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Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Evank_Horizon » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:36 pm

A single match by night. Who wins? (this is not a deathmatch)
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby AxiomScion » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:49 pm

If the dark knight is equipped with his standard utility belt, this fight ends 5 seconds after Bruce realizes the man without fear is blinder than his mammalian mascot. The older Bruce is, the faster he'll figure this out, but the slower (however slightly) he ultimately will be physically. Batman will be needing some icyhot after this match.

A sonic bat gadget will negate Daredevil's radar if not throw off his inner ear and thus his equilibrium. Marvel's heightened senses are notoriously easy to exploit and it's not beneath Bruce to do so...

If Bruce doesn't figure this blind fighting thing out I'm assuming it's a young, uber fit, Batman and the fight will take a little longer but Matt may actually have a chance. In fact I think, with a young (1st to 3rd year) Batman, I'ld have to lawyer up. :-B
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Binaltech Bombshell » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:51 am

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I love DD, but I give the fight to Bats. In a straight up martial arts contest Batman would have his hands full, until he figured out DD's blind. Then out come the flashbangs and anything else that can mess up DD's remaining heightened senses, giving Batman the victory.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Deadpool. » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:28 am

Batman FTW.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Gigastorm » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:32 am

well lets see DD the man who is blind but can see things.

Batman is the caped crusader, therefore batman beats DD cuz he is blind
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Evank_Horizon » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:40 am

In the dark DD might have an advantage. There is a limit to what Batman carries in his belt. If he doesn't know he'll fight DD there's not telling he'll carry the right equipment. Furthermore Batman's cape will act as a flashing light for DD making Batman an easy target. Unless there's a very loud noise, Batman won't be able to land any surprise attack on DD.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:22 am

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Evank_Horizon wrote:In the dark DD might have an advantage. There is a limit to what Batman carries in his belt. If he doesn't know he'll fight DD there's not telling he'll carry the right equipment. Furthermore Batman's cape will act as a flashing light for DD making Batman an easy target. Unless there's a very loud noise, Batman won't be able to land any surprise attack on DD.


I dont think the noise of Batmans cape will be of any help to DD.Batman carries a "white noise" devise in his belt to mask any sound he makes from Superman.If he carries that allthe time any noise he makes would be undectecible to DD's hearing

Now I'm not sure how strong DD's hearing is but I dont think it matches the hearing of Superman.

On the other hand I can imangin that DD's radar like sences might detect a area of dead noise where ever Bat's might be standing but I dont know how effective that would be in a fight.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby estrelliaes » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:09 am

they are both dark brooding heroes.

but my moneys on Daredevil cos hes got radar and dosnt rely on gadgets as much.

Batman is very cool but if he ran out of gadgets hed lose.

maybe they could out-brood each other and have a im darker than you contest.Theyre equel for personality.

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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Evank_Horizon » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:42 pm

Universal translation doesn't seem to work anymore..

Anyway. When did Superman give this gadget to Superman? (I knew I should have set specific cannons before starting this fight...)
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Venomous Prime » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:16 pm

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Evank_Horizon wrote:Universal translation doesn't seem to work anymore..

Anyway. When did Superman give this gadget to Superman? (I knew I should have set specific cannons before starting this fight...)


Superman gave his gadget to Superman :???:
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby AxiomScion » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:09 pm

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Evank_Horizon wrote:Universal translation doesn't seem to work anymore..

Anyway. When did Superman give this gadget to Superman? (I knew I should have set specific cannons before starting this fight...)


Superman gave his gadget to Superman :???:

I think Evank meant when did Superman give this gadget to batman. but this is also based on a previous miscommunication.

Sto Vo wrote:I don't think the noise of Batman's cape will be of any help to DD. Batman carries a "white noise" devise in his belt to mask any sound he makes from Superman. If he carries that all the time any noise he makes would be undetectable to DD's hearing
Sto vo did not mean bat's got the gadget from S-man but for negating S-man's super hearing with "white noise".

I think DD can hold his own if Bat's doesn't figure out how he sees.

Also, I think they would have made a better amalgamation than Darkclaw. A blind billionaire by day... turned lethal lawyer by night.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:06 pm

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AxiomScion wrote:I think Evank meant when did Superman give this gadget to batman. but this is also based on a previous miscommunication.

Sto Vo wrote:I don't think the noise of Batman's cape will be of any help to DD. Batman carries a "white noise" devise in his belt to mask any sound he makes from Superman. If he carries that all the time any noise he makes would be undetectable to DD's hearing
Sto vo did not mean bat's got the gadget from S-man but for negating S-man's super hearing with "white noise".


Correct.

Batman created the white noise devise himself to mask his heart beat and other sounds his body makes from being heard be Superman.

