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[Seibertron]

A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.

Whoever said anything about the molds being lost forever? You'll get the First Edition toys ... they just won't be in First Edition packaging when those molds come out at retail, kind of like how the First Edition Cliffjumper mold is being used for both Zombie versions, and the FE version of Megatron and the Starscream mold (as Skywarp) was used in the Arms Micron line. I'm sure they'll show up in some form or another in the Transformers Prime toy line at some point.

No, he means the Classics Voyager Prime mold, which was supposed to be lost forever due to mold degradation.

I misread that.

Comment still remains though ... whoever said anything about the Classics Prime mold having mold degradation? Wasn't it only used 6 times? (Classics, Ultra Magnus, SDCC, BotCon, Henkei, and transparent).

The mold started showing its age around SDCC Nemesis Prime and BotCon 2008, I read about alignment problems here and there with those two toys.

Don't have any problems with either of mine. This all sounds like fan assumptions that fans have said so many times that they consider it to be fact. Happens a lot in this fandom.

[Seibertron]

Perhaps this is the source of this rumor/assumption:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mold

Molds that seem to be on their way out include:
The Alternators Subaru Impreza mold in its various incarnations started to show major signs of deterioration with Binaltech Asterisk Alert.
The Generation 1 Combaticons.
The Generation 1 Seacons are considered by many to have been beyond this point already when the Transformers Collectors' Club released the Timelines versions.
The Generation 2 Cyberjets.
Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime.
Classics Voyager Optimus Prime.
Classics Starscream.
Movie Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee.

"Molds that seem to be on their way out include"

This appears to be the author's opinion, not a statement of fact. Molds could always be repaired, modified, fixed, etc. Wouldn't be the first time that this has happened, or that a toy seems loose, but then later something is adjustment with the mold and future uses seem better or "fixed".

[Vicalliose]

Sounds like theories, not facts. I had assumed that the "deluxe" version of Optimus Prime was used because it hadn't come out in Japan so Takara Tomy decided to use it in the "Sons of Cybertron" set and in the United line. They later released the deluxe Megatron in the United line as well so it seems only natural that the deluxe Optimus Prime was released for the same reasons that they decided to use the deluxe Megatron mold.

Not just theory in my mind. As I said, whether or not that was the reason the deluxe mold was released I could SWEAR a Hasbro rep stated the mold had suffered too much degradation to be used again, though I could easily be wrong, my memory fools me some times.

But, yes the mold was showing a good amount of age, whether officially stated or not it's not hard to come to this conclusion. Heck my Ultra Magnus is close to having his windows fall off and I had it for a shorter time than my Classics Prime, I imagine it could only get worse from there.

I cannot find any pictures of the original Wonderfest Convoy anywhere, only the KO of it. But if the KO is meant to be a close duplicate then it should actually have Autobot symbols and slightly different paint all around. Still, the plastic colors are no different. Or maybe they just fixed it...

[Dead Metal]

Thing is, we won't know how good this thing is till we have it in hand, it could end up like Henkei Thundercracker which was the last toy made from the 2.nd (the improved) Classics Starscream mold, the one that was first used for Hasbro's Classics Skywarp.

So it could very well be completely f**ked, wasn't that also the reason Takara gave why the figure was originally cancelled, due to the mold being too far deteriorated?

There also was a Henkei Convoy re-release, and a Hasbro re-release in the form of the Classics Optimus Prime/ Magnus two-pack.
Oh and Lucky Draw Convoy, but nobody knows how many of those actually exist or what the quality on them is like, due to the two different KOs that came out of it at the exact same time.


Oh and the author of the tfwiki article who put that there was me, after hearing all the complaints of SDCC and BotCon SG Prime, and well my own personal experience with SDCC Prime, which I had to take apart to cut off all the deformed plastic in the joints, well except for a few misalignments that are beyond my abilities. I put it under "seem to be on their way out" due to it being unconfirmed. That was one of the last edits I did on there before stopping with wiki work, I completely forgot about it to be honest.

