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Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:15 am

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I used spoilers before, as the issue had not yet been made available to all timezones, to my knowledge.

I think we're safe to assume that from now on we can ignore them.
I'll ask El Duque to add [SPOILERS] to the title thread, maybe - would you all agree?
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Postby AltarofPlagues » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:17 am

I dont have the issue yet.
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:17 am

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Va'al wrote:I used spoilers before, as the issue had not yet been made available to all timezones, to my knowledge.

I think we're safe to assume that from now on we can ignore them.
I'll ask El Duque to add [SPOILERS] to the title thread, maybe - would you all agree?


yes please. It's annoying trying to type my thoughts and organize them between what's a spoiler and what's not
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:20 am

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AltarofPlagues wrote:I dont have the issue yet.


Hm. Yes. Maybe we should wait until this evening, when/if the commentary gets posted on Facebook.

Then we'll add the spoiler warning to the thread.

Sabrigami, can you wait that long? :P
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby AltarofPlagues » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:25 am

Well, im in the UK, and my copy hasnt come through the post yet. But hey, chat away, ill just hang on till I get it and stop looking at the thread lol
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby 1984forever » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:39 am

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Va'al wrote:What do you mean by 'out of character' and 'authentic', exactly? :-?

I like what Barber has been doing with the Cybertronians, making sure that binaries are (finally) blurred out - Metalhawk stands for that, and makes some really good points throughout this issue.

Okay, Starscream's back in classic form, I'm happy about that... but Barber's Dirge isn't creepy, he doesn't even qualify as a goon now. Bumblebee being led by the Autobots is something a 6 year old would come up with. Even Cybertron is out of character, it's not a machine world anymore it's a metallic Oregon! IDW is taking a crap on classic Transformers on a monthly basis and I am tired of it!
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Postby sabrigami » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:05 am

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Hm. Yes. Maybe we should wait until this evening, when/if the commentary gets posted on Facebook.

Then we'll add the spoiler warning to the thread.

Sabrigami, can you wait that long? :P


seems I have no choice ;) ty for the clarification. I always try to follow board etiquette. Doesn't help that every board is different.
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:52 am

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Va'al wrote:What do you mean by 'out of character' and 'authentic', exactly? :-?

I like what Barber has been doing with the Cybertronians, making sure that binaries are (finally) blurred out - Metalhawk stands for that, and makes some really good points throughout this issue.

Okay, Starscream's back in classic form, I'm happy about that... but Barber's Dirge isn't creepy, he doesn't even qualify as a goon now. Bumblebee being led by the Autobots is something a 6 year old would come up with. Even Cybertron is out of character, it's not a machine world anymore it's a metallic Oregon! IDW is taking a crap on classic Transformers on a monthly basis and I am tired of it!


The idea of having a reluctant leader with an inferiority complex was good, but maybe a bit dragged out, yes.

Dirge is an interesting character from the Decepticon camp showing that even within their ranks people believe change is possible, and it doesn't have to be imposed (ish). Could have been worked out better? Maybe, but I liked him!

Cybertron is supposed to be a wasteland after the events of Chaos.


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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby El Duque » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:15 am

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I added a spoiler warning to the title, I really don't see the need in using spoiler tags once the review has been posted. I mean it's a review, spoilers should be expected right?
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:21 am

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El Duque wrote:I added a spoiler warning to the title, I really don't see the need in using spoiler tags once the review has been posted. I mean it's a review, spoilers should be expected right?


I agree, but I still like avoiding divulging massive plot points before everyone has had at least a chance to read the issue. :D

That said..


Sabrigami, what was your point again?
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:33 am

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Va'al wrote:
El Duque wrote:I added a spoiler warning to the title, I really don't see the need in using spoiler tags once the review has been posted. I mean it's a review, spoilers should be expected right?


I agree, but I still like avoiding divulging massive plot points before everyone has had at least a chance to read the issue. :D



I went and removed the tags from my post to make it easier to read. Ty for the insight guys.


Va'al wrote:That said..

