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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby MagnusPrimal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:37 am

I went to my Walmart today, and the price is $15.47 there as well.
I can't be too mad at the moment though, since I finally found Dreadwing! And since I had a $10 gift card, he only cost me about $13 after tax!
I'm very glad I was able to resist the BBTS $42 offer now!
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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby Cliff Jumper » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:19 pm

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That is what I would think too PrymeStriker. Although I read somewhere, pretty sure it was here on a different thread, that cardboard boxes and simple blister card packaging is not used anymore because they make theft much easier. I doubt that though, as I have seen many stolen toys in the new packaging.
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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby romeostarkiller » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:23 pm

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These price increases have been happening in my area as well, at the moment my locals stores only have transformers prime stock and there is no way i am going to pay AU49.99 for a Optimus or Megatron figure that looks very poorly made.

I also hate the fact how they put those 'try me out' holes in the front of the boxes, kids just come along and nearly destroy the part that is accessible which really puts a collector like me off buying them.

I generally get most of my Transformers from overseas now as even with postage its cheaper than driving to my local store.
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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby Flakmaster » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:23 pm

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Thank goodness I've given up collecting for the most part.

(Other than you, FE Optimus. You shall be mine once you are up for online ordering)
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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby It Is Him » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:24 pm

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It Is Him wrote:I know a bunch of you guys are nodding your head in agreement about psudeo-Hayek economic theory, talking about inflation and hyper inflation. Unfortunately, most of what's being said isn't true. Between 2011 and 2012, inflation has been less than the standard 3% that we've come to expect. We're far from a hyper inflation scenario - in fact, the the US dollar deflated between 2008 and 2009 during our recession. (And no, the Federal reserve isn't printing more money than it should be) Most importantly, we're forgetting other variables in the equation here.


Actually the fact that that Quantatative Easing (QE) is being and has been repeatedly used is testimony to the fact that the world is entering a hyper-inflationary period and that money is being overprinted. Furthermore the fact that consumer costs are rising (right across the board, not just with petroleum based products) is also evidence of a devalued dollar and therefore inflation.

It Is Him wrote:First, the price of raw materials have increased. As it's been said before oil in the commodities market is not only expensive, it's also unpredictable - what with all the political turmoil in the middle east.


Actually last I checked, the US, like Australia, is fairly self sufficient when it comes to oil. The reasons for the price fluctuations are that the US and Australian Governments stupidly tied their oil prices into global markets and that scale of supply and demand, rather than domestic supply and demand and regulating oil prices to that domestic market.

It Is Him wrote:Second, the US dollar has grown weaker to the Chinese Yuan. Where do our toys get made? Exactly. That means the price of labor, land and other costs are increasing when converted back into the US Dollar.


Which is actually evidence of a devalued dollar and therefore inflation. The fact is that Western countries seldom manufacture anything these days and as a result, the physical economy (our productivity and infrastructure - ie our manufacturing potential) has shrunk, reducing the value of our currencies which has been further compounded by practices such as QE.

Furthermore the big increase is that Chinese labour costs have skyrocketed with wages going up at least 30% in the past few years and I suspect the trend will only continue.

It Is Him wrote:Third, the toys that are here are selling poorly. Hasbro admitted it recently during one of their investor conferences, though it was obvious to us when DOTM Deluxe Wave 7 was cancelled here in the US. As a result, Hasbro is trying to extract more profit from those of us that are still doing well enough to afford a luxury good. When raising prices, Hasbro know they're going to price some people out, but even though they're losing customers, their expecting to make more off that consumer base. If they don't, prices may go back down. Or the deluxe class could disappear, and become something new.


Hasbro's poor market-share there is due to the fact that it's run by idiots! The fact is that the toy market has changed, with kids going to video games earlier and the toy market being more predominantly adult collector driven.

Yet in both these cases, Hasbro only has itself to blame for its poor performance. On one hand, Hasbro is trying for a quick fix on movie lines and letting the likes of the Marketing Department of Walmart call the shots, who in most cases have no clue about the toy industry and how to create and grow trends rather than simply chase them.

As the old saying goes, you get out what you put in - which is bugger all when you're chasing rather than creating trends. So as a result, they wind up trying to base a toyline designed to have at least a 12 month shelf life around a fad which may only last 3-6 months which the line is playing catchup on anyway. Smell wonder that kids smell the staleness a mile off and go to video games. For anyone saying that Action figures can't compete in that environment, I have 1 word for you - Skylanders.