Now like I said he doesnt carry it all the time but it should be effective in masking his sounds from DD if he's carring it durring the fight.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby ShadowKatt » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:24 am

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Tough call, but I have to say DD. Batman does have all his gadgets and he does have significant fighting skills, but DD's sonar like purrception gives him an amazing reaction time rendering any thrown or moving object useless. I think Batman could snag him with tripwires and such, maybe using his ascention(sp?) rig to lay down a trap, but otherwise barring the use of high decibal weaponry DD comes out on top due to sheer speed, agility, and skill in melee combat.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby SSJVegeta » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:46 am

If Batman can work out DareDevil is blind and is relying on other sences, he's be able to tag him (and defeat). Other than that, DareDevil has better speed and agility than Batman and would likely defeat him.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:08 pm

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SSJVegeta wrote:If Batman can work out DareDevil is blind and is relying on other sences, he's be able to tag him (and defeat). Other than that, DareDevil has better speed and agility than Batman and would likely defeat him.


DD does not have super human speed or agility.His speed is the equal of peek human ability and so is Batmans and his agility is only just above that of peek human ability due to Proprioception which is the is the sense of the relative position of neighbouring parts of the body.

Which is the result of his better hearing and may not be usefull to him in a fight with Batman.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby AxiomScion » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:51 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
SSJVegeta wrote:If Batman can work out DareDevil is blind and is relying on other sences, he's be able to tag him (and defeat). Other than that, DareDevil has better speed and agility than Batman and would likely defeat him.


DD does not have super human speed or agility.His speed is the equal of peek human ability and so is Batman'ss and his agility is only just above that of peek human ability due to Proprioception which is the is the sense of the relative position of neighboring parts of the body.

Which is the result of his better hearing and may not be useful to him in a fight with Batman.

Again i find myself agreeing with the Klingon above me :P

The only advantage I see DD really having in a head on fight is that he could read Batman's movements easier than Batman can read his. This is strictly based on the means that DD sees his opponent. If Bats is using "white noise" I doubt DD's actual blind fighting is up to snuff.

But again in a dark semi cluttered backdrop, that neither are familiar with, DD would be my favored. A sunny roof top match would probably go to Bats though.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:27 am

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Truth be told I'm hard pressed to think of a senerio where DD could beat Bats.

In lite of the way both characters have been written in the last few years I would say the fight would go to Bats.

Simply put if what has been written is true and all things in both universe's are equal then Batman is the 2nd or 3rd best fighter in the world of DC.

I think that DD was ranked in the upper half of thetop 10 of Marvel best fighters.

If the ranking scales of both universes are the same [ and I know that a big IF ] Then DD cant match Bats.

A real good fight would be Captain America vr's Batman.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Evank_Horizon » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:45 am

:-? I have always seen Marvel as a more over the top and flashy fantasy. And DC's realm as a more close to human reality. There are some exeptions to that of course. That's why Batman being one of the best fighter in DC doesn't mean much to me. The same goes to being one of the most intelligent person of either universe. (in reference to the spidey vs. batman topic) When comparing heroes from different realms you have to compare similar situations for both. I must admit I haven't seen much more of DD than the movie and 90's spidey's episodes. I don't have much time to read comics. Neither do I have the money to follow all the series going on.

I don't think Batman's sence of balance and perception can match DD's. DD's balance and perception are more inate than Batman's. But on the other hand I don't know how both men's fighting skills and experience compare. DD has beaten very gifted and skilled martial martists.

Why the hell does DD covers his ears? Doesn't he realise it lowers his advantage? The same goes with Batman. (at a lower rate) Try trusting your ears when they're covered with rubber.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:25 pm

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Evank_Horizon wrote::-? I have always seen Marvel as a more over the top and flashy fantasy. And DC's realm as a more close to human reality.


Do you mind if I ask you how old you are????The reason I as is that all the comic book fans I have encountered over the years born in or after the 80's seem to view Dc's universe as more realality based and Marvel as flamboyante as you do.

And its very funny to me because most comic fans that were reading the early 70's and trew the 80's [myself included] believe the oppisit.

Evank_Horizon wrote:There are some exeptions to that of course. That's why Batman being one of the best fighter in DC doesn't mean much to me. The same goes to being one of the most intelligent person of either universe. (in reference to the spidey vs. batman topic) When comparing heroes from different realms you have to compare similar situations for both.


I do the same and when I try to compair characters power levels and fighting skills I try to use a slidding scale.

So in my mind if Bats ranks in at number 2 and DD at number 8 of their respective universes then Bats still outclasses DD by a considereable margin.

When trying to compair the intelligence of characters in both universes its a different thing.

While saying that Marvels smartest hero is smarter then DC's smartest hero may be true......the same can not be said about the smartest people in each universe.

