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burning_sirius wrote:Hey Saber,
Prowl played a big roll in the marvel comics.
Sorta. Twas mostly in the UK stuff and after he came back to life via Nucleon near the comic's end. Other than that, he was kinda just like what Jazz was to Optimus in the cartoon. He had a presence, but wasn't used that much.
With that said,
burning_sirius wrote:Saber, I thought about Prowl's 'lack of accessories' but I feel as I always have felt. My earlier reply was mobile and some just quick jots. MP G1 is an homage to Diaclone. I feel they had to 'cut' Prowl for budgetary reasons (they wanted him within a certain price point) so they didn't give him his true shoulder cannons.
But that's just it, Prowl didn't have the shoulder cannons in the cartoon. For maximum show-accuracy (which the MPs strive towards), Prowl must be "shoulder cannon-less".
burning_sirius wrote:You cannot say that Prowl's sole source of popularity (or the only reason why he got a MP) was because of Post G1 comics.
Good thing I didn't. All I said was that the IDW version is the most popular version, implying that all versions of Prowl have some fondness to them, with IDW's Prowl simply having the most.
burning_sirius wrote:Why would Sideswipe, who was effectively dumped after the Furman run, chosen to get a MP.
For Sideswipe to be the MP of the 1984 Autobot Cars, many suspected it was because of his being a red car Autobot made for the best marketability. But, I know not of the actual reasoning behind it and can only guess.
burning_sirius wrote:he is 2nd in command of the Autobots
Thanks to non-cartoon sources since Jazz and Ironhide fulfilled that role more than he did in the cartoon.
burning_sirius wrote:I joked that when Takara got the licensing deal with Lamborghini, they deleted Prowl and worked on Sideswipe instantly.
burning_sirius wrote:Prowl is iconic. His face is the inspiration for the Autobot symbol. He is a classic mech design with two features that carried onto movie Bumblebee that is a hood chest and door wings.
Indeed. His design is great, but his character didn't really stand out until IDW got their hands on him. Or at least until Furman brought him back from the dead to argue and bicker with Grimlock in late Marvel G1 (long after the cartoon was over).
burning_sirius wrote:I just get annoyed with the G1 haters.
If you haven't checked it out yet, I'd recommend looking into this topic
, as it relates to such a matter as this.
burning_sirius wrote:Certainly, Energon is the worst Transformers series of all time, not the G1 cartoon.
burning_sirius wrote:Arguably RID is the final 'Braves' series and thus is the spiritual successor of Transformers Victory and depending on how much you like Victory or Braves will determine your like of RID.
I like RiD. Moreso than Victory, though.
burning_sirius wrote:Likewise, the G1 era wasn't just the cartoon but also the comic, which everyone forgets and all the cool stories from it and how people like me who treasure a lot of characters like how the comic treated (and promoted) a lot of them beyond the cartoon like with Prowl.
There's also the post-1980s G1 fiction like from Dreamwave and, of course, IDW.
burning_sirius wrote:Anyway, I guess we are just the dead horse to beat in the community. Want a take a cheap shot at any segment of the fandom? Do it to the G1 fans. Call them GEEWUNNERS. Call their posts fanboy rants. There are people who abuse this term. I am not a 'GEEWUNNER' but it is used by people who hate G1 against all people who like G1 or only like G1. Just because you only like G1 doesn't mean you are a GEEWUNNER. The rest of the fandom is immune from being prodded at in this manner (they don't get a catchy insult to apply to them). It is hard to get used because of the rich history of G1 and how it permeates every aspect of the brand. I love new stuff don't get me wrong.
I love Animated, I love Prime, I am meh about Beast Wars, and I grew up with it as a kid and everyone makes it more than what it is. But I am gradually getting used to the occasional not so subtle jabs at G1. I think Bayformer fans get more respect on here than we do, or at least people are not as malicious with it (maybe because of bitterness with another person idk). There is a difference between a good laugh and a sharp barb.
If you love anything non-G1 in addition to G1, you are no Geewunner.
A Geewunner is simply any fan who loves only G1 and despises any and all things to come after it. But seeing as you like Animated and Prime, you don't fall into that category and shouldn't be labeled with such a derogatory term.
burning_sirius wrote:I gave an example of another thing that hasn't aged well, Beast Wars. The graphics are really really dated and it hurts it. With G1 it is the plot that hasn't aged well, with Beast Wars, its the animation. Yet no one sucker punches Beast Wars for its dated graphics/animation then call their fans basically idiots for liking it. However, G1's animation has aged very well (when there isn't an animation error mind you). Its very classic. I like it.
In my case, I like Beast Wars' 90's CG animation since it has a certain charm and retro feel to it. I even like the animation much-hated Voltron: The Third Dimension
What many people who criticize the animation of fully-CG cartoons fail to realize is that they're not supposed to look like real life since they're cartoons
. Cartoons are supposed to resemble cartoons. If one wants to make something that looks like live action, then they'd just be better off making it in live action (and perhaps with CGI as an aid to the live action, rather than as its superior).