Secondly, Hasbro refuse to properly cater to adult collectors in the wash of this. The Avengers toyline is a classic example of this. You can't expect to shove the first few waves of the line with upteen dozen repaints of the same few figures and then wonder why you end upwith a raft of pegwarmers. That of course leads to the part of the equation which is the fault of retailers (TRU is one retailer guilty of this) using automatic reordering systems based around average sales which can see 1 or 2 lone figures staying on the pegs for 2 weeks after the rest of the case has sold on the first day, making the wave/line look like a poor performer. Retailers need to pull their fingers out of their backsides and put them on the pulse because in this climate, they can't afford to ignore system problems that have been there for years and which they couldn't be bothered addressing.

In short, Hasbro's problem isn't the market- it's how it handles the market and recognising that it needs to be in the driver's seat - not retailers.


While I agree with you on some things, I'm going to tactfully remove myself before things get too political out of respect for the mods. Let me know when the inflation rate exceeds 200% in the United States, and maybe I'll start listening to critics of the central bank.
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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby QBKiller94 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:15 pm

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I was at my local ToysRus in Westbury, NY today. They finally had some good stuff on the shelves, but they raised their prices since I was there two weeks ago.

RID Dreadwing: $30.99 (All RID Weaponizers had this price tag.)
RID Deluxe: $17.99
MP Thundercracker: $89.99 (They had a whole box of them above the display shelf.)

I bought the Dreadwing, but later returned it after finding one at my local Wal-mart for $19.96. It scanned for $21.96, but they gave it to me for $19.96 because that's what the sign on the display said. Deluxes were scanning for $15.97.

The size of the RID Voyagers is much smaller than the old voyagers. $32 is highway robbery. Paying anything above $12 for a deluxe always feels wrong to me. I blame Hasbro for the reduced sizes and the retailers for the price above MSRP.
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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby Random » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:41 am

I saw and picked up dreadwing for 21.96 here in laurens, sc. I noticed the deluxes at a bit over 15 bucks. The same figs I got from BBTS for about 5 bucks cheaper. I thiink that 17 and some change, plus tax, is pushing it for a deluxe. Walmart and target can let stock rot on the shelf before I pay that.
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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby hook line and sinker » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:21 am

Wow...

So it really is going to be everywhere and wasn't just a hickup.

Well, this regrettably ends my interest in collecting lines outside chug, since there will basically be no way for me to afford it. I will keep my g1 esque Prid figures and sell off the rest, and unless this ends I won't be dipping into new lines anymore.
This is one certain way to kill a brand, since a lot of us wont be willing to bow to scalper level prices on shelves anymore than we will online, and now these things are barely going to move off the pegs, which will be the final nail in the already terrible distribution debacle.
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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby hook line and sinker » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:21 am

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Re: Wal Mart Price Hike, more than target now

Postby wolverinetodd » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:54 pm

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QBKiller94 wrote:I bought the Dreadwing, but later returned it after finding one at my local Wal-mart for $19.96. It scanned for $21.96, but they gave it to me for $19.96 because that's what the sign on the display said. Deluxes were scanning for $15.97.


My local Wal-Mart finally got in a case of Voyagers that had one Dreadwing, but since I already had him on order from www.hasbrotoyshop.com, I left it on the shelf.

Apparently the Prime line Voyagers have gone up a bit in price at Wal-Mart from $19.96 to $21.96, but thankfully I've noticed the shelf price has gone unchanged by the employees. I recently bought a second Bulkhead (to be painted up as a Generations Trailbreaker) and it rang up $21.96. I disputed the price as it was still listed as $19.96 on the shelf. Fortunately for me (though sadly when you look at as a whole), I got it for $19.96 based on my word alone since they've cut back on employees, there wasn't anyone to double-check the shelf price.

At another Wal-Mart I was able to find and purchase a Prime Vehicon, but it wasn't on file when the cashier scanned it at the register. My honesty kicked in and I informed her it was priced on the peg for $15.47. Once again the cashier went on my word because they don't have the employees they used to have to do a price check, let alone enough employees to make sure that everything that comes in through the back is in the system and scannable.

Funny, I brought it up about this price hike a few weeks back on Deluxe figures and especially Star Wars action figures selling at $10 a pop. I guess it just hadn't hit everywhere and affected everyone yet enough to earn a forum discussion until now.
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