Sabrigami, what was your point again?


what point? did I miss something? (hmmm. this post makes me feel like Sprite for some reason...)
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Seibertron » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:53 am

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Just to be clear, Seibertron.com is not a spoiler free zone for the most part. If there's a review, the review will divulge spoilers as necessary. If you're on a fansite that likes to break news about upcoming toys, movies, comics, cartoons, video games, etc ... you should expect spoilers. I own this site, I'm surrounded by spoilers all day long, I get early access and sneak peeks into many things before they go public ... yet somehow I manage to avoid reading about things that I don't want to have spoiled (such as the comics ... I love having a physical comic book inhand, I can't stand reading comics on a computer something about it kills the flow of a book to me). Use of this site though makes encountering spoilers unavoidable. It goes with the territory of being on a fansite.

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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:54 am

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I meant what were you talking about. :P

Metalhawk - why such hate against him?
Not just here, but also on the IDW boards.
I'm actually curious, not just lamenting it!
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:02 pm

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Seibertron wrote:Just to be clear, Seibertron.com is not a spoiler free zone for the most part. If there's a review, the review will divulge spoilers as necessary. If you're on a fansite that likes to break news about upcoming toys, movies, comics, cartoons, video games, etc ... you should expect spoilers. I own this site, I'm surrounded by spoilers all day long, I get early access and sneak peeks into many things before they go public ... yet somehow I manage to avoid reading about things that I don't want to have spoiled (such as the comics ... I love having a physical comic book inhand, I can't stand reading comics on a computer something about it kills the flow of a book to me). Use of this site though makes encountering spoilers unavoidable. It goes with the territory of being on a fansite.

With that said, some spoilers we will avoid just to be fair, but that is at our own internal discretion. For example, if a major character dies in an upcoming comic, cartoon, or movie, we won't have a headline that says "[INSERT CHARACTER NAME HERE] dies in issue #20!" but that doesn't meant that it won't be discussed in the news story itself or elsewhere on the site in our forums.


Excellent, good to know. Thanks Ryan!

What I did mean about spoilers though, to make myself clear too is more about me remembering how frustrating it was for not being able to join in the discussion until I could read the issue, and missing out on a lot of posts, really.

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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Seibertron » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:02 pm

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Va'al wrote:I meant what were you talking about. :P

Metalhawk - why such hate against him?
Not just here, but also on the IDW boards.
I'm actually curious, not just lamenting it!


I'm not a fan of IDW Metalhawk either. I don't like his design (the skinny waist is really bizarre, I think "anorexia" every time I see him ... get that 'bot some more Energon goodies!). I don't like him as a Pacifist either. Masterforce Metalhawk is one of my all-time favorite characters, but I just don't care for his representation in the IDW books so far, though I will say it's much better than how Fun Pub handled him last year. :D
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Seibertron » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:05 pm

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Va'al wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Just to be clear, Seibertron.com is not a spoiler free zone for the most part. If there's a review, the review will divulge spoilers as necessary. If you're on a fansite that likes to break news about upcoming toys, movies, comics, cartoons, video games, etc ... you should expect spoilers. I own this site, I'm surrounded by spoilers all day long, I get early access and sneak peeks into many things before they go public ... yet somehow I manage to avoid reading about things that I don't want to have spoiled (such as the comics ... I love having a physical comic book inhand, I can't stand reading comics on a computer something about it kills the flow of a book to me). Use of this site though makes encountering spoilers unavoidable. It goes with the territory of being on a fansite.

With that said, some spoilers we will avoid just to be fair, but that is at our own internal discretion. For example, if a major character dies in an upcoming comic, cartoon, or movie, we won't have a headline that says "[INSERT CHARACTER NAME HERE] dies in issue #20!" but that doesn't meant that it won't be discussed in the news story itself or elsewhere on the site in our forums.


Excellent, good to know. Thanks Ryan!

What I did mean about spoilers though, to make myself clear too is more about me remembering how frustrating it was for not being able to join in the discussion until I could read the issue, and missing out on a lot of posts, really.

But I think we'll work with the fact that once the review is up, spoilers are game.


We could wait to post our reviews on Wednesday morning but I don't see the point in that when people can just join in once they've got the book themselves. This isn't like a TV episode where the majority of people watch an episode when it airs and then there's a smaller portion of people who watch it via DVR or online at a time of their own choosing (meaning that most people don't rush out at 10am on Wednesday morning to get the latest issue, with comics it is a slower trickle so based on that there really isn't a good time to post it other than to post it ASAP).
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby 1984forever » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:20 pm

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Va'al wrote:What do you mean by 'out of character' and 'authentic', exactly? :-?