Some of the smartest people in the DC universe are not heroes at all and I have seen nothing in my 30 years of comic book reading that trully suggests that the people of the DC u are inhearantly less intelligent then a Marvel counterpart.


Evank_Horizon wrote:I must admit I haven't seen much more of DD than the movie and 90's spidey's episodes. I don't have much time to read comics. Neither do I have the money to follow all the series going on.

I don't think Batman's sence of balance and perception can match DD's. DD's balance and perception are more inate than Batman's. But on the other hand I don't know how both men's fighting skills and experience compare. DD has beaten very gifted and skilled martial martists.



Batman powers of perception and sence of sence of balance are only at peak human capasity while DD's are slightly super human.

But DD's ablities are the result of cheamical mutation and are continjent on his enimiy not picking up on them.

Bat's ablities are the result of 13 years of training with every living martial arts master in the DC u as well as researching every knowen fighting skill knowen to man.Add to that almost 15 years on on the job feild work.

Toped with being one of the worlds best detectives it would be very eazy for him to notice how DD's fights and come up with a way to counter it.

Now I'm not saying that its going to be a eazy fight.....I'm just saying that Bat's would ultimatly win


Evank_Horizon wrote:Why the hell does DD covers his ears? Doesn't he realise it lowers his advantage? The same goes with Batman. (at a lower rate) Try trusting your ears when they're covered with rubber.


Why DD covers his ears has always perplexed me but I would guess its because his hearing may be too sencetive in a fight so he needs to de-fuse the sound a bit.

Bats on the other had has some inhansed sound reciverse in the ear peace of his mask.So its not a disadvantage.

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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby estrelliaes » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:10 am

People wear helmets and stuff over their ears because your enemy could try to rip them off.or hit them if they are internall.Since when did wearing a helmet or hood ever impair hearing anyway.

Would you wear a helmet that covered your head and face but not your ears?

On the fight with gadget/without gadget

If batman wears it hes a target cos hes so obviously there by his absense
Without hes visable to Daredevil cos hes a big swishing target.
so hes screwed either way.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby olokin » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:29 am

Batman wins. He is just too resourceful to be beaten by DD. With that utility belt of his, he can use a doodad to confuse DD's radar sense and his other heightened senses.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Evank_Horizon » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:24 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Evank_Horizon wrote:Why the hell does DD covers his ears? Doesn't he realise it lowers his advantage? The same goes with Batman. (at a lower rate) Try trusting your ears when they're covered with rubber.


Why DD covers his ears has always perplexed me but I would guess its because his hearing may be too sencetive in a fight so he needs to de-fuse the sound a bit.

Bats on the other had has some inhansed sound reciverse in the ear peace of his mask.So its not a disadvantage.


estrelliaes wrote:People wear helmets and stuff over their ears because your enemy could try to rip them off.or hit them if they are internall.Since when did wearing a helmet or hood ever impair hearing anyway.

Would you wear a helmet that covered your head and face but not your ears?

On the fight with gadget/without gadget

If batman wears it hes a target cos hes so obviously there by his absense
Without hes visable to Daredevil cos hes a big swishing target.
so hes screwed either way.


Bat's mask isn't realy a helmet and I doubt it is of much protection. Just look at how it hangs when it's not on his head. And it seems Robin can do very well with just a small mask around his eyes.


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Evank_Horizon wrote::-? I have always seen Marvel as a more over the top and flashy fantasy. And DC's realm as a more close to human reality.


Do you mind if I ask you how old you are????The reason I as is that all the comic book fans I have encountered over the years born in or after the 80's seem to view Dc's universe as more realality based and Marvel as flamboyante as you do.

And its very funny to me because most comic fans that were reading the early 70's and trew the 80's [myself included] believe the oppisit.


When I started to have money of my own to buy transformers it was late G1 then G2 on the shelves. And I was a teenager when Beastwars came out.



sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Evank_Horizon wrote:There are some exeptions to that of course. That's why Batman being one of the best fighter in DC doesn't mean much to me. The same goes to being one of the most intelligent person of either universe. (in reference to the spidey vs. batman topic) When comparing heroes from different realms you have to compare similar situations for both.


I do the same and when I try to compair characters power levels and fighting skills I try to use a slidding scale.

So in my mind if Bats ranks in at number 2 and DD at number 8 of their respective universes then Bats still outclasses DD by a considereable margin.

When trying to compair the intelligence of characters in both universes its a different thing.

While saying that Marvels smartest hero is smarter then DC's smartest hero may be true......the same can not be said about the smartest people in each universe.

Some of the smartest people in the DC universe are not heroes at all and I have seen nothing in my 30 years of comic book reading that trully suggests that the people of the DC u are inhearantly less intelligent then a Marvel counterpart.


