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[Ultra Markus]

so what, then how young is too young,
it shouldn't matter parents will take them to a
movie like that if they choose

[Autobot032]

so what, then how young is too young,
it shouldn't matter parents will take them to a
movie like that if they choose

Alright, fair enough. However, there are plenty of parents out there who wouldn't take their child to see it. They know to avoid the potential problems that will arise from a viewing.

It's those smart parents that this complaint is for. The sensible ones.

[The Chopnel]

Those of you who think this group is complaining for nothing:

Would you think the same way if you were NOT a Transformers fan? I mean, while I think these things sometimes sounds ridiculous to me, it is also good to rememer that we human beings use to defend the things/TV shows/movies/etc. we personally like, even if it's irrational.

So we, as TF fans, probably aren't the most unbiased people to comment on that complaint. But if there really has been aggressive marketing towards little kids, it does sound kinda weird.

[WhiteRabbit]

Speaking objectively, I can think of all kinds of things that kids are exposed to that are of far more questionable content without having to go anywhere near a movie theatre.

If these people want to form groups to yell about movie content to either call out the film's producers or warn their like-minded ilk, fine. As long as they're not kidding themselves that most of the things they find offensive can be found in everything from nursery rhymes to the evening news to the bible. It all depends on how you look at it.

Most of the suggestive stuff in there would've flown right over their heads, not unlike the morbidity of many a nursery rhyme. "Rock-a-bye baby" has a baby falling out of a tree!

Personally, I think if they'd like to defend their children from the media-saturated world, a good start is as simple as communication. Kids are people too, and people always respond better to respect.

There's no need to dumb things down. Trust your instinct as a parent and respect your child as a person. Transformers was PG-13, and was at one point rated R. The movie was intended for an older audience, and a simple amount of research would reveal that to any parent. The rest is their responsibility, not Hollywood's, or the target audience of the film (the people who inevitably pay the price for these little "outrages").

In any case, in the Transformers movie that came out when I was a kid, Spike said "shit", and Optimus Prime died!. Also, a Junkion kissed a Dinobot.

The worst effect all that had on me was over two decades of throwing money at the franchise in question.

[Black Bumblebee]

It was not a kid's movie.

This should have been quite apparent to anyone with half a brain.

Clues to fill you in that it is not a kid's movie:

1) It is rated PG-13. Duh. Got a 2 year old? Don't take it to a movie that needs Parental Guidance for children under 13!

2) It was directed by Michael Bay. Has he ever directed episodes of Barney? No. He directs movies in which things blow up and people curse a lot while women look like eye candy.

3) It had no little kids in the cast.

4) Most every commercial for Transformers made a point of trying to show the realism of the situation and set up a scary vibe OR focus on showing the female star's stomach. Hmmm... for kids? No.

While I am in agreement that the movie did not need to be advertised during cartoons aimed at extremely young children, I am sick of groups trying to censor material that parents should easily be able to censor themselves. These are the same groups that will complain about the content in Grand Theft Auto even though the label states explicity on the cover that it is not for little children.

Put the responsibility back where it deserves to be. On the parent.

[woosh]

This alien is pure nonsense indeed.
I wonder why the kids aren't scared of venom.
Or are they?

And yes. Transformers wasn't a kids movie, just like any of the "resurrected francise" movies.

[Prankmeister]

I was going to say something, but everything that needs said has been said already, so meh. Can't say I totally disagree, the toys, esspecially things like the Legends class toys, give the distinct impression of being marketed towards smaller children, and when you're dealing with a movie that curses every few minutes and has masturbation jokes, I can see where their coming from. But in the end, I think people need to just shut up and let the parents learn for themselves that they need to monitor their children, and if their children hearing borderline f-bombs and jokes about 'Happy Time' is what it takes to whip the parents into shape, then so be it. Let it happen the hard way, God knows the world's gotten too soft.

[Sunstar]

No, it was not a kids movie. However, if I recall correctly, something was said some time ago about the marketing process for toys starts long before the end rating of the movie is finalised. I think that situation occured with the burger king toys giving kids "pester power" it's simply a case of a parent needs to stand thair ground and keep their authority over their kids.

Since I don't have a TV, I can't tell where these commercials are coming up, or were coming up. In that, I'll take your word for it.

But with the toys. I have raised a brow a few times and I am in agreement with these figures are far too difficult for a child of 5 to transform.

The Masterpiece Starscream, for instance, says for ages 5+. I don't feel that figure should be in the hands of anyone younger than 10 at the very least. It's a rather tough figure to transform, even for me and I am 32. Just move the figure the wrong way and it will break and children are not known for being gentle with toys.

As for hasbro. It's all a business opportunity. I sound like Quark, been watching DS9 lately.

Marketing is Marketing. And In the end, it is up to the parent to decide what is right for their child and what is not. It's not up to everyone else to make that decision.

[Duo Prime]

this is total BOLLOCKS!! If these un-cultured idiots can make a case against Transformers for advertising during kiddie shows, why not a case against Gieko, or Mop and Glow, or any other of the commercials that aren't for kids that come on during these kiddie shows? Perhaps (as it was stated before), those commercials were not meant for their 2 year olds or whatever(i don't know any 2 or 3 year olds that really know s**t from clay, let alone ,what the hell Transformers is). Who the hell are these martini sipping, child-neglecters trying to hurt? This "advocacy group" should be told to shut the hell up, and deal with it. Stop trying to stamp on other people's rights too see a kick-ass movie. Get a blasted hobby or somthing!!
And even besides all of that, all of my friends and family let their kids watch Transformers, and they are just fine. What is it exactly that these baffoons are trying to shield their kids from, and is it really that bad? Really..

[Ultra Markus]

so what, then how young is too young,
it shouldn't matter parents will take them to a
movie like that if they choose

Alright, fair enough. However, there are plenty of parents out there who wouldn't take their child to see it. They know to avoid the potential problems that will arise from a viewing.

It's those smart parents that this complaint is for. The sensible ones.

so your calling those parents who sit and watch these shows with their kids and teach them the difference between fact and fiction stupid for allowing them to see it.
You know if it was a rated R i could see your point but don't call parents stupid for letting their kids watch a pg-13 movie thats just ignorant .