I like what Barber has been doing with the Cybertronians, making sure that binaries are (finally) blurred out - Metalhawk stands for that, and makes some really good points throughout this issue.

Okay, Starscream's back in classic form, I'm happy about that... but Barber's Dirge isn't creepy, he doesn't even qualify as a goon now. Bumblebee being led by the Autobots is something a 6 year old would come up with. Even Cybertron is out of character, it's not a machine world anymore it's a metallic Oregon! IDW is taking a crap on classic Transformers on a monthly basis and I am tired of it!




I wonder if you'd be more interested in the ReGeneration One series, actually.
No. The Mars Attacks one shot has been the most authentic Transformers story I have seen from IDW so far. I really think that History will look back on the majority of the IDW stories as being some of the worst ever.
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:48 pm

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Va'al wrote:I meant what were you talking about. :P

Metalhawk - why such hate against him?
Not just here, but also on the IDW boards.
I'm actually curious, not just lamenting it!


Oooooh. okay. just wanted to make sure what you were referring to. I got kinda confused there lol.

I just don't like him. Well, to be clearer I don't like how he carries on. He talks peace and equality but judges the bots and cons more harshly than anyone else. I haven't seen many instances where he tries to understand their sides of the conflict.

He's written to be a very close minded, judgemental and self righteous individual. I have no problem with different opinions but state them kindly and with respect. Talking down and judging others is not cool. No matter how much you don't like someone, you don't have a right to judge them imo, because you haven't walked in their shoes.
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:08 pm

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84forever wrote:I really think that History will look back on the majority of the IDW stories as being some of the worst ever.


I'm pretty sure that History will have very little concern for Transformers comics in general. ;)

I still don't understand what you mean by authentic, though. :-?



Sabrigami and Seibertron:

I take both your points, and agree with the fact that Metalhawk has been written as an annoying, superiority-fuelled character. And I don't like him as in I think he's likeable, I just like that he exists in the series as a balance to the others.
I do think that he's perfectly right in judging both faction though - he has all the right to be bitter. But he could have been a little more decisive.
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Burn » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:56 pm

People upset about spoilers? Don't read this thread until you've read the book. It's what I do!

So ... Metalhawk is dead, no surprise there, kinda saw that coming.

The one thing that I don't get though, if Bumblebee is so determined to be there for Cybertron, then why not tear off his badge? Why retain it and be cast out into the wilderness? All Autobots for that matter, if they truly believed in a peaceful Cybertron, then why allow themselves to be cast out? Are their egos that inflated that they'd rather retain their precious faction than to try to unite, even if it means giving Starscream a win? Are they THAT egotistical?

I can understand the 'Cons not wanting to give it up, they want to rule, and most wouldn't want to follow Starscream. But the Autobots? No ... they just turned their back on everything they'd been fighting for.
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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:02 pm

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Burn wrote:People upset about spoilers? Don't read this thread until you've read the book. It's what I do!

So ... Metalhawk is dead, no surprise there, kinda saw that coming.

The one thing that I don't get though, if Bumblebee is so determined to be there for Cybertron, then why not tear off his badge? Why retain it and be cast out into the wilderness? All Autobots for that matter, if they truly believed in a peaceful Cybertron, then why allow themselves to be cast out? Are their egos that inflated that they'd rather retain their precious faction than to try to unite, even if it means giving Starscream a win? Are they THAT egotistical?

I can understand the 'Cons not wanting to give it up, they want to rule, and most wouldn't want to follow Starscream. But the Autobots? No ... they just turned their back on everything they'd been fighting for.


Yes, very good point. My short answer is yes.

They're also rejecting all responsibilty for what has happened. They were given a choice to stand up and face the consequences of their action or leave, and they chose the latter.

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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby Burn » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:08 pm

Admittedly it's a little unclear. Starscream gave his speech telling people to cast off their allegiances. Bumblebee speaks of the people casting them out because they chose Starscream. That COULD be read in a way that says the people voiced their opinion.

I don't think that's it however. The people chose to stand beside Starscream, and by doing so they (silently) voiced their opinion of "no factions".

