen in WFC, the comics, G1, pretty much anything but the movies. But ya, since they are so overly buglike in the movies, the hive can work, even though I still think it reaks of uncreativity.

Let me simplify this statement: "The only Cybertron that matters is the multitude of various redesigns from the series that I like as part of my No True Scottsman view of the series, since the parts of it I don't like aren't TRUE Transformers shows."

Pardon me while I laugh at you. True Fans are the real joke here, not the movies.

[Hotrodimust]

I guess I forgot we were talking about the movie Cybertron. Who even cares, the movies are a joke. The only Cybertron that matters to me is the one seen in WFC, the comics, G1, pretty much anything but the movies. But ya, since they are so overly buglike in the movies, the hive can work, even though I still think it reaks of uncreativity.

Let me simplify this statement: "The only Cybertron that matters is the multitude of various redesigns from the series that I like as part of my No True Scottsman view of the series, since the parts of it I don't like aren't TRUE Transformers shows."

Pardon me while I laugh at you. True Fans are the real joke here, not the movies.

That's ugly I'm a true fan I I enjoyed the movies for just the movie aspect as far as looks I can care less about the movie characters and design. I like and love the g1 comics and WFC looks oh and prime it's not bit at all. But I also don't bash everything that is not g1 comic and WFC like some of the hard core g1 fans I love everything TFs some just less than others so please don't say true fans are the real joke. It's really the people that just can't let go and move on lol

[MINDVVIPE]

Let me simplify this statement: "The only Cybertron that matters is the multitude of various redesigns from the series that I like as part of my No True Scottsman view of the series, since the parts of it I don't like aren't TRUE Transformers shows."

Pardon me while I laugh at you. True Fans are the real joke here, not the movies.

wtf are you even talking about? How can you take a simple statement and attempt to simplify it by making it more complicated? The other cybertrons haven't been a redesign, they have generally been planets that are just one big city, with large metal flatter parts, buildings, lots of highways and pathways, lights, and depths. The movie is the only one that has really dramatically changed its looks by basically uniforming all of those details into looking exactly the same, but just changing size and level. I didn't say anything about "true" transformers shows (or about being a "true" fan, these words are pointless), but just that the movies were pretty much ass overall, so its no surprise I don't like a piece of movie concept art. I had to type all that out just to explain this? Hurt. Evolve? Move on? I actually did. I watched Animated. It looked like a crap art style and a childish direction, but I gave it a chance and it was good. The movies weren't. Stop trying to make all of this into some bigger issue. Its just stuff you like or don't like. I don't like this Cybertron coz its boring and a DOWNGRADE from the good stuff already established.

Do I need to start/end every sentence with IMO just so you don't have a hissy fit?

[Shadowman]

so please don't say true fans are the real joke.

The concept of a "true fan" is a real joke. Calling oneself a "true fan" implies that you're better than other fans, or that there are people who are "false fans." It has as lot more impact here, we dealt with the term a lot around '07. "True fan" was meant as "I'm right, and if you disagree, you obviously aren't a true fan."

The other cybertrons haven't been a redesign, they have generally been planets that are just one big city, with large metal flatter parts, buildings, lots of highways and pathways, lights, and depths.

Generally, as in, not always. As in, I posted a ton of pics earlier where Cybertron doesn't always look like what you just said.

And those "buildings, highways and pathways" are just random details that only sort of look like that, like a Landscape Rorschach Test. Or else they are absolutely massive to be visible from orbit.

I don't like this Cybertron coz its boring and a DOWNGRADE from the good stuff already established.

Nothing is established. Have you been paying attention at all? Cybertron goes through radical redesigns with literally every series.

[Sabrblade]

so please don't say true fans are the real joke.

The concept of a "true fan" is a real joke. Calling oneself a "true fan" implies that you're better than other fans, or that there are people who are "false fans." It has as lot more impact here, we dealt with the term a lot around '07. "True fan" was meant as "I'm right, and if you disagree, you obviously aren't a true fan."

Basically, there is no such thing as a "true fan".

[MINDVVIPE]

I've looked at all of those pictures, its estabalished that its a world thats just one big city. Since our first look with G1 its been a city where people drive around on, fly around, go inside buildings, etc etc. The ones that really might suggest anything else is just pictures of them from far away. Any close ups are generally city structures. Sure, theres some crazy metal balls and boob structures that are part of the landscape, but that is usually just a boob you can enter since its also building.

Theres just so many holes in this Cybertron, which even conflicts with the short bit we saw in the first movie where Megatron looks over the horizon and theres towers and definitely no huge holes all over the place. But whatever, its obviously no set in stone design, but THIS design is definitely different to the majority of the older ones.

[Shadowman]

but THIS design is definitely different to the majority of the older ones.

Good! They did something new. Tons of people are saying the design is unoriginal or uncreative, but then rehashing design elements is, itself, unoriginal and uncreative.

But still, it's your opinion, and honestly I'm having a tough time arguing when that thought passes in my head.