[Seibertron]

Not just theory in my mind. As I said, whether or not that was the reason the deluxe mold was released I could SWEAR a Hasbro rep stated the mold had suffered too much degradation to be used again, though I could easily be wrong, my memory fools me some times.

Happy to accept any of this as fact if anyone can find via Google searches people talking about Hasbro or Takara Tomy employees stating something to this effect at some point. This isn't the first time that I've heard this, it's just no one can seem to point me in the direction of where it originally came from. I can back track via Google to find where people were complaining about minor issues with some of their toys from this mold, and people making statements that they think the mold is degrading, but from what I've been able to find no one seems to make a statement that anyone from those companies made a statement at some point. Just lots of fans turning assumptions into fan-facts.

But, yes the mold was showing a good amount of age, whether officially stated or not it's not hard to come to this conclusion. Heck my Ultra Magnus is close to having his windows fall off.

Sounds like a problem with your particular Ultra Magnus, as that was the first reuse of the mold and came out shortly after the release of Optimus, that there wouldn't have been mold degradation at that point. There are no issues with any of my versions of this toy. They all transform fine, they all line up fine, all four wheels touch the ground in vehicle mold. None of them are loose.

[kirbenvost]

A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.

Whoever said anything about the molds being lost forever? You'll get the First Edition toys ... they just won't be in First Edition packaging when those molds come out at retail, kind of like how the First Edition Cliffjumper mold is being used for both Zombie versions, and the FE version of Megatron and the Starscream mold (as Skywarp) was used in the Arms Micron line. I'm sure they'll show up in some form or another in the Transformers Prime toy line at some point.

No, he means the Classics Voyager Prime mold, which was supposed to be lost forever due to mold degradation.

I misread that.

Comment still remains though ... whoever said anything about the Classics Prime mold having mold degradation? Wasn't it only used 6 times? (Classics, Ultra Magnus, SDCC, BotCon, Henkei, and transparent).

The mold started showing its age around SDCC Nemesis Prime and BotCon 2008, I read about alignment problems here and there with those two toys.

Don't have any problems with either of mine. This all sounds like fan assumptions that fans have said so many times that they consider it to be fact. Happens a lot in this fandom.

That's what I've been thinking this entire time in regards to 'mold degradation'. They retooled the Classics seeker mold to fix problems, after all.

As for these releases, I'm never interested in transparent figures, but I've wanted that Black Convoy for a very long time. Unfortunately I no longer have the money to afford expensive Japanese exclusive figures, so I will have to admire it lovingly from afar.

[Blurrz]

Just take my money! FE Voyager OP deserves aton of accolades and turning him clear was probably guessable but still great! Now we need some clear microns....

[Seibertron]

Oh and the author of the tfwiki article who put that there was me, after hearing all the complaints of SDCC and BotCon SG Prime, and well my own personal experience with SDCC Prime, which I had to take apart to cut off all the deformed plastic in the joints, well except for a few misalignments that are beyond my abilities. I put it under "seem to be on their way out" due to it being unconfirmed. That was one of the last edits I did on there before stopping with wiki work, I completely forgot about it to be honest.

Any chance that some of the products you have or that others have were just imperfect toys? If mine and others are OK, but yours and some other people's aren't, just seems like it's too few examples and that no assumptions should be made.

It's one thing to state your opinion, but it's another thing to make statements of fact out of assumptions.

[Seibertron]

Just take my money! FE Voyager OP deserves aton of accolades and turning him clear was probably guessable but still great! Now we need some clear microns....

Do the clear Shadow Microns count?

[Dead Metal]

Just take my money! FE Voyager OP deserves aton of accolades and turning him clear was probably guessable but still great! Now we need some clear microns....

And some made of translucent sparkly pink plastic, Sparkle Sparkle Sparkle!

A few cast in G2 colour schemes, ones done up in the colours of their larger partners.

Ones done in show accurate weapon colours.

And finally G1 targetmaster colour homages.