So for Bumblebee to walk out, and every (well we assume every) Autobot to follow him, it's selfish, it's egotistical, it's spitting in the face of the very thing they fought for. Every war fought, every ally lost, all in the sake of bringing peace to Cybertron.

All it says is that "we want things back to the way they were when there were classes and those who became Autobots had it good, that's what we want, not peaceful co-existence where everyone is equal".

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Re: Transformers: Robots in Disguise Ongoing #16 Preview

Postby sabrigami » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:11 pm

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Burn wrote:People upset about spoilers? Don't read this thread until you've read the book. It's what I do!

So ... Metalhawk is dead, no surprise there, kinda saw that coming.

The one thing that I don't get though, if Bumblebee is so determined to be there for Cybertron, then why not tear off his badge? Why retain it and be cast out into the wilderness? All Autobots for that matter, if they truly believed in a peaceful Cybertron, then why allow themselves to be cast out? Are their egos that inflated that they'd rather retain their precious faction than to try to unite, even if it means giving Starscream a win? Are they THAT egotistical?

I can understand the 'Cons not wanting to give it up, they want to rule, and most wouldn't want to follow Starscream. But the Autobots? No ... they just turned their back on everything they'd been fighting for.


Yes, very good point. My short answer is yes.

They're also rejecting all responsibilty for what has happened. They were given a choice to stand up and face the consequences of their action or leave, and they chose the latter.

Nice show there.


hmmm. now that you point this out I can't help but agree. they kinda did bail didn't they? I guess if it was possible for them to put their pride aside they wouldn't really be in this mess though.
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Creator Commentary - Transformers: Robots in Disguise #16

Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:13 pm

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The official Transformers Facebook page has uploaded a five page commentary to today's Transformers: Robots in Disguise #16. For those of you without Facebook access, we've mirrored the interview with writer John Barber below.

TRANSFORMERS: ROBOTS IN DISGUISE #16 hits the stands today, courtesy of IDW Publishing and Hasbro! This is it—the climax of the first big ROBOTS IN DISGUISE story. The fate of Cybertron’s leadership is decided, as Bumblebee and the Autobots battle Megatron’s forces in the city of Iacon. Artist Andrew Griffith—along with inker Brian Shearer and colorist Josh Perez—pulled out all the stops on this one; and we sat down with writer John Barber to talk about this monumental issue. TF:RID #16 is available at comic book stores everywhere and at https://transformers.comixology.com/ or via the Comixology and iBooks apps on your computer or mobile device!


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PAGE 1- The might against Megatron continues with Bumblebee and his team. Considering the different factions trying to live together on their home world, was there ever a right or wrong in the decisions he took? Or was it simply that he wasn’t strong enough to hold them all together?

JOHN BARBER: That’s a good question. Bumblebee was trying to do what was right, and here—battling Megatron—it’s clear what needs to get done. But would Megatron have had support, would the Decepticon masses have followed him, had it not been for Bumblebee’s policies? He locked them up, he put in the Identification/Deterrence chips, and even once those were gone, he still clearly didn’t welcome them with open arms. I mean, Bumblebee had reason to be angry at the Decepticons, and reasons to not trust them. So maybe he never had a chance.

There isn’t really a clear-cut answer, as to whether Bee was right or wrong, and that’s one of the big themes of the series. I hope the readers will argue about it.

Was Bumblebee too weak? That’s how he sees himself, and how some of the others see him. Maybe he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, though. Could anybody have accomplished what he set out to do? Again—I don’t mean to evade the question, it’s that the question is the main thing about the series. I don’t want to cop out on anything, but the question is more interesting to me. And hey, if I had the actual answer, I should be ruling the world myself.


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PAGE 2- Megatron, Devastator and the other Decepticons pile on the pressure. You think right now Starscream is regretting the things that he has done prior to this issue, and not done what might have previously done before?

JOHN BARBER: Starscream thought he was playing everything correctly for a while—up to issue 11—then he had a crisis of… well, not “conscious," as this issue will demonstrate… but a crisis of faith in himself. I’m sure that, in his head, he’s running through every action he’s ever taken, but I don’t think he has Bumblebee’s capacity for self-reflection. He’s more likely to see any failure as a failure of circumstance, not of himself. But this was a big fall—he was about to gain control of the city, and then Megatron showed up and ruined everything, so it’s a crushing blow.