Personally I think Marvel's intelligence peak is just plain ridiculous. Mr. Fantastic is a good example of that. Ridiculous. His intelligence doesn't come from any super human power. How could a person so young know so much without ending up in an asylum? Only some autists can learn so much yet it's not always clear wetter or not they understand what they learn or not.


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Evank_Horizon wrote:I must admit I haven't seen much more of DD than the movie and 90's spidey's episodes. I don't have much time to read comics. Neither do I have the money to follow all the series going on.

I don't think Batman's sence of balance and perception can match DD's. DD's balance and perception are more inate than Batman's. But on the other hand I don't know how both men's fighting skills and experience compare. DD has beaten very gifted and skilled martial martists.



Batman powers of perception and sence of sence of balance are only at peak human capasity while DD's are slightly super human.

But DD's ablities are the result of cheamical mutation and are continjent on his enimiy not picking up on them.

Bat's ablities are the result of 13 years of training with every living martial arts master in the DC u as well as researching every knowen fighting skill knowen to man.Add to that almost 15 years on on the job feild work.

Toped with being one of the worlds best detectives it would be very eazy for him to notice how DD's fights and come up with a way to counter it.

Now I'm not saying that its going to be a eazy fight.....I'm just saying that Bat's would ultimatly win

From the little I know, DD hasn't lost his time either. But I guess you're right.

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Oh I'll forgive you. To tell you the truth I didn't understand all what was said in BW when it came out because my skills in english weren't good enough back then.
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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Shadowman » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:36 am

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I think there's one thing we're all forgetting: Sense of smell!

If this is in the Batcave, Matt has a big advantage on sense of smell. If Bats just came back from a patrol, he's likely going to be really sweaty. If he's about to go out, he's probably going to have cologne on or something. That would give Matt something to lock onto.

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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby Evank_Horizon » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:46 am

Shadowman wrote:I think there's one thing we're all forgetting: Sense of smell!

If this is in the Batcave, Matt has a big advantage on sense of smell. If Bats just came back from a patrol, he's likely going to be really sweaty. If he's about to go out, he's probably going to have cologne on or something. That would give Matt something to lock onto.

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Re: Dare Devil vs Batman

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:31 pm

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Evank_Horizon wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Evank_Horizon wrote:Why the hell does DD covers his ears? Doesn't he realise it lowers his advantage? The same goes with Batman. (at a lower rate) Try trusting your ears when they're covered with rubber.


Why DD covers his ears has always perplexed me but I would guess its because his hearing may be too sencetive in a fight so he needs to de-fuse the sound a bit.

Bats on the other had has some inhansed sound reciverse in the ear peace of his mask.So its not a disadvantage.


estrelliaes wrote:People wear helmets and stuff over their ears because your enemy could try to rip them off.or hit them if they are internall.Since when did wearing a helmet or hood ever impair hearing anyway.

Would you wear a helmet that covered your head and face but not your ears?

On the fight with gadget/without gadget

If batman wears it hes a target cos hes so obviously there by his absense
Without hes visable to Daredevil cos hes a big swishing target.
so hes screwed either way.


Bat's mask isn't realy a helmet and I doubt it is of much protection. Just look at how it hangs when it's not on his head. And it seems Robin can do very well with just a small mask around his eyes.


Well according to DC it's a bullet proof helmet even if it looks like a extention of his cape.

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Do you mind if I ask you how old you are????The reason I as is that all the comic book fans I have encountered over the years born in or after the 80's seem to view Dc's universe as more realality based and Marvel as flamboyante as you do.

And its very funny to me because most comic fans that were reading the early 70's and trew the 80's [myself included] believe the oppisit.


When I started to have money of my own to buy transformers it was late G1 then G2 on the shelves. And I was a teenager when Beastwars came out.


Well that at least explains your way of viewing things to me.


Evank_Horizon wrote:Personally I think Marvel's intelligence peak is just plain ridiculous. Mr. Fantastic is a good example of that. Ridiculous. His intelligence doesn't come from any super human power. How could a person so young know so much without ending up in an asylum? Only some autists can learn so much yet it's not always clear wetter or not they understand what they learn or not.


Agreed.


Evank_Horizon wrote: From the little I know, DD hasn't lost his time either. But I guess you're right.


Thanks.

Evank_Horizon wrote:
Oh I'll forgive you. To tell you the truth I didn't understand all what was said in BW when it came out because my skills in english weren't good enough back then.


Thanks again :grin:

Shadowman wrote:I think there's one thing we're all forgetting: Sense of smell!

If this is in the Batcave, Matt has a big advantage on sense of smell. If Bats just came back from a patrol, he's likely going to be really sweaty. If he's about to go out, he's probably going to have cologne on or something. That would give Matt something to lock onto.


Actually I did think of it but thought it would be a eazy one for Bruce to overcome if he realilised that it was a factor in the battle.
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