Anyway—he definitely doesn’t have Bee’s capacity for beating himself up over his decisions.Actually, his ego probably protects him a little here (like Prowl’s does).
What is why, at this point in the story, even if it doesn’t look like it, he is actively looking for any opportunity amidst all the action.


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PAGE 3- Arcee and Sideswipe do their best to carry on the fight back. With Arcee, was the plan always to make her as ambiguous as possible until she was forced into making a decision on where she truly stood?

JOHN BARBER: Yeah—Issue 18 is where we actually get into her head, and see how she thinks. She just approaches things from a way that other Cybertronians don’t. Her worldview is skewed by all the events in her life—I mean, everybody’s is; it’s just that her event are just a little more unusual.

So, yeah, she was definitely keeping quiet about what she knew, who she would side with, all that—until she had an opportunity to strike most effectively. Which, I don’t think exactly worked out—she definitely didn’t want out-of-control Prowl-Devastator running around, so it’s not like she actually succeeded in her plan. But things could have been worse.

Nevertheless, from my perspective, she’d have been better off going to Bumblebee in issue 4. But she didn’t think he’d trust her, and Bee definitely didn’t act like he was looking to trust Prowl’s secret warrior. So she didn’t think that was a legitimate possibility. And now, hey, look what all that mistrust has sown.


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PAGE 4- Ironhide and the Dinobots pile in to provide reinforcements? Considering what is happening to his friends, do you think Ironhide is certain that the visions of the future he saw are going to come true, despite the devastation around him? They seem to have been driving his recent actions.

JOHN BARBER: Ironhide has come to realize that, even if he believes what he saw, there are multiple ways of looking at “fate." He can just sit back and let the future happen, or he can take an active role. And if he takes an active role, he has to be himself. Beyond that—well, there’s more to come.


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PAGE 5- Ironhide literally tries to knock some sense into Prowl/ Devastator’s head, and Bumblebee can see the tide of battle turning. This issue marks the end of the current arc in the series. In the grand scheme of things to come, how important are the issues we’ll find within these pages?

JOHN BARBER: Very. I mean, this issue is the close of the first big RID story arc. The story of Bumblebee versus Starscream versus Metalhawk struggling for control of Iacon comes to a close this issue. And however it works out, any one of them (or none of them) “winning” control of the city will change the face of Cybertron. There’s a lot going on in this issue, a lot of stories coming to a close, and it all matters a lot.

But it’s not the end of the series, and there are still going to be big, pointed questions looming. Where’s Shockwave? Why did what happened to the Aerialbots happen—and what’s the status of them now? Not to give anything away, but how does Starscream justify his actions? What’s up with Ironhide’s vision of the future? What does Jhiaxus want with Gorlam Prime? Lots and lots of other questions…

Not everything ends here—we’re back with another issue in a few weeks—but all that comes will be built on what we’ve done here. And there will be impacts felt in our sister series, TRANSFORMERS: MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE, too. But I can’t talk about that without spoiling anything. I can say, that events from MTMTE spill into RID next issue… but if you’ve followed what MTMTE revealed about Shockwave, I don’t think that will be a surprise. Anyway—this comic, RID #16, will have repercussions in the comics—and maybe beyond—for some time to come.

But I do want to thank all the readers who’ve read this series—and read MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE, and all the other Transformers comics, too—from the beginning, or who’ve come in during the run, or who are just joining us. Thanks for being there, hope you’ve enjoyed the ride so far, and it just gets better from here on out.
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Postby Seibertron » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:17 pm

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Seibertron wrote:With that said, some spoilers we will avoid just to be fair, but that is at our own internal discretion. For example, if a major character dies in an upcoming comic, cartoon, or movie, we won't have a headline that says "[INSERT CHARACTER NAME HERE] dies in issue #20!" but that doesn't meant that it won't be discussed in the news story itself or elsewhere on the site in our forums.


Guess I need to clarify what I said above some more because I didn't know what kind of spoiler was being debated before I jumped into the conversation.

Out of courtesy for everyone else, this type of thing should be left as a surprise, at least for a week. Most plot details are fair game, but I think this should be left as a spoiler for a little while. Just have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.

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